To think this just sums up XL Bully owners?

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Look North last night. Peter Levy is interviewing a woman who owns two XL Bullys. Both cropped and docked which she says happened in another country before she got them (yeah, course it did).

Peter asks her “so why do people want these dogs in the first place, what’s the attraction for you?”

She replies “well I wanted dogs that were good with kids and famines and stuff so we got XL Bully’s cos they’re great with kids”

Wtf? If I didn’t know better I’d swear this was a spoof interview. Good with kids and families?? These dogs have been responsible for the most human deaths in dog attacks in the UK in recent years!!! Just last week an 11 year CHILD was attacked by one of these dogs … so when looking for a child friendly dog she bypasses the golden retriever etc and goes for the breed with the biggest track record of killing humans …

He then asked her if she will comply with the muzzle when the laws are changed - she said NO.

Then the cherry on the cake … he asked her “would you leave your child alone with these dogs?” And she said “yes, absolutely. I leave my two year old alone with them all the time whilst I’m busy making dinner etc”

Honestly the interview couldn’t have been any more gobsmacking.

This just sums up XL bully owners doesn’t it? Thick as pig shit with no regard to their own safety or the safety of others.

@Oldsu if that is true that charity should be shut down. Trying to get around the law for what, to keep people homeless as they will not be eligible to be housed with a dog. Lawyers who are deliberately evil, nice.

I have two small dogs. My old bichon is temperamental and would never be rehomed. She was 7 weeks old when we got her. Was told she was 8 weeks. Looking back it was clearly a puppy farm. I moved her food bowl that first day we got her and she bit me. Even With lots of training and a behaviour specialist she still growls (she’s 10 now) if you move her food. She’s never bitten since but there’s absolutely no way I would have left her alone with the children when they were small. 99% of the time she’s absolutely lovely but I’m still wary of her around other people .

Our jack russel once bit my niece when she stepped on her tail - nasty bite too.

Any dog can bite. They are like people - even the most placid will ‘have an off day’ and act ‘out of character’. I’d rather that was a small dog you could fend off that a hulking big animal with a jaw that can wrap around your head.

100% this

Our small dog is sweet, gentle and obedient as anything, but one time my sister gave her a kiss on the head while she was sleeping, and she instinctively started and bit her cheek.

Was immediately submissive afterwards, but the situation was so much easier to handle (and the bite so much less serious) as she is such a small dog.

People with bigger dogs who say ‘oh XX would never bite’ just demonstrate they don’t know what they’re talking about – any dog could react unexpectedly. It’s not personal, it’s something you have to be aware of.

I honestly don’t understand why people feel the need to have any big dog, and don’t think anyone should have a dog they couldn’t physically overpower if it attacked.

Rescues shouldn't really be a thing, once a dog has been neglected or ill treated it is far too late.-

What a ridiculous overarching statement.

Any dog can bite (and most will if you step on their tail), but a smaller dog will inflict less damage, more slowly.

Any human can punch, but I'd sooner be punched by a 5 year old than by Tyson Fury.

Any dog can bite. But there’s a big difference between a single bite out of fear, pain or surprise, and a sustained attack. They are two completely different responses. The former is probably quite common, the second is possibly more breed dependent for dogs that are bred to attack/ fight/ kill.

By August 1896, Sacramento enacted a pit "bulldog" ordinance. The dogs are known as savage. Also, there is a public call to ban pit "bulldogs" in the City of Chicago after a series of attacks

As far back as 1896 these dogs were known to be lethal. Shocking that these beasts are still in existence.

you are totally missing the point its not about what damage the lab would do in comparison to the bully its about the fact that without that video showing that the bully was totally under control and was being jumped on and his face bitten and was virtually under attack then he would have been blamed if the lab was killed or injured, not the out of control lab because of his size and breed he would have automatically been seen as the aggressor.

Oh I get your point @Oldsu I just disagree with it. I'm also trying to explain to you why the bully will be the one that gets put down, and not necessarily the lab. It's as people have tried to explain, repeatedly. Bull dog breeds are very powerful and launch sustained attacks. Therefore, they will be treated differently from other dog breeds. From what you've said, the lab attacked the bully but the bully didn't react and was unharmed. But even you have admitted that the bully was capable of killing or injuring the lab - something that wouldn't have happened the other way around. That's why people are more worried about bull breeds than they are about labradors.

