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Russel has spoken

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Whyismyfacealwaysdry · 22/09/2023 22:31

On Instagram, has anyone seen? What are your thoughts?

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WarriorN · 23/09/2023 07:41

He's monetising it all.

He could have issued a written statement free to a paper.

Zimunya · 23/09/2023 07:41

VivaLaVolvo · 22/09/2023 22:35

Russell who?

Brilliant!!

S910441 · 23/09/2023 07:43

LadyOfTheCanyon · 23/09/2023 07:31

@S910441

Thank you. I am aware of the original use of the phrase. However I think that the majority of people using it in the 21st century mean it, as PP did, in the more widely used manner, which I'm sure you were aware of and understood in the context of her reply.

Oh I see, you were being disingenuous. You weren't bothered by how I used it linguistically, but by how I used it towards an OP. Well I was - fairly light-heartedly - sticking up for WhateverMate. Not that it's really that important and worth a derail...

Janieforever · 23/09/2023 07:44

WarriorN · 23/09/2023 07:41

He's monetising it all.

He could have issued a written statement free to a paper.

Agree, it’s not some statement though on the accusations, it’s a plea for folks to pay to watch him on rumble. As you tube suspended ads so he can’t make money on that platform,

IClaudine · 23/09/2023 07:44

Efacsen · 23/09/2023 07:37

Yesterday afternoon the Russell Brand story was slipping off the front pages and had all but disappeared before his latest contribution on Rumble late last night

Now it's back as front page news again

Yesterday was hopeful that the furore was dying down and the next time we heard about it would be from the Met announcing either the outcome of their investigations or his arrest

That is a good point. Brand is contributing to keeping the story going. Perhaps he knows he needs to make as much money as he can before things get really sticky for him.

Maatandosiris · 23/09/2023 07:45

Alltheprettyseahorses · 23/09/2023 07:16

If his defenders say Russell Brand is meant to be completely innocent until proven guilty in court, does that mean they think it's safe to leave their daughters with him? They wouldn't be the slightest bit concerned and take his reputation into account? And it's not trial by media, it's exposure by media.

I think you’re confused of the position here. Let’s break this down into two separate components.

Does Brand come across as a misogynist? Does he say things I don’t agree with? Does he have a narcissistic personality? All those things are a matter of personal judgement. Firstly I wouldn’t leave my child with anyone I didn’t know. If I did know then and felt that their personality was something I didn’t like (for whatever reason I wouldn’t s leave my child with them). That’s my personal choice. The only consequence for the other person would be that they didn’t get to spend time with my child.

Now let’s move on to the criminal allegations. The test for rape is whether the following has occurred beyond all reasonable doubt.

The offence is created by section 1[1] of the Sexual Offences Act 2003:
(1) A person (A) commits an offence if—

(a) he intentionally penetrates the vagina, anus or mouth of another person (B) with his penis,
(b) B does not consent to the penetration, and
(c) A does not reasonably believe that B consents.
(2) Whether a belief is reasonable is to be determined having regard to all the circumstances, including any steps A has taken to ascertain whether B consents.
(3) Sections 75 and 76 apply to an offence under this section.

(4) A person guilty of an offence under this section is liable, on conviction on indictment, to imprisonment for life.

Note no where in there is there any reference to, would you leave your daughter with him, does he set your spidery senses tingling?

How do I know whether that offence has been committed? It needs to be tried in a court of law, evidence needs to be set out by each side in accordance with the same rules with the same opportunity and viewed fairly and equally. The Jury then decides whether guilty or not. Where the procedure is not followed there are rights of appeal.

so your question, whilst emotive is irrelevant to criminal accusations. You are confusing defending an individual with defending justice

augustusglupe · 23/09/2023 07:47

NameandShame · 23/09/2023 07:41

Have the police said this ?

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Oh so you’re saying that RB is not cooperating with the police?!
How do you know that? I would’ve thought that would be headline news?!!

Efacsen · 23/09/2023 07:47

NameandShame · 23/09/2023 07:41

Have the police said this ?

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Exactly.

@WarriorN has no idea what communication there has been between RB and the Met or any other police force in the UK or US

Why would they speak out about an on-going investigation at this early stage

WarriorN · 23/09/2023 07:47

As much as the DM is sometimes a nightmare...

