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To have lost it at DS aged 11

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FluthyFeaffers · 26/09/2023 21:56

I have yelled at him this evening.
He is 11, soon to be 12.
Started Yr 7 in secondary school 3 weeks ago.
He is struggling so much with his (lack of) organisation in the mornings before school, I am at my wits end.
I spent the whole of year 5 and 6 battling, absolutely battling with him to get ready for school, but never succeeded. We were late every single day for 2 years.
"Eat your breakfast" gets distracted eating breakfast.
"Clean your teeth" goes upstairs to clean teeth but wanders around doing something else.
"Get dressed" goes in to bedroom to get dressed but ends up doing something else.
Etc. Etc. All through year 5 & 6.
It made us late because whilst this was going on I'm racing around trying to get myself ready for work and trying to get my other younger DC ready. Then I'd go and check on DS and he'd never ever have done what I'd sent him to do.
Nothing worked to motivate him. No reward system, no sticker chart, no amount of explaining about the repercussions of not doing as asked, no amount of explaining about the knock on effect of being late for school. I tried it all for 2 years. Nothing worked.
But because it was primary school, all that happened to him was we missed the school gate and had to go roundcto the front reception to be let in. He got a warm friendly greeting from teachers and I got a look of "Why can't you get your poor child in to school on time" and then I'd arrive late for work and get reprimanded for it.
So I spent the whole summer drilling it in to him that in Yr 7 he must must must get to school on time, because in secondary school if you're late you get a detention, because you're causing your sibling masses of stress by making them late for school every time you're late for school, because I am getting in to serious trouble at work because of arriving late every day because I drop you in late because you're not ready to leave on time, because it creates SO MUCH STRESS when you won't get ready in time to leave on time for school.
Yes yes yes yes yes mum, he said every time I brought it up over summer.
I promise, promise, promise I will change, he said.
4 weeks in to secondary school, and it is a nightmare every single morning.
He cannot, cannot get himself ready for school in time to leave.
I spell out for him every single morning what he needs to do. It's soooooo eeeeeasy. It's the same god damn things every single day! Nothing changes! Do x, y, z.
"Yes mum" wanders around.
"Have you done x, y and z?"
"No, sorry, I forgot. I'll do it now"
Wanders off.
"Why haven't you done x? Ive asked you twice now"
"Sorry"
"Do it now"
"Why haven't you done y? I've asked you 3 times"
"I'm sorry. I'll do it. I'm trying my best"
Last week he needed to take his PE bag on 1 of the says.
"Remember to take your PE bag today, it's hanging in the cupboard " I said.
"Oh yeah!!!!! PE!!!!! I forgot!!!!!! Thanks for reminding me!!!!!"
20 mins later:
"Have you got your PE bag?"
"Oh No! I forgot! I'll get it now...."
15 mins later, after non stop constant continuous marshalling to get ready, do this, do that, do this, do that:
"Right, come on, we're late again, pick up your rucksack and your PE bag we need to leave NOW"
DS hovers around putting on tie and blazer which I'd asked him to do the the past hour sling with all his other things he needs to do.
"NOW" I raise my voice, as he's making my other child late for school and me late for work.
He runs out the door, jumps in the car.
We get to school.
He turns pale and says "I've forgotten my PE bag"
"Tough" I say. " I have told you 3 times this morning to take your PE bag. I reminded you for the 3rd time right before we left home."
DS starts crying
"I will get a detention!!!!!!!!!"
His worst, absolute worst fear, is getting a detention. He's never had one, and is terrified of getting one.
"Maybe you'll learn if you get a detention " I say.
Then he starts begging and pleading with me to take him home to get his PE bag. He's crying sorry over and over again. He looks physically ill, sweating, clammy, pale.
So I drive him home to get PE bag.
My other child starts crying because now she is horribly late for school (different school) and is too young to go in by herself plus she has SEN and isn't mature enough to cope with going in by herself.
I drop him back to school. He's late. I drop DD toschool. She's late. I get 'the look' from her teachers. I drive to work. I'm late. I get disciplined by my boss.
That evening, I talk to DS for a very, very long time about the impact of his disorganisation in the mornings.
We work out that it would help him if I wrote down for him everything he needs to do in the mornings.
So I write it all out in very clear, bullet point steps. I show it to him, he thinks it's really helpful.
Great, I think.
Why didnt I think of this before.
1 week on, it's of no help at all.
This morning, he's wandering around telling me he's ready whilst simultaneously having forgotten 7 instructions in his morning list. I pointed each of the 7 things on the list out to him, staring each thing that was on the list that he hadn't done.
I told him to do them.
Went off to get other child ready to leave, I'm ready to leave, DS still not ready to leave. We were all late again.
Yesterday, he had something really important to take to school. His timetable. I askedchim SIX TIMES to put his timetable in to his rucksack (he'd got it out at home and I'd seen it in theclounge). I told him the night before, and again in the morning, 6 separate times in total "Put your timetable in to your rucksack now, otherwise you will forget" . 6 times. The 6th time was just before we left. I mean, I was getting more and more stern each time. "Put. Your. Timetable. In. To. Your. Rucksack. NOW. NOW!" We got to school. He turned pale. Panicked. "Mum I've forgotten my timetable!!!!!!!".
I point blank refused to go back and sent him in to school without it. He was really upset. Told me after school today that he'd gone to the wrong classroom at one point in the day as couldn't remember without his timetable. So I said "Go and put it in your rucksack now then, do it now".
"Ok" he says.
Dinnertime:
"Did you put your timetable in your rucksack?"
"Oh No! I got distracted! I'll do it now!"
Evening time
"Is your timetable in your rucksack?"
"No.......I forgot......."
"Go and do it immediately "
"OK...."
Bedtime, he's in bed, reading:
"Darling, is your timetable in your rucksack, did you do it?"
"No, sorry, I'm sorry mum, I forgot"
And that was that.
I lost it.
Yelled at him. For ages.
I have NEVER yelled at him before. Never.
He was devastated. So remorseful. Said sorry over and over again.
And finally, he broke my heart by sadly and quietly saying "I'm so sorry for being me. I really struggle with my short term memory mummy. I know it causes problems butvi cant help it".
He's soon to be 12.
He has not got SEN.
He's bright.
He's average at school except for maths where he's below average.
He's amazing in every other way.
He's such a good boy.
He tries so hard all of the time to do his best.
He's a clever boy.
He's a wonderful personality.
Fantastic sense of humour.
Loving.
Kind.
Affectionate.
Funny.
Friends love him.
Teachers complimentary about him.
What the hell is wrong with him in tbe mornings?????????
Am I being too hard?
Am I expecting too much????

