To intensely dislike Keir Starmer

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I can't stand Tories.
The current Tories are the worst

But I still intensely dislike Keir Starmer and will probably vote Green.

I find him phony, with no vision, like a terrible 6th form prefect. And to be honest his whole front bench are dreadful. Wes Streeting nauseates me.

Is it just me?

I see you are right. It did seem ridiculous given the cost of living crisis to go ahead with this idea, for no other reason than mathematically where do you put all of the children when independent schools close? It will cost the government a fortune in funding places for them, and we don’t have the space in state schools.

That said, this is going to go down very badly with labour supporters who are chomping at the bit to bring this country to its knees. Where it should be in their view.
I would have thought he would have waited though…. Another u turn looks so bad. So far Starmer has confirmed this:

1. Starm is going into partnership with the EU to ‘share the migrant load’ and accept even more migrants ( despite us having literally nowhere to put them as it is) and they are still arriving by the thousands every week, which won’t change.

He will build over green belt to accommodate new arrivals and create housing stock. This has rightly enraged those in his party that care about wildlife and green space.

2. Starm will try and reopen the brexit deal, therefore sparking brand new brexit wars for another 5 years 😱 yay because that’s such a priority.

3. Starm has just confirmed another u turn on private school VAT

That’s it folks so far, that’s what you can expect when you vote for Starmer. No sign of free dentists and X-rays!

I am genuinely sitting here wondering if Starm is quite deliberately trying to lose. In the last week alone he has just managed to alienate his core vote and the millions of red/blue wall brexiteers that he needs to win. Sunak hasn’t even needed to utter a single word this last week or two - just watching Starms immolation.

Links to above

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-66942985.amp

https://news.sky.com/story/amp/labour-will-build-on-green-belt-to-boost-housing-starmer-says-12882668

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2023/09/13/labour-keir-starmer-accept-migrants-eu-deal-small-boats/

https://www.cityam.com/labour-need-to-find-incentive-for-eu-to-reopen-brexit-deal-expert-warns/

https://amp.theguardian.com/politics/2023/sep/19/keir-starmer-europe-talk-new-brexit-deal-labour-leader-emmanuel-macron-eu

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I've seen what happens to the rights of women and girls in countries where the leaders deny basic biology. Consequently, I can't vote for Starmer's party.

And no, male-bodied people don't have a 'right' to access women's single-sex spaces and single-sex sports just because they 'identify' as women. Not one of them can even explain what they mean when they say they 'feel like' a women. Women are not, and never have been oppressed because of a nebulous feeling of 'gender'. Women in Afghanistan are not losing rights to their freedom and education because they feel girly.

Someone who is so scared of basic biology that he stated 'it should not be said' that only women have a cervix, and who believes 1 in 1000 women have a penis has no right being anywhere near the levers of power.

Infuriating, as the Tories are a disaster for the environment and so many other things.

@Lastchancechica they still intend to charge VAT so that bit hasn't changed

They are preparing the ground to water it all down to nothing - re private schools

How do you know this?

It’s pretty obvious isn’t it!

In order to win a majority Labour need to appeal to more than just one socio economic group, and demonising private schools and everyone that works and uses them is not a smart move.

Because it’s quite clearly completely unworkable 🤷🏻‍♀️. It also assumes it can just be done via a ‘budget’ but I doubt changing how charities work can really be done without legislation. How do you define what a ‘private school’ is for example? Academies are also private schools aren’t they?

It would be far more sensible to actually force private schools to be more charitable and provide more support to state schools. If it’s really about improving state education rather than jealousy and levelling down.

@Teateaandmoretea "It would be far more sensible to actually force private schools to be more charitable and provide more support to state schools."

What sort of things do you suggest? Remember that they have to add £1.7of value....

Oops! £1.7bn, of course!

Rubbish. There's lots of data publicly available. Some MPs are also privvy to unreleased data by their work on select committees, working with civil servants as shadows, etc., and I'm pretty sure that even more non-public data becomes available to opposition MPs in the months leading up to elections. Even the average man in the street can do a bit of research of publicly released statistics etc to get a pretty good view of the state of whatever area they're interested in.

It's just an excuse to avoid them being questioned about their policies (or lack of them).

We can’t tell you what we’ll do until we’re in is incredibly lame

The best way to prompt Labour to publish their policies will be to call a General Election.
Call it now and it can be wrapped up by Christmas.

I'm not reading 29 pages of this. It's obvious that England is absolutely dying to vote tory again. Cannot get enough of voting for those who hate you. It's obvious. Another 5 years of Rishi and Suella and Jacob and the gang. Have fun dipshits.

I have no confidence in any of the political parties. I have never before felt completely politically homeless. Post-covid, the country feels broken. Very worried for my children who are in their 20s trying to make their way.

Why does anyone have to buy up existing housing? is that what we did in the 50s 60s and 70s? no, hence why no one aprt from you has suggested this.

Though housing is so bad in some areas that councils have indeed had to buy up private housing when essential.

We'd save a fortune in housing benefit claims, tenants would pay far less rent, so more money in the local economy, less homelessness, better communities as people have more secure housing.

Try going to a private dentist as new patient? they insist on x rays.

My local independent dentist fees:
New Patient Examination Adult
Includes detailed dental check, gum disease screening, oral cancer screening, all necessary small x-rays:
£79* Payment is taken during appointment booking

Children NP Consult fees [if joining individually i.e. parent/guardian is not joining as well]:
£25 Years 0 - 5
£40 Years 6 - 11
£60 Years 12 - 17

Fees DO NOT INCLUDE treatment costs.

Exactly. Of course there will be reasons the Conservatives might not want to do that.

@Teateaandmoretea @Lastchancechica
I realise it’s unworkable. That hasn’t stopped governments in the past. We only have to see what’s going on with ULEZ and landlord tax relief to realise these measures are not hitting the people they want to target but can’t as raising tax rates chases the highest earning brackets away.

It is very naive to believe in the long term the 1.7bn will be put into state schools annually.

In a couple of years it will just be swallowed up by HS2 and the rest of government spending. Plus it will lead to less kids in private so less money and more spending on state education. It isn’t such a stark figure as you are suggesting.

If it’s purely about money maybe it would be an idea to look into ‘charities’ as a whole. A lot of large corporates pretend to be charities for tax reasons. That could raise the receipts further. Why just private schools?

Whenever the GE is, which won’t be what Labour mners ask for, they’ll still have to say what they’ll do before getting in

That pp was just far off

Your obsession with dental care is an issue for you. Labour are not even offering any changes to dental care so what is your point?? You are derailing the thread with your shit teeth issues.

Housing IS a major issue in this country though. Space and housing. So why on earth do Labour supporters continue to support uncontrolled immigration? Labour have offered to take MORE migrants! How can it possibly be the case, as we both agree, that lack of housing is a major problem then make the problem even worse!!!

Can you not see for most coherent voters this does not make any sense whatsoever!

In the next breath Labour say they will build all over the green belt, but even if it happens (the court battles will go on for years) those houses won’t be ready for years and years. The housing issue will become even more acute.

Anyone seriously considering voting for Labour to achieve a BETTER quality of life are quite frankly utterly deluded. Turkeys voting for Christmas.

Well this is true of course.

ULEZ and the Labour plan to roll this out across the country, piloted in London is another tax on WORKING people.