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LemonyTicket · 2023-09-26T23:42:33+00:00

I can't stand Tories. The current Tories are the worst But I still intensely dislike Keir Starmer and will probably vote Green. I find him phony, with no vision, like a terrible 6th form prefect. And to be honest his whole front bench are dreadful. Wes Streeting nauseates me. Is it just me?

beAsensible1 · 27/09/2023 07:50

CurlewKate · 27/09/2023 04:36

What is it about the genuinely working class gay Wes Streeting that nauseates you?

Lol. Wes streeting is an opportunistic weasel who is taking money from so many private healthcare groups to portion of our healthcare system To the lowest bidder

NowWhattt · 27/09/2023 07:51

BeenThereDoneThat101 · 27/09/2023 04:38

There isn’t a leader among them. The only thing that labour have going for them is that they’re not the tories, and that’s really not enough.

I also think we need to be careful what we wish for. I have never and will never vote Tory, but labour are already hinting at cutting disability benefits further, labour are the creators and supporters of the ULEZ in the south east, which incidentally has nothing to do with the environment and everything to do with making money.

They are very vague about any other policies, so we have no idea what they’re about to throw into the mix.

The reality is that in order to be in politics you have to lack integrity. And anyone who doesn’t just won’t make it.

Great post

TodayInahurry · 27/09/2023 07:52

Starmer is totally untrustworthy, he changes his mind more often than he changes his underpants. It was a mistake to grovel to multimillionaire Blair who sent our troops to US wars to get killed and maimed. My MP is useless so I am not sure if I will vote

Clafoutie · 27/09/2023 07:52

Lastchancechica · 27/09/2023 07:34

It’s not about personality politics, it really isn’t.

We want a strong, decisive leader with gravitas that is in touch with everyone in the country. Someone with a good moral code, that represents the WHOLE of the country not just the men!

Its not much to ask for it?

Starmer is NONE of those things.
He thinks women have penises, that is where we truly are. It beggars belief.

But then, in the system we have, (no proportional representation), it comes down to, what do you do?

Stay at home and not vote = potential vote for Tories
Vote for another party = potential vote for Tories.

For me, a vote or even potential vote for more of the sheer cruelty, not to mention self-serving, unbelievably incompetent ‘policies’ of the current ‘government’ is a risk too far, and would seriously damage people’s lives in ways beyond the gender debates.

Bingbangbongbash · 27/09/2023 07:53

Lastchancechica · 27/09/2023 07:47

Women’s rights and identity is ‘minor’ rubbish to be picked over….and you wonder why Labour have a problem??

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And just what have the Tories done for women?

improved maternal healthcare? NO
better, cheaper childcare? NO
better education? NO
invested in school infrastructure? NO
tackled gender pay gap? NO
reduced VAWG? NO
improved conviction rates / prosecution times for SA/rape? NO
voted for Labour’s amendment to make misogyny a hate crime? NO

as in my PP, Tories know the definition of a woman - but only so they can fuck us over properly.

Also, Labour have pledged to protect single sex spaces.

Lastchancechica · 27/09/2023 07:53

Upsizer · 27/09/2023 07:49

I’m not silent on those issues but they are actually nothing to do with government and all to do with service providers and local policies, including NHS hospital trusts and sporting bodies. I know this as I’ve worked writing them.

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You are silent!!!

You are now deflecting responsibility. Nothing to do with councils and policy writing elsewhere. The laws especially around gender etc are made by the government.

Starmer can’t even identify a woman so how on gods holy earth can we expect him to represent 51% of us????

He can’t. He is fully locked in to the trans movement lock, stock and barrel.

MichelleScarn · 27/09/2023 07:55

budgetingnovice1993 · 27/09/2023 05:30

It's not a fear of trans women . It's a fear that a potential leader doesn't understand basic biology. Only guys have Ys. Pretty simply - XX woman, XY male!

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Yes to @budgetingnovice1993 @Justifiedcheese you're not bothered about throwing the entire female population under the bus? It only matters when the under the bus people are male?