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Lindyloomillion1 · 28/09/2023 22:30

I'd lay money on him having dyslexia/dyspraxia/ADHD. Sounds just like my boy, who lost his entire new school uniform when he started secondary school, came home wearing multiple other kids' clothes.
It is very stressful. Ask for an assessment and good luck

DobbleBobble · 28/09/2023 22:37

Sorry if someone has already suggested but it sounds like mornings are the issue as it impacts you all negatively, would it be easier to make some time for him in the afternoon / evening to go with him and collect up what he needs for the next day and put in his bag / by the door (eg pe bag / homework) and cut down on what he needs to remember in the morning when you don't have time to make sure he's doing it. He may be secondary but is still a child and it seems quite clear he does need help with his organisation.

Curtainseeker · 28/09/2023 22:46

Nothing much to add as others have it covered but would an Alexa help that reads tasks at a certain time? Does he have much in his room to get distracted by? Perhaps minimising items would help? Tasks he can do the night before such as if PE next day he should put PE kit by door as soon as he gets in from school same with the timetable.
set the clock (his and ones around the house) 10 mins faster so it’s not a last minute rush?

justlliloleme · 28/09/2023 22:47

This does sound like my daughter & she has ADHD.
we’ve put a massive blackboard in her room that has her timetable on it, what homework is due on what day & any extra clubs. A box with all her school stuff in & a box with all her dance stuff in.
It kind of works, she’s I’m in year 10 now & definitely better than she was when she was younger.

