To intensely dislike Keir Starmer

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I can't stand Tories.
The current Tories are the worst

But I still intensely dislike Keir Starmer and will probably vote Green.

I find him phony, with no vision, like a terrible 6th form prefect. And to be honest his whole front bench are dreadful. Wes Streeting nauseates me.

Is it just me?

I've voted YUBU OP not because I love Keir Starmer, but more because intense dislike is something I can only imagine feeling for someone who has committed a terrible deed or is rude and nasty.

I had high hopes for KS when he became Labour Leader but unfortunately he doesn't appear to have any courage and permanently tries to please everyone. I can understand why he does this, but it doesn't make me want to vote for him or see him as leader material. I think he is probably a decent enough man, but then I assume Rishi Sunak is also a decent enough man.

KS's whole 0.1% of women have a penis thing would be laughable if it weren't so tragic and Labours stance on women's rights and promise of meaningless safe spaces has really been the final nail in the coffin. This is all after years of identity politics taking over the party which is what initially repelled me.

However, KS is just the leader (at the moment) and it's the policies I'm more interested in

I would love a good, centre left political party to vote for made up of grown ups who don't say things like 'I could never be friends with a Tory' and publicly call the opposition 'scum' but I don't see where it's going to come from. It's all so partisan and immature.

I'll probably vote for a local candidate.

Not being able to say someone is a man when they are is no small thing. Gender will be included in misogyny for first time, meaning men are included.

In a rape centre, in a teen change room, in a sport

We’re in big trouble if we cannot use language to reflect biological reality. Why on Earth would you give that up so willingly?

He's going to mention his father was a toolmaker in 3-2......

Couldn’t agree more.

I live and work in Wales. I have family in England. We have recently had to use both the NHS in England and in Wales. I would give our experience in Wales 8/10. Some admin errors but generally kind, caring and effective treatment provided in a fairly timely way.

I would give our experience in England about a 3/10. Pretty dire service. Burnt out staff that are too stretched to be anything other than functional. Experiences that added to the trauma.

Remember that central government decide how much money to provide the Welsh Government and how to tax to build the public pot that those services rely on.

The 20mph limit is based on research and will be reviewed but it meant that I happily let my DC cycle a distance to a shop the other day, but wouldn’t have before.

So to the PP talking about the Welsh Labour Gvt - If you want to call that a ‘nanny state’ so be it. But I think laws like this and the seatbelt law (that lots of people got unnecessarily cross about too) that are based on good evidence and designed to keep us safe, protect children and other vulnerable people that can’t choose for themselves and reduce strain on public services are a good thing overall.

And me.

YANBU - I cannot bear any of the current crop and will be spoiling my ballot. With any luck I’ll be out of the country for good - I genuinely feel the UK is in terminal decline and almost everything is in decline and will continue to be a disaster in the foreseeable (namely the NHS, transport infrastructure, energy, sewage in waterways, immigration, 5 million economically inactive etc) I have absolutely no faith a Starmer government can turn any of it around and I don’t want any more of my taxes pissed up the wall.

He's a tory plant, same as Blair. Fifth columnist. Cannot abide him.

I used I be a Labour Party member under Corbyn, and heavily campaigned for Labour in 2019. I left once Kid Starver got in.

Good.

If only more of the Corbyn activists left, politics would be a more beautiful space.

I don’t know whether to laugh or cry at those suggestions. But I think you’ve nailed it. I don’t find KS likeable or trustworthy so same old same old. He surely must have splinters from sitting on that fence.

TBH very few AR officers are ever prosecuted for murder and we ve seen this week what happens if thats tried.

He wasn't considered a poor choice at all, you re just making stuff up.

I sincerely hope “Kid Starver” was an autocorrect and not some pathetic attempt at wit.

I am voting for anyone who isn't a Tory, LibDem in this constituency. Nothing and nobody can be as poisonous as the current horde of racist enablers who have stolen the Tory party from under the noses of their intellectually challenged voters. We need our country back.

A Tory plant, Jesus, I've heard it all now 😂

Ummm safe spaces, single sex places for women and participation in sport are purely down to funding and laws made in Westminster, the ECHR is not required.

Especially when you consider many leading Tories want out of the ECHR.

Sunak like Boris before him, has a decent majority, he could change the GRA and pretty much any other law if he wanted too, so why is Badenoch going to the ECHR? a process that, even if a court date given and case won (huge if's) will take many years.

