To think this just sums up XL Bully owners?

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Look North last night. Peter Levy is interviewing a woman who owns two XL Bullys. Both cropped and docked which she says happened in another country before she got them (yeah, course it did).

Peter asks her “so why do people want these dogs in the first place, what’s the attraction for you?”

She replies “well I wanted dogs that were good with kids and famines and stuff so we got XL Bully’s cos they’re great with kids”

Wtf? If I didn’t know better I’d swear this was a spoof interview. Good with kids and families?? These dogs have been responsible for the most human deaths in dog attacks in the UK in recent years!!! Just last week an 11 year CHILD was attacked by one of these dogs … so when looking for a child friendly dog she bypasses the golden retriever etc and goes for the breed with the biggest track record of killing humans …

He then asked her if she will comply with the muzzle when the laws are changed - she said NO.

Then the cherry on the cake … he asked her “would you leave your child alone with these dogs?” And she said “yes, absolutely. I leave my two year old alone with them all the time whilst I’m busy making dinner etc”

Honestly the interview couldn’t have been any more gobsmacking.

This just sums up XL bully owners doesn’t it? Thick as pig shit with no regard to their own safety or the safety of others.

it was bred from the american pit bull terrier, which was banned,
it is illogical that we have them in uk

If you Google Labrador x staffy you will see how many look like XL bullies

Googled it and it showed images of dogs that look like a cross between a staffy and a labrador, nothing like this

It hasn’t been a failure, there are hardly any deaths by actual pit bulls now.
There’s nothing that’s going to stop absolutely everything. There will always be people doing bad things.
But banning the bully xl which is causing a massive proportion of the current deaths is a good start, and part of the solution.

Breeding also needs to be highly regulated to a set of standards. There’s no reason why we can’t have a range of interventions working together.

I wouldn't say it's been a total failure, it's just that people have eventually found a way around it. The law should NOW be tightened up to include breeding from a banned dog type, to stop people trying to circumvent the rules.

I think there should be rules surrounding breeding anyway, most of it is done for money with no thought for the health of the dogs, it's supply and demand, the breeders couldn't give two shits about them or where they go, it should be 100% licensed and regulated IMO.

Yep. YANBU. All the people I know with these type of dogs are the same type of people. Sorry… but it’s true.

The breed ban has been a total failure, and it’s widely recognised as an ill thought, hasty piece of legislation. If it had worked, there would be NO pit bulls in the UK now.

My ex had an XL bully and it was the dopiest dog I have ever met. He was actually attacked in a mugging attempt and the dog ran away scared of its own shadow and didn’t display any violence, even to protect its owner. It was a well trained dog, he actually hated people complimenting his dog because he knew they liked the dog because of its appearance and it wasn’t how he raised it to be. His dog does not have its ears cropped either. So no, not all owners.

That being said, I agree that you can’t argue with statistics and the biggest advocates for these dogs I’m seeing online have the dogs ears cropped and have chain collars. And they are proclaiming ‘big softies’ which some are. But why would they put that kind of look on their dog then.

Beagles have beautiful faces.

Act 1991.
“That ban has been very successful. And we know that because for example, in the UK, we have half the per capita deaths to dogs that the US does, and that difference is entirely explained by pit bulls.” He said, pit bulls were responsible for about 60% of deaths to dogs in the US.

I think that people who own breeds that they might struggle to control ( so those over a certain weight ) should be made to take out third party insurance by law, and be required to muzzle them in public. Breeders can facilitate getting the puppies used to wearing a muzzle, if done slowly and properly it isn't torture or a bad thing for the dog. All those who own this particular breed have plenty of time to do this with adult dogs before it becomes law. I know a couple of people who had to muzzle train their much smaller dogs due to a stone swallowing habit, the dogs still enjoy their walks and no longer cost a fortune in vets bills or are at risk of dying.

I think they all have beautiful faces - most of them!

@Greenshake but we have lots of different legislation against many things that people ignore or get around, that doesn't stop it being good legislation and just because a minority see fit to break a law it doesn't mean the law isn't right.

I don’t really give a shit if their owners are thick chavs or not. I don’t want you to convince me that you’re university educated and have a professional job in the city and speak five languages and that your XL is a ‘friendly giant’.

I do give a shit that you keep your deadly beast muzzled and on a lead when you’re having a walk. Keep your animal away from my little dog and my kids. Make sure you can control them because if you can’t and my precious dog and children get injured or god forbid mauled to death because you can’t get it into your thick skull that your dog might not hurt you or your family, but it might bloody well hurt others and have lasting effects.

Honestly? If you own these types of dogs and they hurt or kill someone, it should be GBH or manslaughter. You don’t even need to ban them - just make it clear to the owners that if anything happens they’re going straight to jail. They might just about understand that type of language.

May I suggest that you have an eye test.

It really is.

You don’t ever see them being walked in nice villages… just around the council estates.

Nonsense. I live in a very middle class Surrey town next to a small village…and people have them here.

A real American Pit Bull Terrier is not big, fat, and sloppy. They're extremely athletic with bags of energy and stamina. True 'game bred' pit bulls are generally not like these muscle laden monstrosities as they need to be able to fight, sometimes for hours.

Aside from a very small number of dogs like the enormous Kangal (higher bite force than an African lion and bred to defend livestock from panthers etc) there's nothing that can take down a pitbull. Even rottweilers, mastiffs, etc, get savaged because they don't have the same method of biting and shaking/tearing and relentlessly attacking regardless of pain.

The main issue with the breed ban is that it ties people up in legal arguments about ‘type’ because there isn’t a reliable way to say what is or isn’t a pit bull/ XL bully/American bulldog. The owners who are intelligent reasonable people will comply with temperament testing, leashing and muzzling in public, neutering and registering, in order to keep their dogs. The people who are already a problem to society in all sorts of other ways won’t - and who will enforce the rules? The police aren’t interested until a human is badly hurt (which unfortunately often means dead) and the dog warden service is woefully underfunded.
We need expensive dog licensing to be brought back for all dogs, with the proceeds funding many more enforcement dog officers, and much more stringent licensing conditions for breeders (of any breed) and owners of any big powerful breed (say 30kg+) along with much harsher penalties for owners of dogs that cause injury or death.
It will unfortunately penalise the responsible owners along with the bad but the current situation can’t continue.
There is an opportunity to start to put right a lot of the problems with indiscriminate breeding and overpopulation leading to culling in rescue, puppy farming, welfare problems of extreme conformation and problem dog behaviour, but I suspect it will be wasted.

If you say so but it’s bullshit.

Everyone knows what brainless rough idiots keep these dogs.

This is such an accurate and insightful
Comment...I would never have thought of it that way until you said it but now that you've said it it makes so much sense

Contrary to what most people think a real pit bull will destroy an XL bully 99% of the time. I'm not convinced that banning bullies will stop the dangerous dog problem even if it's a start.

Yeah I really wish people weren't hyper focussing on the XL Bully as a breed in its own right.

Let's call it what it is - a fucking pitbull for the most part

They’re also the namaste yoga lover who rescued the xl bully and believes her feminine strength has conquered him (like taming a bad boy but holistic 🙄) there’s a few on YouTube. God help them if that dog turns, because they have NO chance of controlling it and all the sage and reiki in the world ain’t going to help!

@TinglingTangling its not bullshit at all! If you don’t believe me, that’s your issue.

You don’t ever see them being walked in nice villages… just around the council estates.

I thought the man killed recently by two xl bullies lived in a village ? Regardless everyone deserves the same level of safety, it shouldn't matter if they live in social housing or a nice village. The risk of being mauled to death by dogs should be zero in either locality !