Be sure to only give him one instruction at & time & be clear. ‘Clean your room’ gets me no where, I need to say ‘pick your clothes up off the Flo’ & then ‘bring your pots & glasses down’. I can’t say get ready for bed, I need to say ‘brush your teeth’ then say ‘wash your face’. Too many instructions & she just gets overwhelmed & can’t remember them.

you just need to find ways to support that work for him. I’m pretty sure he’s driving himself mad too. Maybe there are some apps that might work for him - set reminders on his phone? (Although if he’s anything like me he’ll turn them off & stool forget 🙈).

it’s just finding what works for him. Good luck xx

Lessexpected · 28/09/2023 22:50

This sounds like ADHD. The detail of your post suggests ASD traits, also comes with poor working memory.
ADHD is so misunderstood it is unreal. It doesn’t mean ‘naughty’.

DumpedByText · 28/09/2023 22:51

Stop rescuing him, you keep saving the day by reminding him all time. When it's time to leave make him get in the car and go, if he hasn't got what is required he'll have to face the consequences. Maybe a detention is what is needed!

Josieangel21 · 28/09/2023 22:52

Get assessment started now for autism/asd, minimise consequences at sch by informing them they have to it. Secondary kicked started process for my lovely, now in yr 11 and might get official status and all that comes with it in yr 13. My child would like it acknowledged. It means a lot to them.

Annasgirl · 28/09/2023 22:56

DumpedByText · 28/09/2023 22:51

Stop rescuing him, you keep saving the day by reminding him all time. When it's time to leave make him get in the car and go, if he hasn't got what is required he'll have to face the consequences. Maybe a detention is what is needed!

I hope you do not have a child with SEN or additional needs.

Annasgirl · 28/09/2023 22:59

OP, I’m glad you posted and hope the replies (mostly) have helped you.

I also hope you manage to get your DS assessed. When you get a diagnosis it helps so much. You can find coping strategies for you and your DS. It will transform his life and yours.

unfortunately, you will always have to cope with smug people who tell you to just use ‘tough love’. Thank God for our children’s sakes, times have moved on.

Mummymoomingrumpy · 28/09/2023 23:03

Sounds exactly like my adhd daughter. They don’t all present in the same way. Can be super high functioning on many levels but still struggle on some levels.

GoosieLucy · 28/09/2023 23:04

He sounds like me! I was diagnosed with ADHD whilst at school. I still sometimes struggle now with everyday life and get lots of anxiety and I feel overwhelmed at seemingly small tasks which don’t seem to faze most people.
I would try and get him some help now as it’s not fun living with a jumbled, racing brain.

PlumpAndGrump · 28/09/2023 23:12

OP I just want to say you sound like a great mum. Your children are lucky. Keep powering on. Xx

xmaswiththeinlaws · 28/09/2023 23:13

Wow, my DS can be a bit of an airhead but has improved over time.
My first thought was is he getting to bed early enough? Does he get distracted by TV, computer etc? If yes, I would ban them in the morning until all jobs are done. Here are some things that have helped us:
We had a list of what needed doing regularly and laminated it so he could tick them off with dry wipe as he did them, it helped with getting into a routine.
Having a bag big enough for PE bag to go straight in with lunch etc. The less bags and extras, the less things you can forget.
Make copies of the timetable and laminate a small one to attach to the bag, one on a notice board in his room and perhaps a family area. (Will never forget to take it, if he can't take it off his bag) you could even colour code the subjects for ease of reading. Get books, HW, uniform etc in bag/set out the night before to minimise what he may forget. Set reminders on a phone, watch or Alexa alarm, including pre leaving the house time.
If he's still struggling, there's a company that sell scented clothing stickers to improve focus snd concentration, they may help. They are not cheap but if they work they may well be worth not risking losing your job over. It doesn't take many detentions for them to get the message.
Good luck.

NeedaBreakPlz · 28/09/2023 23:13

Your amazing son sounds exactly like my 12 year old son (undiagnosed adhd). His sibling is neuro diverse and if one sibling is SEN it’s likely the other one is too.

ADHD can come in MANY different forms and it’s way more complex than most people think. By the way adhd-ers can hyper focus - it’s one of the main traits.

Read ‘How not to murder your adhd child’ by Sarah templeton - dramatic title but it’s a very clear compassionate book explaining the many ‘faces’ (traits) of adhd and how to approach them as a parent.

