(Covid) To think these recommendations are bonkers?

[NoCharnce]

So the government commission into how to memorialise the Covid pandemic has recommended the government implement “A UK-wide day of reflection should be established and held annually.”

Other recommendations include national memorials (10 sites already identified!), oral histories and museums plus additional funding for local authorities to set up their own memorials.

I can’t be the only one who thinks this is nuts and hope the government ignores the recommendations? I genuinely cannot believe people get paid to produce this crap.

I didn't say she didn't have the right to go to shops/restaurants/pubs. Very unusual to do so if CEV though particularly if you couldn't wear a mask.

I can assure you @WomblingTree86 it is MUCH more complicated than you’re making it out to be.

If you encounter low exposure to a mild variant, have MS and are on a low dose of immunosuppressive drugs, that is different to someone with cancer who has had several rounds of chemo and is exposed on multiple occasions to a variant inducing more severe pathology…

Both examples are clinically vulnerable, but disease, medication, exposure history are all different.

If the poster has had is ten times and hasn’t encountered any severe symptoms they would be extremely lucky. Without further detail of their health, job etc you can’t really say what variables are contributed to this luck.

I would 100% agree with this @WomblingTree86 I didn’t know any CEV or CV people that did this.

But that isn’t to say they didn’t exist; some just didn’t buy that covid was that dangerous or didn’t want to have their freedoms curtailed.

To be fair to @JerryLovesMargo she did say that the situation had her on antidepressants and she was very frightened so I think best to leave it there.

At the end of the day, some people over exaggerate their position to prove a point on MN, others are pure as the driven snow.

I think we can all see clearly the individual had a terrible time during the pandemic and has some strong beliefs.

If the account is to be believed then what can be said is that the employer failed in their duty of care. Accommodations should have been made to have her wfh or on leave during lockdown periods. No way any employer would have forced someone CEV to come in - they’d be liable legally. And you’re right if in a council house they wouldn’t evict CEV and lot of flexibility built in around that time for people CEV/CV/furloughed etc with financial/needs issues.

As a memorial, I propose a 'national pan banging day' during which the country will unite by everyone standing at their front door every hour, on the hour, banging pans for 5 minutes.

This, of course will be obligatory on pain of £100 fine for non compliance, unless of course, you're an MP, in which case you will be allowed to quaff wine, and attend garden parties all day.

Makes as much sense to me as creating a memorial to the whole ghastly episode.

Both examples are CV but most people with MS are not CEV. I don't think anyone with MS was in the shielding category to begin with either unless they had just received cladribine or stem cell treatment. I think there is a difference between what category you have been put in officially and whether you actually are extremely vulnerable.

@WomblingTree86 please see page 23, table 3, which I believe corresponds to the CEV list as was.

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/1186479/Greenbook-chapter-14a-4September2023.pdf

The green book is for the purpose of vaccination which was obviously later. Page 23 lists all clinical risk groups not just those considered extremely clinically vulnerable who were originally asked to sheild. e.g. people with diabetes are on there but they weren't in the CEV group who were asked and supported to shield in 2020.

@WomblingTree86 if you have the original list then stick it up. I can’t find it right now. I referred to the green book due to this All patients who were on the original CEV list also fell into group 6, which included a broader range of disease categories that JCVI advised would constitute a higher clinical risk for COVID-19 vaccination (tables 3 and 4)

A few interesting reports on CEV perspectives/experiences if anyone wants to chew over this further.

https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/healthandsocialcare/conditionsanddiseases/bulletins/coronavirusandclinicallyextremelyvulnerablepeopleinengland/4aprilto23april2022

https://www.health.org.uk/news-and-comment/charts-and-infographics/understanding-the-needs-and-experiences-of-those-most-clinic

Not sure anyone claiming it is "gone".

Did any of you watch "Partygate"?