PurpleMonkeys · 27/09/2023 07:55

Mumof118 · 27/09/2023 07:03

I loathe the Conservative Party. They are self serving.

I equally loathe the Labour Party.

There’s no way I’d vote Lib Dem’s or Green.

No idea what I’m going to do.

I see you've joined me on the HMS Politically Homeless. It's not the nicest boat, bit leaky, but here we are.

Tories - well, they've not done much good in their 13 year.

Labour - will screw women over at the first chance they get. They'll prioritise men first - then men that think they're not men - then men that think their kids - then men that think their dogs -then men that think they're sheep - then men that think they're from the planet Xanthor9 - then men that give them money...
Their list of priorities has 1000 entries.. unfortunately, human females of any age, aren't on it.

Greens - They had the whole Channellor issue....which makes supporting them very creepy and questionable. Plus, they also prioritise males in cheap wigs and bad shoes over women and girls.

Lib Dems - they're the joke party. With the worst of every other party and led by the weakest political leader since Mf Feeble led the Wibble Jelly Party in 1812.

PermanentTemporary · 27/09/2023 07:56

I choose to prioritise. Everyone, male and female, is at risk from public buildings collapsing on them due to lack of planned maintenance and replacement. The school rebuilding programme was literally the first thing that Cameron and Osborne cancelled on arriving in office. It was a highly dysfunctional programme that desperately needed sorting out, but it was allocated funding, and they just killed it instead. They cut local authority funding by 40%. Forty fucking per cent. Once again we've got a country full of shiny enormous new cars stuck in roadwork traffic jams on roads that are falling to pieces. Private affluence for some, public squalor for all of us.

I believe we need a government that engages with the stuff that needs doing and paying for with taxes. Beyond that, it's up to us to campaign for the individual policies that matter to us, whoever is in power.

EasternStandard · 27/09/2023 07:57

Bingbangbongbash · 27/09/2023 07:53

And just what have the Tories done for women?

improved maternal healthcare? NO
better, cheaper childcare? NO
better education? NO
invested in school infrastructure? NO
tackled gender pay gap? NO
reduced VAWG? NO
improved conviction rates / prosecution times for SA/rape? NO
voted for Labour’s amendment to make misogyny a hate crime? NO

as in my PP, Tories know the definition of a woman - but only so they can fuck us over properly.

Also, Labour have pledged to protect single sex spaces.

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Also, Labour have pledged to protect single sex spaces.

How will they do that? When a male has a legal female sex certificate

DixieLandReject · 27/09/2023 07:57

pinotnow · 27/09/2023 06:21

The right are desperate for him to 'restart the Brexit wars,' which he absolutely hasn't, thus denying them of a fight they'd love to have but also disappointing a lot of his natural supporters. That's the shit position he's been put in by circumstances derived from his own party as well as from his opposition. The fact that he has done so admirably well to tread that fine line has led to people saying they don't trust him, but he's doing what he needs to do to get elected, which is the main job of loto, so good for him I say. I think he's been pretty ruthless while also coming across to some as weak and boring, which I think he definitely isn't. It amuses me and I like him. And Wes Streeting is great too. What on earth is nauseating about him?

I'm so disappointed when I read a lot of comments on this thread. Then I see this.... absolutely how I see it.

EasternStandard · 27/09/2023 07:58

beAsensible1 · 27/09/2023 07:50

Lol. Wes streeting is an opportunistic weasel who is taking money from so many private healthcare groups to portion of our healthcare system To the lowest bidder

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Ha at the addition of gay in the pp you replied to

I didn’t even know

Bingbangbongbash · 27/09/2023 07:59

EasternStandard · 27/09/2023 07:57

Also, Labour have pledged to protect single sex spaces.

How will they do that? When a male has a legal female sex certificate

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they will base it on biological sex, of course.

what about the rest of my post?