Your son is still amazing with or without adhd but knowing how his brain works will make you a better team…and bring your stress levels right down.

You sound like a incredible mum by the way. Give yourself a huge amount of credit.

Emmacarrie86 · 28/09/2023 23:23

Hyper focus is one of the biggest ADHD symptoms. If it’s something we are interested in we are 100% into it and can do it for AGES. Most people with ADHD are actually highly intelligent because of symptoms like hyper focus. I would deffo say your son has ADHD…

Workingmumoftwintoddlers · 28/09/2023 23:30

Having read some... not all... of this thread, I just wanted to say that please take a moment to pause and recognise that you are an amazing mum, showing up and surviving every stress so your children can thrive. I know as mums pretty much we all do it, and we all have our own blessings and challenges, but your juggle doesn't sound easy.

MrsJackBauer21 · 28/09/2023 23:33

Sounds exactly like the behaviour I get from my teen daughter, she was diagnosed with adhd in year 8! She takes medication for it since then which has helped massively

ToffeeMamma · 28/09/2023 23:48

I'm sorry but your son has SEN and you need to recognise this and push for a diagnosis because blaming him for all this is going to push him away. Your daughter has SEN so it's very likely he has too.
My son is 10 he has pre Syncopy and currently been assessed for autism you just described his typical morning. Your daughter's SEN may be obvious but your sons are also affecting all of your lives. If he was doing this out of laziness or naughtiness trust me he would not care about a detention. Get your son some help instead of blaming him for everything.

bexollie · 28/09/2023 23:55

Well, this sounds like my son. He is 26 now and was always like this and still is.
It sounds like,e dyspraxia or ADHDor aspergers . My son has all 3 and is very very bright .He got a degree and and works but is so disorganised. He cannot get ready on time he thinks he has more time than what he has. Everyone has to wait for him and he had to have a flexible start time at work. Why don't you get his bag ready the night before and maybe give him just one instruction at a time . When they get to secondary school they have too much to think about and the information scrambles in their brain and they lose focus.
We saw all sorts ot specialists and nothing made a difference.
Look on you tube at adhd videos and it's an eye opener.

My son never get told off at school he would worry himself sick and always toed the line .
He sounds lovely. Maybe speak to the senco and don't let her fob you off , he's a boy and it's his age excuse . I don't think he's doing it on purpose either

sillyuniforms · 29/09/2023 00:07

ADHD
All the classic signs
With bells on

sillyuniforms · 29/09/2023 00:08

Octavia64 · 26/09/2023 22:09

Hyper focus is completely consistent with adhd.

It's also a classic sign

Nat6999 · 29/09/2023 00:19

You are giving him a list of 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, by the time you have said the lot, he has forgotten at least 1, 2, 3, 4 & probably 5. My ds is ASD, if I had done a list like that, he would have forgotten at least half of it & be overwhelmed. Start by doing his bag together as soon as he has done his homework, have a copy of his timetable stuck on the fridge or somewhere you can all see it. Have 5 trays & sort his books out by day, if he has English on , Monday, Thursday & Friday, Monday night, put his book in the Thursday tray, that way you can put his books in his bag the night before. Go back to basics, put his clothes out, do his bag, everything else, could you all eat breakfast together then all go back upstairs, you get dd ready but keep an eye on him & give gentle reminders, point him in the bathroom to get washed & clean his teeth, then when he comes out point him in his bedroom to get dressed, check he has the right uniform on, all correct, then you all go downstairs, shoes on, pick up bag & off to school. I found that if I got up 45 minutes earlier I got myself washed, dressed, most of my hair & makeup on before I woke him up, I just had to clean my teeth & put my lipstick on as I was shepherding him getting ready.

