To intensely dislike Keir Starmer

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I can't stand Tories.
The current Tories are the worst

But I still intensely dislike Keir Starmer and will probably vote Green.

I find him phony, with no vision, like a terrible 6th form prefect. And to be honest his whole front bench are dreadful. Wes Streeting nauseates me.

Is it just me?

Hmmm this interesting:

www.nuffieldtrust.org.uk/news-item/how-well-is-the-nhs-in-wales-performing

Older population and a shortage of doctors.

Wales is a devolved nation, with control over health and with the government able to make decisions that solely affect Wales.

It comes down to this:

Do you want the ambulance to turn up in time to stop you dying from a heart attack or a stroke?

vote Labour if you're happy for your mum to be treated by a male, even if she doesn't want him to touch her - someone like Fred Wallace who wants to force a disabled non verbal woman to accept intimate care from fetishist males or to have it noted on her notes that she's a bigot.

Like single sex care? Think non verbal and disabled.women should have a right to single sex care from a female? Any party that promotes TWAW automatically believe any man that says he's a woman can give intimate care to your mum, nan, sister, daughter - even if they don't or can't consent.

It needs to go through without legal attack in the courts. On a major policy like this it makes sense to do due diligence with the ECHR. You are underestimating the level of legal interest from TRAs by a long shot.

As I said it’s in consultation, that’s the process. No party would omit it.

The Badenoch line is a bit silly tbh, it hasn’t been handed over anywhere.

It may be ready for next stage before the GE but it will be close.

The only way we’ll get single sex spaces is through that legislative change unless you have another method?

Higher funding per head. Not great

And yes devolved as @LadyBird1973 says

We already have women who have been raped told to "reframe their trauma" and accept male-bodied counsellors

We've already seen women who were raped told it didn't happen because there WERE NO MEN ON THE WARD. That, right there did it for me.

I know that was the hospital but any party that doesn't clearly differentiate between men that want to be women and actual biological women, is going to make laws that don't differentiate between men that want to be women and actual biological women

And frankly if you can lie about something so blatantly provable as biology, then you can not be trusted on anything.

helford
Neither you nor i know this... when he did have power, as DPP he was by all accounts very good

He did give benefit cheats up to 10 years in prison;
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2013/sep/16/benefit-cheats-jail-terms

Not so hot on sex offenders;
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11958253/Keir-Starmer-present-meetings-decided-not-sex-offenders-prison.html

I don't like him either - he's broken many of his promises already and I can't imagine he will be better in government. Although, at this point anyone is better than the tories.

Neither you nor i know this... when he did have power, as DPP he was by all accounts very good.

A diehard Labour friend worked with him regularly in a work capacity for prosecutions and had a different view.

I don’t actively dislike him - it’s more of a ‘nothing’ feeling.
Labour really are hopeless - why can’t they pick a leader with at least some sort of appeal/dynamism about him?

IMO they don’t want to publicise any potentially popular policies so far in advance of an GE - afraid of the Tories pinching them.

And yes, his stance (only once he was forced into saying something) on the ‘woman’ issue was enough to put a lot of us right off anyway.

Wales is a devolved nation, with control over health and with the government able to make decisions that solely affect Wales

Labour leader Keir Starmer has defended Welsh Labour's record on the NHS in Wales despite the Labour-led Welsh Government giving health services a smaller funding increase in Wales than the NHS in England is receiving.

He said that Labour in Wales has taken the right decisions with the health service in Wales and that he is "proud" of all its decisions.

www.walesonline.co.uk/news/politics/put-labours-record-funding-nhs-23600620

This.

He’s in an unenviable position tbh, trying to make a fractured party appear united. A not insignificant portion of the labour base hate him, considering him to be a Tory in a red tie, and they would rather not hold power if it means comprising on ideology. He’s having throw them bones (private school, for example) in order to keep them quiet, AND appeal to voters at large who aren’t inclined to buy into socialism. He’s walking a tightrope.

As far as I can see, he’s New Labour. He’s pro business, but can’t exactly come out and embrace this openly. He doesn’t have the charisma of Tony Blair (and people do respond well to charisma, whether they should or shouldn’t), nor his skills in oratory that allowed him to both reframe and deflect criticism.

Under which gov did this happen?

Bad things happen on hospital wards because they are short staffed.

And this has all happened under a Tory government in charge of a health service where the Tory govt have left local trusts to battle their way through confusing guidance and to make up their own policies because the Department of Health will not lead from the top - Because the Tories are actually too scared to put anything in place.

It's all academic anyway- the Tories are going to win the next election. Because enough of the electorate are as uninformed and lightweight to vote them in again. As evidenced by this thread.

I totally agree with this

Can someone explain to me, though, why Wes Streeting is "nauseating"?

This is factually incorrect. At the time, Starmer was widely acknowledged as being a poor choice in a mediocre lineup for DPP. He was also mired in numerous high profile scandals, controversies and misjudgements, notably refusing to prosecute the killers of Jean Charles de Menezes and Ian Tomlinson, which meant he was frequently attacked in the media. Starmer likes to take the sole credit for certain prosecutions while he was DPP but when his mistakes are brought up it's always someone else's fault.

helford
Starmer has repeatedly said he will respect female only spaces

Rishi Sunak has said he believes that 100 per cent of women do not have penises.

By contrast, Sir Keir earlier this month suggested that as many as one in every thousand women has a penis.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/rishi-sunak-transgender-penis-b2319675.html

Yes I am.

unless the other elements that constitute a hate crime are met, there will be no crime.

But even if it was, in some fantasy land of 7 bins and meat tax, a crime to misgender someone, you’d rather have fewer protections for all women? I just don’t understand why.

*Under which gov did this happen?

Bad things happen on hospital wards because they are short staffed*

Yes, it happened under the tories but as I said

^any party that doesn't clearly differentiate between men that want to be women and actual biological women, is going to make laws that don't differentiate between men that want to be women and actual biological women

And frankly if you can lie about something so blatantly provable as biology, then you can not be trusted on anything.^

I think the opposite when people go on about ‘culture wars’

Lightweight, uninformed and playing into TRA rhetoric

I suspect you're right.

In the immediate aftermath there will probably be riots. That will be easily quelled and dismissed as "hard left extremists".

The country will gradually become ungovernable as deprivation rises, services become overwhelmed by that, they are then cut in the name of "efficiency" and sold off. Asset stripping in other words. Deprivation continues to rise, life expectancy falls and infant mortality rises.

Meanwhile, those working for the state will silently do our best to keep the country from going to hell.

Wish us luck.

He speakes very highly of you OP!