To intensely dislike Keir Starmer

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I can't stand Tories.
The current Tories are the worst

But I still intensely dislike Keir Starmer and will probably vote Green.

I find him phony, with no vision, like a terrible 6th form prefect. And to be honest his whole front bench are dreadful. Wes Streeting nauseates me.

Is it just me?

@Lastchancechica "I am still waiting for the number of Labour leaders that have been female?

I am waiting for any female Labour PMs in all of history?"

None. And it's utter shit. Your point?

So depending on your constituency your vote will ensure one of the main three (four if you count SNP) parties candidate wins, due to our shit electoral system.

Happy to have a boring Prime Ministers, than the roster of headline grabbing clowns we have had over the last few years.

Not likely to improve whilst people continue issuing forth with all the hate of Angela Rayner.

Her point appeared to be that Liz Truss having been PM was an example of how the Tory government directly enhanced the lives of women 🤣

I prefer to judge my prime ministers on more substantial things than sex

Maggie Thatcher: devastated manufacturing, bribed folk with cheap housing and started the housing crisis, not too bad compared with the current lot.

Theresa May: worst pm ever until Boris, 'citizens of nowhere' bollocks.

Liz Truss: no, I can't even.

My vote will ensure I have thought about who to vote for and acted according to my conscience and what I think is best for me and my family.

Who wins in my constituency is beyond my control because I have no influence how anyone else will vote.

But you could choose to help everyone (including yourself) by voting for someone with a realistic chance of winning who will be less bad than the current shower instead of contributing to the likelihood of them being re-elected. You have to work with the system we have (and then campaign to change it if you don’t like it).

Why don't you listen to the podcast I posted?

I didn't say he wasn't middle class. I know he wasn't working class. They were middle class, not like the elite in power now, or poor.

His dad, is of that time, used to talk of the factory "being his factory." He was a manager on the shop floor there. However, he felt very much as if people looked down on him.

As I said, Kier always said he was self-made with a bit of luck with the time he was born, where scholarships were still in place

No, he doesn't know what it's like to be off a council estate. However, Angela Rayner does. She had a horrific childhood where today you would hope they would have been a care. Only for her grandma, she probably wasn't. Angela has pulled herself out of the gutter and is an amazing lady of substance. Link to her below

Ying and yang, as I said. A good combination

I'll vote for who I like thanks 😁

"Oh my days, I can't believe his toolmaker story works on people. He had a nice middle class upbringing and went to Oxford."

A toolmaker is a highly skilled job. As I said earlier, upper working/lower middle class. However, for most of Starmer's childhood, his father was a carer for his chronically ill mother. I'm not clear why any of this is relevant.

@Lastchancechica

Im suprised by how people don't understand economics.

Taxes come from the population. More people paying taxes and buying and selling goods = more tax revenue.

Population explosion is a good thing.

The only time it isn't, is if the Population are taking more out than they put in.

That would be people like:

1. Elderly with health problems

1. People working but not earning enough to pay taxes / needing tax credits or benefits.

If our economy was being run correctly, there would be plenty to pay for dentists. Unfortunately we have very low wages and a huge chunk of the population can't survive on it, housing is too expensive and essentially middle to high earners are now paying for everyone else.

It's a very poor system, designed entirely so that shareholders can get rich. That's the only thing it's efficient at.

If we, for example, had heaps of council housing, we would not need to pay out billions a year in housing benefit. Which we could then use for dentists.

That said, frankly no one in our government cares if we can't see a dentist. Their approach is to give us the bare minimum of our own money.

I intensely dislike the lot of them regardless of political colour. They and their attitudes are unpleasant to downright nasty.

The Tories lead that pack with Labour/Lib Dems hot on their heels to the extent it's a race to the bottom.

They all (including the individual national Parliamentarians) have disgraced themselves in terms of poor behaviour ie lining their pockets and thinking that the rules don't apply to them

I didn’t say you couldn’t @BloodyHellKen
I just gave you something to think about while deciding.

@keffie in what works is a factory floor manager and a nurse middle class? Not deprived, fair enough. But not middle class either.

Have you ever heard the saying 'don't teach your grand mother to suck eggs'?

They are taking out more than they’re putting in (54% to be exact) There’s a difference between a population boom and a productive population boom.

https://www.civitas.org.uk/publications/an-analysis-of-the-effects-of-taxes-and-benefits-on-household-income/

@BloodyHellKen If you have thought of it, then disregard. Many haven’t though - big picture thinking is not that common. I’m not teaching you to do anything, and I doubt you are significantly older/more experienced in voting than I am.
I couldn’t live with myself if my vote played a part in the Tories getting back in, so I’d vote for whoever could get or keep one out in my constituency, but obviously we are all different. That’s democracy.

Finally someone talking some sense.

The fact you don’t seem to know who pays for council housing is positively scary op. It falls out of the sky completely free of charge and suddenly hey presto we can pay for a free dentist for op?! 😂

It’s embarrassing to have posted that plentiful council housing will fix everything! And in the same breath accuse others of not knowing about economics.

I’d rather deal with open sexism/misogyny than the same deal wrapped up in a ‘be kind ribbon’ and gaslighted.

Sexism is rife in all parties but I’d rather deal with the devil I know who’s open about it 🤷‍♀️

Your choice is Keir Starmer's Labour Party or 5 more years of Tory misery. But sure, vote Green. It's not like the Tories have utterly fucked the country.
Oh, hang on...

Starter is a centrist. I have had enough of extreme politics from both sides and welcome a centrist.
I want someone competent ad a prime minister, not an entertainer.

But they know we don’t have penises! Right! And they are happy to support female PMs AND people of colour. All the things Labour have totally failed to do.

Labour really thinks women should shut the fuck up, accept they are cis vagina havers and get back and cook the tatties. They will wheel us out for the odd photo shoot once in a while to look “inclusive”, but Labour are anything but inclusive.
Ask any Jewish person or a real woman or anyone that isn’t based in Islington? It will be a no on all counts.