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To think this what the Russel Brand story is meant to bury?

519 replies

madamreign · 19/09/2023 06:58

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-66839314

It's not half as salacious, possibly a bit dry and dull to most people.

But it's fucking constitutional dynamite

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LaffTaff · 19/09/2023 11:55

We're all aware that the phrase 'a good day to bury bad news' is well versed in the echelons of political establishment. The link being suggested here though is a bit too tenuous, imo, to apply in this case.

It IS a fair suggestion though that RB putting himself out there as an anti establishment 'truth seeker' (and doing so incredibly successfully; millions of followers) could be what piqued the interest of the C4 documentary makers. Not to mention the media's 'progressive' shift away from treating women as objects to treating us as victims (the term 'victim feminism' springs to mind); judging by some of the partisan opinion posted on MN the past few days, the media narrative has been well embraced.

I absolutely agree that the women making these allegations should be treated with sensitivity and respect, however it's not 'victim blaming' to acknowledge that scepticism may (should) abound when all that has been established is one person's word against another's.

MechaBuilder · 19/09/2023 11:55

Jumpingthruhoops · 19/09/2023 11:53

Not at all. I don't dispute any of those things happened. Russell has been open about his addictions and womanising.

That still doesn't make him a rapist.

My point is that the only reason you think it's been a four-year investigation is because TST and Channel 4 told you! Don't you think the timing especially is all a bit... random?

The establishment/globalist media have been looking for a way to take him down. This is it.

No. I think they finally had enough evidence to go public without being sued. No one gives a toss about Russell Brand. He isn’t some amazing underground guru revealing big secrets.

Who do you mean exactly by the establishment? Can you give me some names and job titles?

LondonLass91 · 19/09/2023 11:57

Friths · 19/09/2023 11:29

@LondonLass91
yes it is about believing women because the denial of women's experiences is central to our oppression.

I don't have to believe any allegations, unless I choose to. I believe in innocent until proven guilty. If you choose to believe allegations before they have been proven, that is up to you. Just because we are women does not mean we have to agree because of 'sisterhood solidarity'.

Jumpingthruhoops · 19/09/2023 11:59

MidnightOnceMore · 19/09/2023 11:44

I genuinely don't understand how people who think the world works this way cope with life.

Conspiracy theories are a coping mechanism. Humans find uncertainty emotionally troubling. Conspiracy theories are very soothing - it means there is order, the chaos is illusory. It is also soothing to believe that you 'know' more than the sheeple do.

Conspiracy theories increase when there is turmoil/chaos - as during COVID - because more people need to seek the comfort of 'knowing' it's all a plan.

Conspiracy theories are a response to fear.

Not quite. Conspiracy theories are a direct response to a shortage of facts.
People know they're not being told the truth, so do their own reasearch.

Russell's YT content would pick apart official govt documents and the like, giving people answers that were otherwise being hidden.

So these aren't theories at all, they're facts that we're not being told about. There is a HUGE difference!

user9630721458 · 19/09/2023 11:59

Wanderingllama · 19/09/2023 09:34

In case of Maxwell, didn't she have a black book of clients? Now that would be expose most world would watch

I think it was Epstein's book, and has been discussed by journalists and online. There are some very surprising names, but presumably, just because you flew to the island or Epstein had your number, that's not enough to justify investigating.

MrsDanversGlidesAgain · 19/09/2023 12:00

The establishment/globalist media have been looking for a way to take him down. This is it

Who exactly are the 'establishment/globalist media' and why are they so threatened by a grubby sex pest ranting on YT that they have to take him down?

Or is that one of those questions that gets the answer 'do your own research'?

madamreign · 19/09/2023 12:01

LaffTaff · 19/09/2023 11:55

We're all aware that the phrase 'a good day to bury bad news' is well versed in the echelons of political establishment. The link being suggested here though is a bit too tenuous, imo, to apply in this case.

It IS a fair suggestion though that RB putting himself out there as an anti establishment 'truth seeker' (and doing so incredibly successfully; millions of followers) could be what piqued the interest of the C4 documentary makers. Not to mention the media's 'progressive' shift away from treating women as objects to treating us as victims (the term 'victim feminism' springs to mind); judging by some of the partisan opinion posted on MN the past few days, the media narrative has been well embraced.