And when you think about it, if legislation was properly drawn up, it would benefit all breeds. If it concentrated on responsible ownership, training and breeding of all dogs, then all dogs would be better off. I've seen attacks similar to the one @BellaAndDave described, but between two equally matched dogs. They are absolutely horrific to witness. I won't go into details but they really are stomach churning. So yes, I'll be far more wary around these big, powerful breeds.

humanity15 spot on with you post, you can no more train out instinct, which is hard wired into the psyche, than I can train myself to stop fidgeting! I'm a terrible fidget, despite having numerous punishments for fidgeting in school.
There are numerous breeds which are hard wired to guard or fight. Some breeds you can train to guard and take a person down with only minimal injury eg Alsatians. Most 'shepherding' breeds, only make suitable family dogs with proper training. Growing up on a farm we had working collies. Awesome dogs, very intelligent, very responsive, but they aren't cuddly, fluffy pets, these are serious working dogs, which need to be out in the field for several hours.
Collies are hard wired to 'nip', this is so an errant flock member 'gets back into the fold', as a result sometimes you'll find a collie from working stock will still nip, if a member of the flock (human flock) is out of line. The difference between a 'nip' and proper aggressive bite is huge.... but it's absolutely not okay for any dog to bite or nip, but my point is all dogs have different instincts.
There is a very good reason why; spaniels make excellent customs dogs; Alsatians make excellent police/ shepherding dogs; collies make very good herding dogs, retrievers make the best guide dogs; Newfoundland's, St.Bernard's and Pyrenees mountain dogs all make excellent mountain rescue dogs. Jack Russells are very hard to train to get 100% recall, their instinct is to get on the trail of wildlife and hunt it down, but with good training they can make excellent family pets; And many bull breeds (staffies, pits, xl,) were all specifically bred for fighting, it would take years, and years of breeding to breed out that instinct. Bull breeds are also extremely energetic and like the collies I grew up with, need to be out walking / running for several hours a day. They aren't designed to live in cooped up conditions with only an hour or two of exercise.

There are no legitimately good reasons to own one of these dogs rather than any one of the many safer breeds out there. Whatever wonderful characteristic people think they see in an XL Bully can be found in other dogs without the unnecessary risk. XL Their strength and aggression are exactly why people buy them, even if they're not honest enough to admit it.

To be fair to staffies (proper, small staffies that meet the breed standard), they've been bred to have suitable pet temperaments for a very long time now, since dog-fighting was made illegal in the UK.

I think unfortunately they are crossed or backyard-bred for people that want something other than a nice pet.

once a dog has been neglected or ill treated it is far too late.

@Boomboom22 same as children in foster care then.

You are sick
How can you compare kids to dogs.

This is exactly the sort of crap dog owners come out with. Honestly. If you can't see the difference there is no hope!

What a gross comment. Shame on you.

well I think the point of the comparison is to highlight what an uncaring, bleak (and ill-informed) comment @Boomboom22 made

Crikey @VeterinaryCareAssistant massive 🙄 on your behalf

It’s obvious to anyone with more than 2 brain cells what you meant

It appears that many of the XL bully owners are now trying to 're-home' or hand off to rescues. I don't know who would want to re home them but if they did surely that is a risk, to break the bond with their previous owners. It's a disaster waiting to happen

Nobody with half a braincell is going to want to re-home a chav beast, hopefully the "rescue" centres will see sense and just put them to sleep. Spending your life locked in a cage in a "rescue" centre is no life for any animal.

Once they're banned, they won't have any alternative but to put them down if they're handed in.

I suspect part of this influx of people wanting to rehome XL Bullies is people who have been umming and ahhing about trying to re-home an undertrained, oversized dog. They've now realised it's now or never - and never is going to be more faffy than they thought.

The point of these dogs is that a lot of them have had aggression bred into them. Treating them badly won't help things certainly but loving them won't make them into wonderful family pets. They have genetic traits that no amount of training and love can overcome. Some won't "snap" but others will and you just cannot predict which ones or what will trigger them.

If an adult individual wants to take risks with their safety, that's one thing. Although, I absolutely believe that yes the dogs should be muzzled in public. But I cannot fathom why anyone with children in the home would take that chance. The videos online of babies and toddlers cuddled up to these dogs sends a shiver down my spine. Even if the chance of your dog turning is miniscule (which I don't think it is with these dogs!) why would you take it? A dog that you won't be able to over power. People who've seen their pets ripped apart by these dogs are traumatised. Imagine watching that happen to your own child.

I agree it isn't the dogs fault. But actually, from everything I've read, for the dogs sake it's better to ban them. Even if they're not used for barbaric dog fights, which is what a lot of them are bred for. A lot of them are owned by people who don't care for them properly. The inbreeding causes a lot of issues. I suspect a lot of them don't actually have a happy life.

The thing is I do know some soft and lovely supposedly dangerous dogs....but I also know that certain breeds do have inherent behavior traits that are difficult to train out.
So while any dog can be aggressive, and it's owners that are the real problem...the problem with dangerous breeds is that a) they have been bread over years for fighting/aggression and b) if they do get aggressive they are too big/strong to control and can do immense amount of damage.

Then you add in that many owners of these dogs are absolutely attracted to that "look" for a reason...because they value the aggressive look, and they want a macho dog....so they encourage it.

From what I read the rescues are full and turning them away. It was DM though 🤣

Animal shelters inundated with requests to home XL Bullies after ban
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