Headline:

Russell Brand says he has faced an 'extraordinary and distressing week' in new conspiracy-filled video but fails to address rape and sexual assault allegations - as he begs fans to 'support' him on his $60 Rumble channel

It's all about him.

He's "distressed" - what about the woman that he bragged about sexually assaulting on radio 2? Who assumed that part had been edited out of the show as no one contacted her about it, only to find last week it was aired?

But he wants as many $60 as he can get for his statement ta very much.

WarriorN · 23/09/2023 07:50

That is true we don't know - his statements here so far are pretty DARVO.

AnImaginaryCat · 23/09/2023 07:50

Thisisveryhard · 23/09/2023 07:10

Why uneducated? Why do you think they would be uneducated? Uneducated in what exactly? Very well educated people can also be raging misogynists. I refer you to most of human history.

And if you look at the data, people who believe conspiracy theories tend to be well educated and to be people who pride themselves on doing their own research, being independent thinkers.

It’s massively simplistic ( and self serving) to think that people who have opinions you despise are vulnerable or a bit thick, or a bit of ‘education’ ( whatever you think that is) will sort them out. And it’s not true.

And yes, I utterly despise RB and always have. The revelations on him do not surprise me.

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This is true. Least the bit about people who believe in conspiracy theories are tend to be educated.

Though I'd argue at the 'well educated' part and the bit about doing their own research. Because they tend to be educated but not intelligent. (I'm sure they think they are.) Also not well enough educated to think.

Research tends to be in a one-sided field, and often by listening to some leader in whatever the field is and not questioning what they say.

I can't recall where I read it, but I did read RB being described something along the lines of someone the unintelligent think of as a philosopher. He talked quickly and used 'big words', so people thought was clever. But if you actually listened to it, he was chatting shit.

He's not been on my radar for years, but that's still happening it seems, all be it mostly on social media now.

GCAcademic · 23/09/2023 07:51

Maatandosiris · 23/09/2023 07:45

I think you’re confused of the position here. Let’s break this down into two separate components.

Does Brand come across as a misogynist? Does he say things I don’t agree with? Does he have a narcissistic personality? All those things are a matter of personal judgement. Firstly I wouldn’t leave my child with anyone I didn’t know. If I did know then and felt that their personality was something I didn’t like (for whatever reason I wouldn’t s leave my child with them). That’s my personal choice. The only consequence for the other person would be that they didn’t get to spend time with my child.

Now let’s move on to the criminal allegations. The test for rape is whether the following has occurred beyond all reasonable doubt.

The offence is created by section 1[1] of the Sexual Offences Act 2003:
(1) A person (A) commits an offence if—

(a) he intentionally penetrates the vagina, anus or mouth of another person (B) with his penis,
(b) B does not consent to the penetration, and
(c) A does not reasonably believe that B consents.
(2) Whether a belief is reasonable is to be determined having regard to all the circumstances, including any steps A has taken to ascertain whether B consents.
(3) Sections 75 and 76 apply to an offence under this section.

(4) A person guilty of an offence under this section is liable, on conviction on indictment, to imprisonment for life.

Note no where in there is there any reference to, would you leave your daughter with him, does he set your spidery senses tingling?

How do I know whether that offence has been committed? It needs to be tried in a court of law, evidence needs to be set out by each side in accordance with the same rules with the same opportunity and viewed fairly and equally. The Jury then decides whether guilty or not. Where the procedure is not followed there are rights of appeal.

so your question, whilst emotive is irrelevant to criminal accusations. You are confusing defending an individual with defending justice

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Rape has been effectively decriminalised in this country. Repeated mantras of "innocent until proven guilty" and "it needs to be tried in a court of law" amount to little more than gaslighting of victims of sexual assault.

RudsyFarmer · 23/09/2023 07:51

If it’s the video I saw I just view him as another extremist like Trump.

IClaudine · 23/09/2023 07:52

Tanith · 23/09/2023 07:32

It always used to be that, when the media did an exposé on someone, they handed the dossier over to the police as well as publishing their findings.
Even the News Of The World did that and, God knows, they were absolute gutter-dwellers.

I do not like this recent trial by media attitude, it’s dangerous. Too many innocent people are having their lives ruined by it. In some countries, it’s ended by lynching and murder.

i have never liked Russell Brand. I’m not qualified to say whether he is innocent or guilty. All I know is that he has had some horrendous allegations made against him.
They need to be tried in court. If the judicial system is letting victims down, then that’s what needs addressing.