You happy to accept this treatment for another 5 years?

anotherside · 27/09/2023 07:59

Lastchancechica · 27/09/2023 07:50

Chaotic evils. It’s this kind of extreme leftie behaviour that is so off putting.

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Not sure your commies in the cupboards scare tactics is going to work this time on a government/PM in waiting that would clearly be to the right of John Major’s government. Nice try tho 😂

fevertotell · 27/09/2023 07:59

SummerWhisper · 27/09/2023 04:34

He's not a decent man, he's a liar and a bully. He has broken the pledges on which he was elected as leader; he rules the Labour Party with tyranny, treating decent socialist members with contempt, in the main not allowing socialists to be re-elected because he wants to replicate the Tory Party. About 200,000 members have left or been expelled, plenty on spurious grounds.

He is a hypocrite, pretending to be working class when his policies will make poor people and families poorer or no better off.

He treats his own party members with contempt - this is how he will treat the general public.

He is vain and arrogant; a Boris Johnson without the buffoonery.

I completely agree. I left the party after the way he treated Raynor, initially.

I was heavily involved at local level as well. I feel like the Labour Party do not speak for the people they purport to represent.

The whole picket line stand off was also diabolical.

I'm partyless.

Lastchancechica · 27/09/2023 08:00

DixieLandReject · 27/09/2023 07:57

I'm so disappointed when I read a lot of comments on this thread. Then I see this.... absolutely how I see it.

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No one forced Starmer to announce he would join a failing EU initiative to receive more migrants!!

What are we supposed to think?
I, for one have had a guts full of brexi!

Upsideclown · 27/09/2023 08:01

It's very short sighted to vote for a leader rather than a party. Leaders change.

I am staunchly left wing and currently don't have a party, as a Keir Labour party doesn't represent my views. However, I'd very voting for them in a GE so as not to split the opposing vote. Only way to get the tories out in our stupid 2 horse system

anotherside · 27/09/2023 08:02

He can’t. He is fully locked in to the trans movement lock, stock and barrel

“A woman is an adult female” - Keir Starmer
The destructive Tory enablers clearly have a reading problem.

SpidersAreShitheads · 27/09/2023 08:03

Clafoutie · 27/09/2023 07:52

But then, in the system we have, (no proportional representation), it comes down to, what do you do?

Stay at home and not vote = potential vote for Tories
Vote for another party = potential vote for Tories.

For me, a vote or even potential vote for more of the sheer cruelty, not to mention self-serving, unbelievably incompetent ‘policies’ of the current ‘government’ is a risk too far, and would seriously damage people’s lives in ways beyond the gender debates.

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While I do agree with a lot of what you're saying, I think the very big problem is that people can't see the potential damage of the so-called "gender wars".

It's erasure of women in plain sight and it's already happening, although thankfully there's started to become some push-back.

It will affect women and girls in very real ways, with not just erasure of our voices, but also our safety put at risk - as we've already seen. If it's allowed to continue many more of our women and girls will be at risk because we've seen how quickly this ideology is taking hold. We already have women who have been raped told to "reframe their trauma" and accept male-bodied counsellors. We've seen male-bodied individuals sporting big erections wandering around communal areas in domestic shelters. We've seen women in hospitals and prisons sexually assaulted and raped. We've seen young girls sexually assaulted in bathrooms and toilets.

The issue of women's rights vs trans rights is huge, and it's far-reaching.

The trouble is that the Tories have been so utterly horrific, there are many other issues which are also impossible to ignore. And that's the problem that many women are facing. We ignore the gender war at our peril. We're the ones who will face the consequences - and we'll never be able to turn the clock back. But equally, there are many other problems which can't be ignored. So what the actual hell do we do?!

I'm still hoping Labour will clarify things further and become electable before we reach voting.

EasternStandard · 27/09/2023 08:04

anotherside · 27/09/2023 08:02

He can’t. He is fully locked in to the trans movement lock, stock and barrel

“A woman is an adult female” - Keir Starmer
The destructive Tory enablers clearly have a reading problem.

He got there eventually

How will he provide single sex spaces?

