Page 17 | To think this what the Russel Brand story is meant to bury?

madamreign · 2023-09-19T05:58:49+00:00

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-66839314 It's not half as salacious, possibly a bit dry and dull to most people. But it's fucking constitutional dynamite

LaffTaff · 19/09/2023 12:15

RedToothBrush · 19/09/2023 12:03

So the subject of deliberate online grooming echo chambers on social media isn't a concern in its own way.

Not because its 'a threat to the establishment', but often they are more of a threat to ordinary people.

They come in the form of online economic scams designed to fleece people, they come in the form of encouraging harms to large groups of individuals (typically women), they come in the form of trying to politically manipulate for power (Trump), some engage in open harassment of individuals and occasionally they directly make calls to arms - these can be terrorist (religiously based, far left, far right and any other form of extremism you care to mention) in nature or individually targetted. All tend to engage in exploitation or dehumanisation in some way. All look for a range of sources and explainations - the narrative is very black and white with a Good v Bad rather than a nuanced approach and a breakdown into reasonable debate.

Its basically characterised by ranty bollocks. And Brand is King of Ranty Bollocks in more ways than one.

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The bottom line is that sex sells; we're merely in an age where sexual victimhood sells better than sexual promiscuity. Do I think the media (and I include documentary makers) is motivated by injustice? No.

As a woman, I don't consider where we're at now as particularly progressive. In fact, on reflection, I think I preferred the girl power freedom of the 90's.

whatwasthatgrandma · 19/09/2023 12:15

Jumpingthruhoops · 19/09/2023 11:59

Not quite. Conspiracy theories are a direct response to a shortage of facts.
People know they're not being told the truth, so do their own reasearch.

Russell's YT content would pick apart official govt documents and the like, giving people answers that were otherwise being hidden.

So these aren't theories at all, they're facts that we're not being told about. There is a HUGE difference!

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Bunkum. there's no shortage of facts at all, they just don't like the facts. So they "do their own research" ie they look for alternative facts, also known as NOT FACTS.

He didn't give people answers that were being hidden, ffs, anymore than QAnon or Andrew Wakefield. He gave them conspiracy theories and lies and utter nonsense.

And now we know why he's being doing all that. Its working.

actualpuffins · 19/09/2023 12:18

I think I preferred the girl power freedom of the 90's.

I massively prefer being in my 40s and not getting the daily sexual harassment I got in my teens and 20s in the 1990s and having to fight against constant laddish, misogynistic "banter" and see it all over on television and the rest of the media.

MrsDanversGlidesAgain · 19/09/2023 12:18

Russell's YT content would pick apart official govt documents and the like, giving people answers that were otherwise being hidden

If they're in the public domain and presumably freely available to read by anyone who cares to, then they aren't being hidden.

user9630721458 · 19/09/2023 12:22

LaffTaff · 19/09/2023 12:15

The bottom line is that sex sells; we're merely in an age where sexual victimhood sells better than sexual promiscuity. Do I think the media (and I include documentary makers) is motivated by injustice? No.

As a woman, I don't consider where we're at now as particularly progressive. In fact, on reflection, I think I preferred the girl power freedom of the 90's.

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The 90s were bad for sexism in the workplace, as I remember. On the other hand I don't remember choking and other violent acts during sex even being a thing. Nobody I knew even thought that was part of a normal sexual encounter, but (arguably) it seems known about and even common these days. Which I find very worrying.

LaffTaff · 19/09/2023 12:24

actualpuffins · 19/09/2023 12:18

I think I preferred the girl power freedom of the 90's.

I massively prefer being in my 40s and not getting the daily sexual harassment I got in my teens and 20s in the 1990s and having to fight against constant laddish, misogynistic "banter" and see it all over on television and the rest of the media.

Good for you.

Lots of women did and do enjoy their own banter, enjoy(ed) being young and attractive and indulging their freedoms and sexuality as it suited them. Lots of women did and do feel powerful, and not remotely oppressed 🙂

RedToothBrush · 19/09/2023 12:26

MrsDanversGlidesAgain · 19/09/2023 12:18

Russell's YT content would pick apart official govt documents and the like, giving people answers that were otherwise being hidden

If they're in the public domain and presumably freely available to read by anyone who cares to, then they aren't being hidden.

The super secret freely available to the public information put there for the benefit of the public.

The government which is seemingly capable of a mass conspiracy theory to remove power and information from the public seem to be being a little bit shit on actually doing the suppression of information thing there.

The bigger issue is actually public apathy because the public don't bother to read this stuff and instead rely on the selective rehashing and misrepresentation of it, to a guilable audience who think they are somehow then in on a super secret story no one else has access to.