A media-fuelled frenzy is not in any way a substitute for that.

It always used to be that, when the media did an exposé on someone, they handed the dossier over to the police as well as publishing their findings

The police said they have been in contact with the producers of the programme. So presumably some information will be shared.

WarriorN · 23/09/2023 07:53

Rape has been effectively decriminalised in this country. Repeated mantras of "innocent until proven guilty" and "it needs to be tried in a court of law" amount to little more than gaslighting of victims of sexual assault.

innocent until proven guilty is a distraction that he wants. It's distracting from a number of abusive tactics.

DARVO, gaslighting and stonewalling.

BigBadaBoom · 23/09/2023 07:55

But Brand can still post his YouTube videos, he just can't make money from them. That's not him being censored, that's him being suspended from his job. I'm sure many will fall for his trickery, though, for that is the nature of the followers of charismatic populists.

WarriorN · 23/09/2023 07:56

'Hello there you awakening wonders, obviously it's been an extraordinary and distressing week and I thank you very much for your support and for questioning the information that you have been presented with.

I mean, JFC. I don't like the phrase "wake up" as it's used by conspiracy theorists but, wake up.

tiggergoesbounce · 23/09/2023 07:57

I think trial by media is a disgrace. I can't believe people actually agree with how the press are allowed to conduct themselves. Look at what they did to Cliff Richards, he was absolutely innocent, but they destroyed him mentally and physically. There were loads of people saying there was something not right with Cliff Richards etc etc its vile.
The press have a long history of hounding people with devastating outcomes.
The press have a long history of lying, yet people suggest Murdoch is the gatekeeper to the truth, its ridiculous.

I think Russell brand should be dragged before a court of law and it be determined what he has and hasnt done. Of course judge him on the views he has spoken or the action you have seen, but leave the accusations for the courts to decide. I dont believe the accusser should be able to be reported up and hounded daily until guilt is proven. Of course he shouldn't be out on social media or the press pleading his case of innocence, thats for the courts.

WarriorN · 23/09/2023 07:58

BigBadaBoom · 23/09/2023 07:55

But Brand can still post his YouTube videos, he just can't make money from them. That's not him being censored, that's him being suspended from his job. I'm sure many will fall for his trickery, though, for that is the nature of the followers of charismatic populists.

Of course. He's the master of PR.

Its5656 · 23/09/2023 07:58

Lemoncellocake · 22/09/2023 22:40

My view is that the comments from people supporting him on Instagram are clearly written by those who are either a) vulnerable b)uneducated or c) people who believe in conspiracy theories.

He is just a gaslighting rapist.

What I came here to say.

EasternStandard · 23/09/2023 07:58

Not sure I can bother with the whole video on IG but the very first line - he’s terrified

Then he launches into online safety bill which isn’t very interesting.

WarriorN · 23/09/2023 07:59

Clicks and his dick.

And a lot of cash for the lawyering up.

tiggergoesbounce · 23/09/2023 07:59

And the press dont weigh up the likely hood against being sued for their integrity they estimate if their liew earn them more than more.

Kernackered · 23/09/2023 07:59

Are his hand gestures always like that or is it because he's panicking? He reminds me of Trump with all that handwaving

BelleHathor · 23/09/2023 08:00

friskybivalves · 23/09/2023 07:37

Just to note that Caroline Dinenage is chair of the cross-party Parliament select committee for culture, media and sport. It is not a government role so isn't an example of government overreach.

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Yes, that's exactly what Silkie Carlo of Big Brother watch has said. It doesn't change the fact that she is an elected MP of the current party in power, clearly going above her brief.

This twitter thread puts it better than me:
"Ministers sign a Ministerial code upon accepting their office once appointed. The preamble is emphasises the need to act in such a way that engenders trust in the government. Do you feel such overreach accomplishes or even comes close to instilling trust in the Government?
Presumption of Innocence: Before anyone is convicted in a court of law, they're presumed innocent. An MP pre-judging a case could be viewed as attempting to influence public opinion and possibly the outcome of any potential legal proceedings."
https://x.com/BxLt115/status/1704630608708641103?s=20

https://x.com/BxLt115/status/1704630608708641103?s=20

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