"Cheeky" swimsuits. Just why?

[disappearingfish]

I get it for posing on the beach, but why do swimwear makers cut the bums off suits otherwise aimed at the "proper swimming" market. I do not want to see bare arses at 0630 under the bad lighting of my local council swimming.

This, for example. Who buys this? www.arenasport.com/en_uk/006660-women-s-swimsuit-arena-mesh-panels-power-back.html

No I don’t consider that swimsuit to be sexually aggressive, just ugly and unnecessarily revealing but the discussion in this thread has moved on from just being about the swimsuit.

The fact that you think a woman is somehow morally lacking if she dresses in a way you dislike

I've said nothing of the kind. I have said wearing very skimpy clothing might be motivated by showing off or wanting to shock or wanting to look sexy. Nowhere have I said any of those mean someone is morally lacking. You've put your own spin on this.

No one has said anything about" being morally defective" , or certainly neither you nor I have.

Certain posters are making assumptions that saying a person is dressed in a way which is designed to catch attention or shock or to make the wearer look sexually attractive means that the person saying that is also saying the wearer is "morally defective"

It's quite some jump and follows no logical path; unless of course the poster making the accusation thinks dressing in a way which is designed to catch attention or shock or to make the wearer look sexually attractive is indicative of a character flaw. In which case those posters might like to examine their own prejudices.

The implication is clear, but I'm not talking about only you. The thread is full of people claiming that a woman who wears something they deem too revealing must expect to be viewed negatively and when this happens, she is the problem. Not the attitude that it's fine to judge a woman on her clothes, that's just fine. She's a woman and therefore her character is determined not by how she treats people, but how she chooses to dress her own body. We don't need to challenge people who view her negatively, as if they know anything important about her, we just need to correct her.

People haven't used the exact term "morally defective", but if you don't think that's an accurate description of the overall judgement then you either haven't read the thread or you are just being completely dishonest.

It does not matter if someone wears a cheeky swimsuit or a full burkini. Either one and anything in between is her perfect right to choose to wear and the only thing it says about her is that she preferred to wear it. Everything else is not how she is, it is how the viewer is, and that is their problem.

How can anyone care, anyway? The number of women in cutaway swimsuits is a small percentage of women who swim and a miniscule percentage of women overall. At any given moment there'll be about a zillion more women in hijabs than cheeky swimsuits and that's their perfect right as well. It doesn't say anything about them either other than that they choose to wear hijabs.

It's just an easy target.

I totally agree with you OP. Especially like at the beach on holiday where there’s a cafe, and people sit on the seats in them with their bum cheeks bare . Makes me feel queasy sorry

I have not said anything about "morally defective". That's all up to you. I can only assume by the way you keep repeating it that you've made the mistake of thinking wearing attention seeking clothes etc means"being morally defective" and can't admit you've made a huge, illogical and incorrect leap.

I suggest you try re- reading and examining your own prejudices and assumptions. Or even reading what has been posted.

As for wearing a hijab says "nothing more than they choose to wear a hijab" ? Really?

Wearing a hijab is a visible indicator of following a certain belief system and religion. Or are you seriously suggesting there are hordes of women wearing a hijab just for giggles with no connection to their religion?

Or Jewish men who wear yarmulkes? Or Sikhs wearing turbans?

Of course in the UK it's the individuals choice to wear clothes or jewellery which signify their religious beliefs but it's quite ludicrous to say these clothes tell you nothing about the wearer. The clothes don't tell you if the wearer is a nice person or a horrible person but to claim they tell the observer nothing really is ridiculous. It's kind of their point.

Wearing religious garments in the UK is of course a free choice (certainly so far as UK law) but your statement that it's just her "perfect right to choose to wear [it]" does not apply to millions of women.

@SurprisedWithAHorse so women just pick the clothes they like with no other considerations, is that what you’re saying? Very clearly that’s not the case.

There is an entire industry dating back as far as there has been humans, revolving round designing clothes. To say women aren’t influenced by whatever else is going on at the time is rubbish. Thong bikinis of the 80’s were smaller if anything. Worn because a dark tan was a badge of honour. These ones are specifically cut to look like it’s ridden up.
Clearly all it’s for is saying “look at my bum”. It’s not enhancing the experience of swimming.