listentothewind · 29/09/2023 00:45

Sorry long post!! The term hyper focus was coined to describe individuals with ADHD it is on the conners assessment and acknowledged as a part of ADHD make up. ADDitude.com is a fantastic resource for you to look up. I am almost certain you will be saying, “that’s my son exactly” lots and lots of times. It’s very typical for inattentive-type ADHD individuals to have exactly the same emergence of symptoms. It’s just that their peers executive functioning kicks up a notch in years 5 and 6 sadly leaving the ADHD-er feeling dejected and left behind. I think you need to contact your GP and your son’s school and ask for the SENCO to do a brief session with your son and round robin with his teachers asking them what his instruction following is like in class as well as concentration when they are talking to the class. Do this now. Do it before your son gets in trouble at school for things he canno avoid and isn’t choosing to do. Read, read, read yourself too. The are fantastic books available on Amazon but so many free resources online too. I’d start with saying sorry to your son and that you know he’s trying his best and you are going to help him be successful with the tricky bits of school he’s struggling with. Starting secondary school is scary for all year 7’s but for kids with executive functioning issues it’s super confusing and can make them feel a failure when friends seem to ‘just get it’ and they find it so hard. I say all this as a secondary teacher, married to a doctor with ADHD. Three children and on has ADHD and autism. I also say it as a parent who was sooo frustrated with him being more ‘difficult’ and emotional and scattered than the other two! We are now a team. Realising he was trying so hard and feeling a failure was a huge turning point in our relationship. We are firmly on the same team now and I am his fiercest advocate…and eventually getting a diagnosis for us was very positive as he felt empowered and not shamed for struggling with things others barely think about. Best of luck and enjoy reconnecting with your little boyXxx

listentothewind · 29/09/2023 00:48

We love Alexa- for mornings but also for helping my son drift off to sleep by playing audiobooks and meditations - ADHD brains find it so hard to switch off don’t they?!

laminaHK · 29/09/2023 01:00

FluthyFeaffers · 27/09/2023 00:14

Thanks all.
Reading up on innatentive adhd now.
Had never even heard of the term executive functioning....
Yes, he is so, so lovely.
I give him so much love.
I listen to him every day.
i givechim time and space to talk.
I make sure he feels listened to.
I cuddle him multiple times a day.
I tell him constantly that I love him.
I hold him tight.
I tell him hes brilliant, wonderful, amazing. Because he is.
I tell him all the time that he's doing really well.
I tell him i know hes doing his best.
i sit with him whilst he does his homework and i help him with it.
I sit with him whilst he does the things he loves focusing on.
I take A massive interest in his interests.
I take him to clubs about things he's interested in.
I take him for lovely days out.
I try really hard to help him build friendships, I invite his friends over, I take him and his friends out to fun places.
I help him so much in the mornings.
His bag IS packed the night before. He still takes things out the next morning and forgets to put them back in.
His coat IS hanging on the front door after I've hung it there to remind him. He still walks straight past it.
His list of things I've written out to remember in the morning IS simple. There are 8 things on there to do. He still can't work through it.

For the record, I just want to say, I am supporting him. I've photocopied 7 copies of his timetable. They're on his desk, my desk, the kitchen worktop, the door, I've given him paper ones to keep in his blazer and laminated ones to keep in his rucksack and in his school locker. He mislays all of them. People have asked me why didn't I put his timetable in his rucksack for him. The reason I didn't is because he's in secondary school now so I am trying to train him in his organisation skills and I am trying to teach him to take responsibility for his actions. His new secondary school teachers aren't going to do things for him, they will expect him to organise himself, so I was trying to teach him to put his own timetable in to his own bag. He is nearly 12. He should be able to do this.
I DO get up early. I get up at 5:30am and we need to leave at 8am. I am exhausted. I used to get up at at 7am. But because of DC I get up at 5:30am. I physically cannot get up any earlier. I get up and start organising everything. But DS won't get up any earlier than 7am. He literally refuses. He is as big as me so I can't pick him up and get him out of bed. So between 7am and 8am I am chasing him round the house whilst finishing off getting myself ready and spending ages getting my DD ready who's generally having a gargantuan meltdown because the seem in her socks is wonky or her hairband feels wrong that morning.
You know what, I actually feel like finding a dark room to lay down in and not coming out for 10 years.

Really feel for you & how some people have responded.
You reached out looking for some advice & it could have been given much kinder. You’re trying your best - we all are.

Please don’t be too hard on yourself - you know you’re a great mother and you clearly want to help & learn. Everybody can snap, nobody’s perfect.

I hope you’ve found some good advice & can finally crack the morning routines.
sending love xx

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