(Covid) To think these recommendations are bonkers?

[NoCharnce]

So the government commission into how to memorialise the Covid pandemic has recommended the government implement “A UK-wide day of reflection should be established and held annually.”

Other recommendations include national memorials (10 sites already identified!), oral histories and museums plus additional funding for local authorities to set up their own memorials.

I can’t be the only one who thinks this is nuts and hope the government ignores the recommendations? I genuinely cannot believe people get paid to produce this crap.

Yes! Govt were absolutely falling over themselves to stress that the immunity from the vaccine was way superior to that from being infected. This was surely before there had been time to gather evidence either way.

Educate us all, what are we missing oh great bearer of truth.

Of course some of the rules were awful but this is a contagious disease.

In hindsight there should have been much more support in place for vulnerable people but this would have meant other people having to put themselves and their families at risk.

You’re acting like the government was wrong to put sanctions in place but are completely ignoring all of the other people involved.
In care homes for example, yes people died and it was awful but if they allowed visitors then that would be an extra 100 odd people visiting a week which wouldn’t have been fair on the workers who if they got sick they wouldn’t have been able to work (affecting the patients) and they could have passed it to their own families.

You are angry at a government (who I agree are twats and should have received a punishment for some of their behaviour) but we’re not the only country who put these rules in place.
In fact we are very fortunate in this country as some countries had way stricter rules than we did.

It's an episode of recent history I'd rather forget TBH. I'd not want to see a fucking memorial or museum or any kind of commemorative bollocks (personally). Crack on and nove on I say the best memorial you can have is continuing life.

It’s mind boggling that some people genuinely think they know better than all of the doctors, scientists, vaccine creators and disease specialists.

They’re completely delusional.

I can guarantee that most of these people didn’t pass their GCSEs.

I didn't say anything about costings, although I do note that the commission's recommendations aren't for things that people will have to pay to do. And rightly so. As such, it's not immediately obvious how their proposals are going to be money generating.

But ultimately, anyone who supports a day of reflection or similar is going to have to accept that it's a divisive subject. It will cause anger, piss taking, trauma exacerbation and lots of other bad things. If you still want it regardless, that's your call.

@JerryLovesMargo i was told to cover my face in hibiscrub to enable me to wear a mask

And the fact you were SPAT AT proves the disgusting people who did that did not care about Covid. They did it because they were pissed that you had an exemption and they didnt Their thinking was "i have to wear a mask so why shouldnt you"

Two things

Firstly, getting the virus itself in an unregulated fashion when it is relatively unknown and there is limited hospital capacity/therapeutics is not a sensible thing to do.

You might get a whopping great dose of it and end up hospitalised.

The vaccine is a measured amount of something that can’t cause you to develop clinical infection.

It seeks to prevent you from becoming seriously ill should you contract infection, not to have sterilising immunity.

Secondly, getting the virus naturally you may get a mild dose not enough to develop any sort of long standing immunity. Again development of clinical infection is dependent on factors relating to the host (sex, health etc), environment (density of people with covid, temperature etc) and virus (which variant)…. So it’s all very unregulated.

The vaccine gives some certainty ie X effective, X certainty the immunity will last for X time.

Which is why it’s safer and more sensible to have the vaccine. Not to mention put a block to further waves and protect others in a coordinated fashion.

OK gory explain how a vaccine which includes one singular spike protein is more efficient than a clever heuristic immune system which we don't fully understand anyway.?

Following the rules seems insane in hindsight. But hindsight is a amazing thing isn't it? If I'd know what the future held I'd probably do 50% of my life differently.

Although covid didn't kill anyone I knew personally. I know it killed plenty. So even with hindsight, I'd not trample over others boundaries.

The next outbreak will be interesting as you can bet your life the Tony's antics has eroded the vast majorities faith in lockdown.

Fear is also a great control measure. How anyone could watch the news in Mexico and not feel fear I can't grasp. Even if known the torys was having mass raves at the time, I'd be worried looking at the mass graves.

Another thing is I got covid pre vaccine. It was extremely mild for me. So again its hard to feel personal fear when I knew for a fact covid didn't touch me.

I can respect covid was different for everyone.

I still think knowledge is power and we need to do better educating our kids in real scientific facts. To many flat earthers who don't belive the most basic of biology concepts. We are all to thick.