@lightisnotwhite

Clearly all it’s for is saying “look at my bum”. It’s not enhancing the experience of swimming.

I would say it's not saying "look at my bum"....it would be more like "I like how my bum looks in this and I'm confident in it".
I'm slim with a big bum, that style at the back would suit my body IMO and I would be confident in it. I wouldn't be confident in other styles.

More likely is not never.

ridiculously dressed women/some of them look awful - in YOUR opinion not necessarily other peoples

make other women sick to death - maybe make YOU feel that way but not all other women and again this is YOUR opinion

majority of men ignore them, ending up drawing wrong kind of attention - not facts (unless you can back up with evidence based research?) but again your opinion

None of the above has anything to do with my original point about men wearing ridiculous items of clothing

But that is EXACTLY what you did! It is there in black and white So not that particularly interesting At least be honest about it

So in response to my post about women sadly insulting and belittling other women on MN (using actual comments taken from this thread), PloddingBottom, without any apparent sense of irony, does exactly that to me and anyone that disagrees with her!

Just because YOU disagree with people that doesn't mean that they aren't in some way lacking and/or pathetic/lack critical thinking/have no sense of nuance they just have a different viewpoint to you with their own reasons for thinking that way.

On the whole my comments on this thread have been backed up with explanations as to why I think the way I do. I also haven't directly insulted anyone here. Well maybe the OP's reliability in her comments as I think she is being hyperbolic to stretch her point.

Saw someone with one similar to this on at the local pool,men were ope ly gawping very uncomfortable

@MsPloddingBottom

Another poster said a woman exposed her bum cheeks and others clearly saw. That is exhibitionist and involving other people in something they don't expect to see probably to see at a bus stop. Nobody wants to see that, unless you're out at night then it's appropriate for the occasion. We don't have to blindly agree with everything women do.

In response to my post about negative comments and on a thread about swimsuits, you strangely hone in on a posters response about seeing someone with a very short skirt at a bus stop. I personally haven’t seen that and didn’t comment upon it. I did see during the daytime this Summer very short shorts on young women that exposed the lower part of their buttocks, and, like the swimsuit I would assume it’s fashion and probably had no other thoughts about it – either positive or negative.

That is exhibitionist – that is YOUR opinion which doesn’t make it true and is probably not hers

Nobody wants to see that – again your opinion and, if you feel so strongly, why don’t you just look away? You’re hardly going to suffer from PTSD from seeing someone’s lower buttocks.

I absolutely agree clothing generally should be appropriate for the occasion. A swimsuit in a swimming baths is appropriate IMO.

We don't have to blindly agree with everything women do – I don’t.

@Mothership4two/@Fallingthroughclouds
you need to take a step back from this thread. Wishing you well.

And you don't? You're a strange and patronising one aren't you.

Plus I had one minor interaction with you and you are now tagging me days later. Bemusing.

@Fallingthroughclouds sorry I have other things so to do besides engage with you all day... I'm going to work now, is that ok with you? Step away.

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 you TAGGED ME, and please don't tell me what to do. You have sod all on, if the first thing you do upon waking is dredge this up. I wrote one responding sentence days ago. Enjoy your day of being so very self important and thanks for the laugh.

Thanks for the backhanded insult @MsPloddingBottom, you too.

And my current comments are responses to being tagged.

My comments to you about maybe trying not be negative on here and not denigrating people with opposite viewpoints made literally no difference I see.

You feel sick to death because you don’t like someone’s clothes?

What do you define as ‘wrong kind of attention?’

Why do you think women who wear revealing clothes don’t respect their bodies?

Genuinely don’t understand the concept of judging someone’s clothing to this extent!

Even majority of men ignore them, ending up drawing wrong kind of attention.

Yours?

Let’s just face it, women who wear these look desperate and thirsty. End of story.

There's a lot of women getting very het up about other women having different opinions to themselves. I think it's okay to say that you are either pro or anti bare arses in some public settings, state your reasons why and not be subjected to attacks on your character as a result.

I don't like bare arses in public swimming pools, or walking down the high street, or on the no. 27 bus. The only thing that you can accurately discern about me from that statement is exactly the words on the screen.

@disappearingfish

There's a lot of women getting very het up about other women having different opinions to themselves. I think it's okay to say that you are either pro or anti bare arses in some public settings, state your reasons why and not be subjected to attacks on your character as a result.

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