SpidersAreShitheads · 27/09/2023 08:05

anotherside · 27/09/2023 08:02

He can’t. He is fully locked in to the trans movement lock, stock and barrel

“A woman is an adult female” - Keir Starmer
The destructive Tory enablers clearly have a reading problem.

But he's also still saying that some women can have penises. Which they can't. Trans women can have penises. Women do not have penises.

It's just so bloody frustrating. He doesn't believe this shit but he's trying so hard to pacify everyone - which is impossible.

And I promise you, I am absolutely not a Tory, nor do I want to passively aid them back into power. I really want Labour to come through on this, and I'm still hoping they might.

curtaintwitcher78 · 27/09/2023 08:05

LemonyTicket · 27/09/2023 02:50

Alternative suggestions for prime minister:

Kathy Burke
My ex boss
Bernie Sanders (not allowed sadly)
Any of the guys from Queer eye (see above)
Lord Grantham (fictional admittedly)
Danny Dyer
Ian McKellen
Marcus Rashford
The fit one from Duran Duran
Rachel Weiss

I could go on all day....

Only if you mean John Taylor. He is the fit one.

anotherside · 27/09/2023 08:05

TodayInahurry · 27/09/2023 07:52

Starmer is totally untrustworthy, he changes his mind more often than he changes his underpants. It was a mistake to grovel to multimillionaire Blair who sent our troops to US wars to get killed and maimed. My MP is useless so I am not sure if I will vote

Starmer opposed the Iraq War, unlike the vast majority of the Tory Party, the majority of the Labour Party and the majority of the general public at the time. Of all the things to have a dig at Starmer for that has to be one of the moat stupid.

Article dated 2003

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2003/mar/17/foreignpolicy.iraq1

Keir Starmer: Sorry, Mr Blair, but 1441 does not authorise force

Keir Starmer: The attorney general has a tricky task in defending the legal basis for war.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2003/mar/17/foreignpolicy.iraq1

Bingbangbongbash · 27/09/2023 08:06

SpidersAreShitheads · 27/09/2023 08:03

While I do agree with a lot of what you're saying, I think the very big problem is that people can't see the potential damage of the so-called "gender wars".

It's erasure of women in plain sight and it's already happening, although thankfully there's started to become some push-back.

It will affect women and girls in very real ways, with not just erasure of our voices, but also our safety put at risk - as we've already seen. If it's allowed to continue many more of our women and girls will be at risk because we've seen how quickly this ideology is taking hold. We already have women who have been raped told to "reframe their trauma" and accept male-bodied counsellors. We've seen male-bodied individuals sporting big erections wandering around communal areas in domestic shelters. We've seen women in hospitals and prisons sexually assaulted and raped. We've seen young girls sexually assaulted in bathrooms and toilets.

The issue of women's rights vs trans rights is huge, and it's far-reaching.

The trouble is that the Tories have been so utterly horrific, there are many other issues which are also impossible to ignore. And that's the problem that many women are facing. We ignore the gender war at our peril. We're the ones who will face the consequences - and we'll never be able to turn the clock back. But equally, there are many other problems which can't be ignored. So what the actual hell do we do?!

I'm still hoping Labour will clarify things further and become electable before we reach voting.

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But this is a choice been a potential harm (your, IMO unfounded, fear over Labour trans policy) and an actual harm (the systematic fucking over of women by the extant government of Tories)

THE TORIES VOTED AGAINST A LABOUR AMENDMENT TO MAKE MISOGYNY A HATE CRIME. if that’s not showing their true colours when it comes to protecting women, I don’t know what is.

EasternStandard · 27/09/2023 08:06

Lastchancechica · 27/09/2023 08:00

No one forced Starmer to announce he would join a failing EU initiative to receive more migrants!!

What are we supposed to think?
I, for one have had a guts full of brexi!

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This poor me they made me say it schtick is old already

He’s all over the shop with redo Brexit, no don’t, we want returns, no we don’t

Infuriating. Just say what you’ll do