The trouble Tory supporters have is that the recent down grading of womens rights has occurred not under Labour as they'd have us all believe but under the Tories.

The worst is, we all know damn well he knows what a woman is, he just feels compelled to lie about it.

Which makes him spineless

We are part of the ECHR of course it applies to us.

Wanting to get out or not means precisely Jack all at this stage.

At least get informed. Read FWR there’s loads on there.

Also read TRAs on there and why they are confident. It is because international law is currently in their favour.

Your arguments are too flimsy making it hard to engage with.

Read up, engage with GC feminists, see what is going on.

It’s the latter. It’s one of the disparaging nicknames used in old labour/pro Corbyn circles. The same ones he’s trying valiantly to keep a lid on, lest the infighting overshadow everything else.

@Andnowtowhatcomesnext the 20mph limit is a sledgehammer to crack a nut. It's fine to have it near schools and on housing estates but it's not appropriate as a default - it's cost a lot of money making it default, money that could have been better spent elsewhere. When it doesn't work, more money will be wasted, putting it back to 30.
My experience of NHS Wales has been mixed - still waiting after 2 years to see a Urologist, DS was waiting a couple of years to see a consultant, there's a year + wait for a menopause specialist, no nhs dentist. The Welsh government is in charge of its own spending and cannot blame Westminster for all its failures.

We need our country back?

Considering that Keir Starmer wants to give millions of extra foreign nationals the right to vote in UK general elections your comment is somewhat laughable. When asked if EU countries offered the same voting rights to British citizens, Starmer's answer was 'it varies' - that's a no then.

But when they fudge what sex is, or make synonymous with gender, then they can not be taken at face value,unless they clearly state sex and gender are different,and sex is what will be used to provide separate services and spaces: they've ruined trust,so it's back to utter basics till they re-earn that, and they don't get to tell people when we can trust them. Mr "can't say only women have a cervix" tried to lie and gas light the country. If he was a partner on a MN thread,all you'd see is LTB, so it's only first past the post they he's got a chance to win back voters as options are limited.

I've not RFT as it's MASSIVE but Keir is dong a really good job.

People say he's not charismatic - Johnson is charismatic! Trump is charismatic! I appreciate he's got to sell himself to the voters but I'd rather an intelligent and able person than some populist.

When he became leader a few years ago Labour were in a terrible position. The reason he's not come out swinging on some issues is that he's had to get the party behind him. It was very divided and factionalist, now it's not. He's done that in a really short space of time. He can't come out with 101 economic policies now as there's no GE called so he has to play the long game.

Can people please STFU about his stance on trans issues - he reconsidered what he said and it's a massive difficult and complex issue. However it's a tiny one compared with the economy going down the toilet.

There's some great politicians on the Labour front bench - Rachel Reeves / Wes Streeting / my personal fave Yvette Cooper.

He does come from a genuine working class background and worked his way up through brains and hard work. Can't stand the "lefty lawyer" stuff, well done him for making a success of his opportunities and wanting to pass this on to the rest of society.

Also if you don't vote Labour the Tories will get in AGAIN and you'll have Suella embarrassing us on the world stage for EVER.

I appreciate he can be a bit nasal and whiney (could work on that I concede) but I do like his hair.

I love the NHS.

The NHS is one of the reasons I won't vote Labour. Already almost 10% of the NHS is private partnerships...Wes Streeting has outright admitted they intend to extend that.

In my view this is a disastrous idea. We don't need private partnerships. 15 years ago when the NHS was fully public sector we had much better value and much better service.

The fact they're taking enormous donations from various private healthcare speaks for itself. Noses in the trough. If you think they don't personally profit, think again. Blair made himself a very rich man, as well as his kids.

And before you say "oh but we need private beds and staff" - of course we don't. Public sector can buy beds and hire staff! Most private doctors are NHS too! It's just a pretty pathetic way to hoodwink us into accepting profits in the NHS.

I really can't bring myself to vote for them I'm afraid. Policy wise they are to the right of David Cameron and look how that worked out.

We need sensible policies that are about people having okay lives - not this nauseating profiteering off absolutely EVERYTHING.

Labour have definitely not pledged to protect 'single sex spaces', Labour have pledged to protect 'safe spaces' which is a woolly, meaningless term.

They have attempted to slightly back pedal on TWAW and allowing men into single sex spaces and hoped people won't notice the difference because presumably they think we are simple.