Do you understand that humans existed for eons before vaccines.

That president who tested a papaya which came back positive mysteriously died. Hmm.

@Calistano

You mean the president that didn’t believe in western medicine and told his people to ‘pray’ the disease away.

The same president that caught covid and died.

Well he died, really coincidental.

Humans used to have a life expectancy of 20 years old.

Even in Victorian times you were lucky to reach 40.

Do you know how many people died from polio or the measles?

Surely it’s not difficult to understand that as we’ve developed more medicine and vaccinations, our life expectancy has increased.

Yes @Calistano the absolute nonsense infuriated me too. I am third level educated…. But the lack of GCSE biology even in basic understanding was shocking.

One thing I will say is that it is only relatively recently that zoonoses would have been incorporated in the syllabus at GCSE/A level. God knows why as zoonotic disease accounts for 70% of known human infections and has been increasing exponentially, particularly with factors such as climate change and habitat loss precipitating spillover to humans.

The recommendation to ensure covid/zoonoses/pandemics are incorporated into education is essential.

There was a link to social deprivation in terms of deaths and vaccine hesitancy.. if there had been better education prior it would have saved a lot of lives!!

@Sparklecats This is the problem. I actually received an award for my voluntary work in delivering the COVID vaccine, and having had COVID 3 times, I do not deny its existence. I don't think Johnson et al were capable of some big conspiracy. What I do disagree with is the response, the manipulation, the panic, the restrictions based on public opinion after being scared half to death, the reliance on one set of scientists and ignoring incredibly respected virologists that disagreed with measures.

It was a novel nasty virus that unfortunately killed some, and hastened the death of many more that were already seriously ill. But we burnt down the house in an attempt to kill the wasp. The wasp stung us anyway but now we haven't got a house and have third degree burns to go with our wasp sting. My museum will have the theme of how group think and panic can cause governments and populations to follow illogical rules, and provide a warning to future generations to keep calm and act proportionately.

Yes he died after contracting covid.

People dying is not some great conspiracy, especially someone who refused medical treatment and thought just praying would be enough to save him.

No they didn't you massive liar. Childhood diseases skewed the average. Liar liar pants on fucking fire. Tbh polio is also disputed, environmental toxins are attributed by some people.

@Sparklecats Im not an anti vaxxer (despite peoples best attempts to categorise everyone into Us or Them)
and I get why those who hadn't had the virus would want a vaccine, but I'm questioning more why those who had already had a dose of the virus (and had probably had a good dose as they'd been quite ill with it) were being pressured to take a vaccine and a booster.
They were told that having had the virus was not as good as getting the vaccine (which seems quite limited in its effects) so they should still have it and in some countries, were mandated to have it.

Tiers!

Cope and seethe? What does that even mean?

Congrats on never having had covid, though I'm guessing you've never tested, so how would you know?

You'd have to have a heart of stone not to build the Museum of Covid in Barnard Castle.

A hunt the lone hiker in the Peak District with a police drone simulation. Interactive No.10 party exhibit. An identify what is and is not a "substantial meal" challenge. The Eat Out to Help Out Museum cafe.

So many possibilities.

@TrashedSofa

I attended commemorative church services for relatives - I found that traumatic as it reminded me of not being able to have proper funerals/what state they were in at death (skeletal/emotionally traumatised etc)…. And there were so so many families there, somebody had to March up to the front from each and say a few words. I thought it would never end. So overwhelming.

So I wouldn’t want a whole big palaver. Something like a 5 min silence at 11am and a garden to walk around in where I could meet other friends/family have a picnic and remember. That seems nice and appropriate to be honest.

You’re either a child or just fucking delusional.

So you’re saying people didn’t have lower life expectancies in the past (even though this is fact) but that childhood diseases also skewed the average, even though you’ve just said that there is no need for vaccines 🤦‍♀️

So not only do you think you know more than all of the doctors and scientists, you now think you know better than all of the historians, archeologists and anthropologists.

You are delusional if you think you know better than everyone else.
You are not special.

I have tested. Believe me ds1 tested all he could to get a week off. If this new variant is different and virulent I doubt "the very specific" tests would pick it up, because they are so so accurate.