If it wasn't such a big problem, it'd be bloody hilarous.

Quercus30 · 19/09/2023 12:37

Whilst I've been enjoying watching the Kunsberg series, none of it it's new news. It was obvious years ago than Johnson was dangerous and would likely be shit at his job.

Jumpingthruhoops · 19/09/2023 12:38

MidnightOnceMore · 19/09/2023 12:03

Conspiracy theories give only made up 'answers'.

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Yes, conspiracy theories do. These aren't conspiracy theories; these are presentations of facts from respected publications like The Lancet, the BMJ and official govt websites that are in the public domain but you have to dig to find them. Unless of course you're suggesting The Lancet is no longer a respected publication??

Fact is, most people can't be bothered to dig and just believe what they're told via MSM and dismiss anything that challenges the 'preferred narrative' as a conspiracy theory. It's SOOOOO boring.

Jumpingthruhoops · 19/09/2023 12:41

ThatsMsAtomicBob · 19/09/2023 12:09

Hey @Jumpingthruhoops his account hasn't been suspended. They've just removed ads from it. Big difference there, as YouTube don't have to include people in their monetisation programme.

Who would want their ads running on his channel anyway? A vanishingly small number of big spenders.

I stand corrected. At least that means all those dismissing him as a conspiracy theorist will be able to watch his content without ads to decide for themselves. That's assuming people ARE still allowed to decide things for themselves... 🤔

MrsDanversGlidesAgain · 19/09/2023 12:42

Fact is, most people can't be bothered to dig and just believe what they're told via MSM and dismiss anything that challenges the 'preferred narrative' as a conspiracy theory. It's SOOOOO boring

And I'm sure the interprations that the likes of Brand present to their followers aren't following their own 'preferred narrative' at all.

Stoic123 · 19/09/2023 12:43

Might be a bit of 'Take out the Trash Day' going on but a co-ordinated plan? Nope.

There are some credulous people on this thread.

duc748 · 19/09/2023 12:43

Anyone who's spent much time on MN lately should be well aware that yes, there is plenty to criticise The Lancet for (and Scientific American, and other journals). You don't need RB to discover this, though.

WeaselCheeks · 19/09/2023 12:44

I don't think that the Brand story has been put out to cover anything up. He is a has-been that's just been putting out self-produced videos on social media for years because his career went down the shitter due to his behaviour - he's not exactly a threat to 'the establishment', but he is a former household name, whose past exploits raises questions about how much he was protected and enabled by broadcasters (much like Saville, Westwood, Harris, etc).

No-one gives a shit about Boris and constitutional crisises, because we all know he was a law-breaking incompetent shitbag but didn't really face any consequences for it. The last few years have been a succession of Tory nonsense, criminality and constitutional weirdness, so it's just another thing to add to the pile that'll get shrugged off.

duc748 · 19/09/2023 12:45

WeaselCheeks · 19/09/2023 12:44

I don't think that the Brand story has been put out to cover anything up. He is a has-been that's just been putting out self-produced videos on social media for years because his career went down the shitter due to his behaviour - he's not exactly a threat to 'the establishment', but he is a former household name, whose past exploits raises questions about how much he was protected and enabled by broadcasters (much like Saville, Westwood, Harris, etc).

No-one gives a shit about Boris and constitutional crisises, because we all know he was a law-breaking incompetent shitbag but didn't really face any consequences for it. The last few years have been a succession of Tory nonsense, criminality and constitutional weirdness, so it's just another thing to add to the pile that'll get shrugged off.

Exactly.

EmmaPaella · 19/09/2023 12:50

WeaselCheeks · 19/09/2023 12:44

I don't think that the Brand story has been put out to cover anything up. He is a has-been that's just been putting out self-produced videos on social media for years because his career went down the shitter due to his behaviour - he's not exactly a threat to 'the establishment', but he is a former household name, whose past exploits raises questions about how much he was protected and enabled by broadcasters (much like Saville, Westwood, Harris, etc).

No-one gives a shit about Boris and constitutional crisises, because we all know he was a law-breaking incompetent shitbag but didn't really face any consequences for it. The last few years have been a succession of Tory nonsense, criminality and constitutional weirdness, so it's just another thing to add to the pile that'll get shrugged off.

Agree. Brand’s career has floundered since years ago because of himself. Maybe he resents ‘the establishment’ because of that but actually he only has himself to blame. I’ve barely registered him since Sachsgate.