I absolutely agree that the women making these allegations should be treated with sensitivity and respect, however it's not 'victim blaming' to acknowledge that scepticism may (should) abound when all that has been established is one person's word against another's.

I had no idea he was doing that until all this came out.

This feels wrong. It's distraction politics.

Prince Andrew got away with it. I imagine Brand will too

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duc748 · 19/09/2023 12:01

Can anyone give any examples of these 'truths' that RB has revealed on YouTube, that had been previously hidden by the evil MSM?

MrsDanversGlidesAgain · 19/09/2023 12:03

Conspiracy theories are a direct response to a shortage of facts.
People know they're not being told the truth, so do their own reasearch

AKA 'make lurid things up on Twitter and YouTube.'

Janettttt · 19/09/2023 12:03

MidnightOnceMore · 19/09/2023 11:51

Agree there is no point arguing.

The worry is the rapid rise in number during COVID. It's a bit of a one-way road - hard to talk yourself back from this thinking.

What society does about the increased number who now think this way I don't know.

RB would have been in a very privileged position during Covid. In the privileged position of being able to sit at home in the safety of his fantasy world.

I really don’t envy these people though, not being able to tolerate reality.

RedToothBrush · 19/09/2023 12:03

LaffTaff · 19/09/2023 11:55

We're all aware that the phrase 'a good day to bury bad news' is well versed in the echelons of political establishment. The link being suggested here though is a bit too tenuous, imo, to apply in this case.

It IS a fair suggestion though that RB putting himself out there as an anti establishment 'truth seeker' (and doing so incredibly successfully; millions of followers) could be what piqued the interest of the C4 documentary makers. Not to mention the media's 'progressive' shift away from treating women as objects to treating us as victims (the term 'victim feminism' springs to mind); judging by some of the partisan opinion posted on MN the past few days, the media narrative has been well embraced.

I absolutely agree that the women making these allegations should be treated with sensitivity and respect, however it's not 'victim blaming' to acknowledge that scepticism may (should) abound when all that has been established is one person's word against another's.

So the subject of deliberate online grooming echo chambers on social media isn't a concern in its own way.

Not because its 'a threat to the establishment', but often they are more of a threat to ordinary people.

They come in the form of online economic scams designed to fleece people, they come in the form of encouraging harms to large groups of individuals (typically women), they come in the form of trying to politically manipulate for power (Trump), some engage in open harassment of individuals and occasionally they directly make calls to arms - these can be terrorist (religiously based, far left, far right and any other form of extremism you care to mention) in nature or individually targetted. All tend to engage in exploitation or dehumanisation in some way. All look for a range of sources and explainations - the narrative is very black and white with a Good v Bad rather than a nuanced approach and a breakdown into reasonable debate.

Its basically characterised by ranty bollocks. And Brand is King of Ranty Bollocks in more ways than one.

MidnightOnceMore · 19/09/2023 12:03

Jumpingthruhoops · 19/09/2023 11:59

Not quite. Conspiracy theories are a direct response to a shortage of facts.
People know they're not being told the truth, so do their own reasearch.

Russell's YT content would pick apart official govt documents and the like, giving people answers that were otherwise being hidden.

So these aren't theories at all, they're facts that we're not being told about. There is a HUGE difference!

Conspiracy theories give only made up 'answers'.

MrsDanversGlidesAgain · 19/09/2023 12:03

duc748 · 19/09/2023 12:01

Can anyone give any examples of these 'truths' that RB has revealed on YouTube, that had been previously hidden by the evil MSM?

And where did he find them out, exactly?

madamreign · 19/09/2023 12:03

duc748 · 19/09/2023 12:01

Can anyone give any examples of these 'truths' that RB has revealed on YouTube, that had been previously hidden by the evil MSM?

What for?

He's a twunt

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IClaudine · 19/09/2023 12:04

madamreign · 19/09/2023 11:01

Oh ok then, let's not bother trying to get rapists behind bars.

Well, tbf that is actually the current position we find ourselves in. The police certainly don't put much effort into it and some are rapists themselves.

Jumpingthruhoops · 19/09/2023 12:06

MechaBuilder · 19/09/2023 11:55

No. I think they finally had enough evidence to go public without being sued. No one gives a toss about Russell Brand. He isn’t some amazing underground guru revealing big secrets.

Who do you mean exactly by the establishment? Can you give me some names and job titles?

Mmm... I think his 6.5million followers probably care.

As for who the establishment is that I'm referring to, it'll be any person or organsation that Russell has called out in his many YouTube videos, so I would say best you watch that for any information you require.

Oh, except you can't now as his account has been suspended. On the contrary, I reckon he will have grounds to sue now for loss of earnings.

ThatsMsAtomicBob · 19/09/2023 12:09

Hey @Jumpingthruhoops his account hasn't been suspended. They've just removed ads from it. Big difference there, as YouTube don't have to include people in their monetisation programme.

Who would want their ads running on his channel anyway? A vanishingly small number of big spenders.

RedToothBrush · 19/09/2023 12:09

Jumpingthruhoops · 19/09/2023 11:59

Not quite. Conspiracy theories are a direct response to a shortage of facts.
People know they're not being told the truth, so do their own reasearch.

Russell's YT content would pick apart official govt documents and the like, giving people answers that were otherwise being hidden.

So these aren't theories at all, they're facts that we're not being told about. There is a HUGE difference!

No thats NOT facts.

Anyone can pick government documents apart and look clever.

This doesn't mean what they claim to be saying has merit. You need to do a little better than that I'm afraid.

You've been blinded by performance cherry picking to look intelligent.

Brand doesn't like being challenged nor engaging with debate. He rants into camera or talks over others. When it all gets too much he resorts to ad homien attacks and other propaganda techiques. There is very little substance or balance to his points. A good argument is measured and is respectful of the counter argument.

If you pick apart what he says they are easy to identify by anyone who has knowledge of them.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Propaganda_techniques

Propaganda techniques - Wikipedia

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Propaganda_techniques

IClaudine · 19/09/2023 12:09

As for who the establishment is that I'm referring to, it'll be any person or organsation that Russell has called out in his many YouTube videos, so I would say best you watch that for any information you require

Or maybe you just enlighten us? Why won't you give us the specifics?

MechaBuilder · 19/09/2023 12:10

Jumpingthruhoops · 19/09/2023 12:06

Mmm... I think his 6.5million followers probably care.

As for who the establishment is that I'm referring to, it'll be any person or organsation that Russell has called out in his many YouTube videos, so I would say best you watch that for any information you require.

Oh, except you can't now as his account has been suspended. On the contrary, I reckon he will have grounds to sue now for loss of earnings.

And his 11million followers on Twitter, but I’m not talking about his followers. I’m talking about those in power, those who would be able to demand such a take down?

And again, please can you give me some names and job titles? Brand has talked about Covid and lockdown, the same as most other people did as Covid started. So again, the government don’t care. So who has orchestrated this take down?

ThatsMsAtomicBob · 19/09/2023 12:10

If you're going to talk about FACTS @Jumpingthruhoops, three minutes on YouTube would have shown you that his channel is still there, with all his videos.

MrsDanversGlidesAgain · 19/09/2023 12:11

IClaudine · 19/09/2023 12:09

As for who the establishment is that I'm referring to, it'll be any person or organsation that Russell has called out in his many YouTube videos, so I would say best you watch that for any information you require

Or maybe you just enlighten us? Why won't you give us the specifics?

Because you're supposed to 'do your own research.' It's shorthand for 'I haven't the faintest idea what I'm talking about, but I'm credulous enough to believe all this shite.'

RedToothBrush · 19/09/2023 12:12

Jumpingthruhoops · 19/09/2023 12:06

Mmm... I think his 6.5million followers probably care.

As for who the establishment is that I'm referring to, it'll be any person or organsation that Russell has called out in his many YouTube videos, so I would say best you watch that for any information you require.

Oh, except you can't now as his account has been suspended. On the contrary, I reckon he will have grounds to sue now for loss of earnings.

He can crack on then. I wish him good luck and await the verdict.

I hope he understands the Reynolds Defence otherwise he could find himself regretting not asking for a share of his ex-wife's estate when they divorced.

IClaudine · 19/09/2023 12:13

Oh, except you can't now as his account has been suspended. On the contrary, I reckon he will have grounds to sue now for loss of earnings

Advertising has been suspended on Brand's YouTube channel, the content hasn't.

ChocolateCinderToffee · 19/09/2023 12:15

Jumpingthruhoops · 19/09/2023 11:41

'They' would be the establishment.

The BBC is basically the PR arm.

Might have guessed someone would be along to blame the BBC.

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