RedToothBrush · 19/09/2023 12:51

duc748 · 19/09/2023 12:43

Anyone who's spent much time on MN lately should be well aware that yes, there is plenty to criticise The Lancet for (and Scientific American, and other journals). You don't need RB to discover this, though.

This!

Just cos its published in the Lancet, doesn't mean you take the report conclusion at face value. You don't look at it in isolation and fail to look at other reports on the same subject. You don't just completely ignore the methodology or fail to consider whether the report has significant flaws.

The likes of Ben Goldacre and Margaret McCartney have written extensively on the problems of 'cherry picking' from Big Pharma etc.

However the likes of Brand are doing EXACTLY the same thing.

They aren't doing something revolutionary or new. They are just repeating the flaws from a different perseptive rather than acting in a credible way as per the ways identified by the above mentioned to reduce the harms this is doing.

Honestly, its just spoonfeeding alternative sourced rubbish.

Abhannmor · 19/09/2023 12:52

Yes there's lots of information in the public domain. Who has the time to read through essay length papers on eg Covid , full of baffling stats and graphs?

That's why I used to watch J Campbells videos - until late 2021. He would collate and summarise reports from different countries during the pandemic. Then he went all in on Ivermectin and his viewing figure took off $$$. Now balls deep in it but it pleases his new 🇺🇸 audience.

Same with Brand. Boilerplate conspiracy bollocks but delivered in his charming ' British ' accent. Full of dreadful non sequiturs and cherry picking. I expect he'll bounce back - his huge fan base in La La Land don't care about a story in little old England. After all they think the Queen controlled the cocaine trade ffs.

ThatsMsAtomicBob · 19/09/2023 12:54

Fact is, most people can't be bothered to dig and just believe what they're told via MSM and dismiss anything that challenges the 'preferred narrative' as a conspiracy theory. It's SOOOOO boring.

And a lot of people who buy into the Brand/Rogan/Peterson bullshit just swallow their narrative because it's perceived as going against the mainstream. It's not "research". How is that any different?

readingmakesmehappy · 19/09/2023 12:54

The BBC have broadcast this (excellent) Laura Kuenssberg series to coincide with the first anniversary of Liz Truss's disastrous time at No 10. Hence the timing. It is being shown on BBC2, prominently placed on iPlayer and promoted across all the BBC's other channels and outlets. Not buried.

Channel 4 is an entirely separate organisation and a fierce competitor to the BBC. They do not coordinate stories like this.

Grow up.

BringMeTea · 19/09/2023 12:55

Don't talk such rubbish OP.

CherryMaDeara · 19/09/2023 12:56

Jumpingthruhoops · 19/09/2023 12:06

Mmm... I think his 6.5million followers probably care.

As for who the establishment is that I'm referring to, it'll be any person or organsation that Russell has called out in his many YouTube videos, so I would say best you watch that for any information you require.

Oh, except you can't now as his account has been suspended. On the contrary, I reckon he will have grounds to sue now for loss of earnings.

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As for who the establishment is that I'm referring to, it'll be any person or organsation that Russell has called out in his many YouTube videos, so I would say best you watch that for any information you require.

This is genuinely hilarious, you can't name anyone can you? The establishment? Where's that? The chippy down the road?

MrsDanversGlidesAgain · 19/09/2023 12:59

it'll be any person or organsation that Russell has called out in his many YouTube videos,

'Called out.' 😂Bet they're really REALLY scared.

MidnightOnceMore · 19/09/2023 13:00

Jumpingthruhoops · 19/09/2023 12:38

Yes, conspiracy theories do. These aren't conspiracy theories; these are presentations of facts from respected publications like The Lancet, the BMJ and official govt websites that are in the public domain but you have to dig to find them. Unless of course you're suggesting The Lancet is no longer a respected publication??

Fact is, most people can't be bothered to dig and just believe what they're told via MSM and dismiss anything that challenges the 'preferred narrative' as a conspiracy theory. It's SOOOOO boring.

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What you call 'presentations of facts' I maintain are simply conspiracy theories.

If you can tell us a conspiracy theory that has any substance, I'll gladly read it.

OhComeOnFFS · 19/09/2023 13:00

GrowUpWoman · 19/09/2023 07:01

I said this to DH yesterday, I agree.

I know Channel 4 is involved with the RB story too but whenever there’s a big Sunday Times/Sun scoop I wonder what we’re being distracted from.

The Huw Edwards thing all came out the same time as Boris’ WhatsApp messages and refusing to hand over his phone.

The Huw Edwards thing was perfectly timed to cover up the email sent to George Osborne's wedding guests about him having sex in the toilets with a sixteen year old who was too drunk to walk. If you look at the timings, it cannot be a coincidence.