(Covid) To think these recommendations are bonkers?

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So the government commission into how to memorialise the Covid pandemic has recommended the government implement “A UK-wide day of reflection should be established and held annually.”

Other recommendations include national memorials (10 sites already identified!), oral histories and museums plus additional funding for local authorities to set up their own memorials.

I can’t be the only one who thinks this is nuts and hope the government ignores the recommendations? I genuinely cannot believe people get paid to produce this crap.

Not to mention the airport style zig-zag queuing system to get to the desk, where you'll be shouted at and abused by the person behind a perspex security screen if you dare to duck under it to make it a shorter walk when there's literally no one else there at all.

So this thread is going to be the perfect exhibit of the incredible lack of of thinking that many people seem to possess? Do carry on! I'll get my popcorn and settle in for some entertainment.

Enlightening how many little Hitlers emerged barking at people if they failed to follow the arrows of confusion.

Me too. I mean what the fuck was that all about. Sheeple.

How about my son's University. There were 8 of them in his Uni flat sharing a kitchen and toilets. University security stopped them from even walking around campus (in the fresh air) in a group of 8 due to the "rule of six", despite them being able to prove they were living together due to their key-fobs - they were told that if they didn't break into two groups of 4, they'd be reported and probably expelled from the Uni. Remember, this was them walking in the open, fresh air!

Universities were absolutely insane with making their own rules, happily taking the students' cash but not providing them with facilities/teaching etc.

It was a bonkers time. It really was.
but thousands lost their lives, thousands have long covid affecting everyday.
I don’t think it’s a bad thing to mark that in some way

I’ll take the day of reflection if those of us who worked all the way through can get an extra day of annual leave!

Thousands lose their lives every day. Doesn't mean we all have to go insane.

Exactly.

I think there is room for memorial to all those people who died, particularly health workers, and acknowledging the work of essential workers. Also in particular celebrating our contribution to finding the vaccine relatively quickly

I disobeyed the arrows of confusion many times when the booze aisle was blocked by large groups of people who were unable to decide which wine to enjoy with dinner.

The ony silver lining was twitch, all the celebs flocking to it to get their daily dose of adoration.

No one is saying precautions/restrictions weren't necessary are they?

Most sane people know that we had to do something.

People are complaining about the bonkers, crazy, nonsensical "rules" that were applied which made no sense and were often counter-productive. They're complaining about the power crazed Hitlers who abused their power, made up their own rules, etc. They're complaining about the stupid "tier" system of different rules applying, literally in some cases, to people living/working just a few yards apart across a city or county border, with no thought given to people commuting or with family across such a border! Complaining about taped off seats in parks. Complaining about police fining people for drinking a coffee together in the fresh air.

Surely you can see the difference?

It's nothing to do with conspiracy theories, etc. It's complaining about incompetence and abuse of power.

I don't agree with the extent of all of the restrictions and for sure some people went wild and it was a weird and damaging time, but I think lots are ignorant to the reality of covid at the start. Working with a new respiratory virus which we didn't know how it spread (of course only a handful of feasible theories to choose from but still), didn't know how to best treat it, who was most vulnerable and no idea to the potential damage of it was fucking horrific. A lockdown was needed whilst we had the time to figure it out and sort vaccines out, it went too far imo but those who seem to think no restrictions were necessary are clueless and at a guess didn't work in healthcare.

I think a memorial to the workers who weren't provided sufficient PPE or resources by their employer (the government) and subsequently died well before their time should have a memorial, it's a scandal.

I think the sooner we forget about it all the better.

Unfortunately, for self employed, contractors and freelancers, it will be unpaid, so people who suffered being part of the 3 million who were excluded from financial support, it's just another kick in the teeth, to lose yet another day's pay, when so many of them are still suffering the absence of support during the restrictions when they weren't allowed to work and earn a living!

Now if it was a paid holiday, or even better, if Rishi would finally admit to his mistakes and provide proper support for those he excluded, it's a different matter.

A day of reflection will absolutely turn into a day of arguing about it.

VERY few people think we didn't need any restrictions. But, as you say yourself, the lockdown went on far too long and many (if not most) of the ongoing restrictions were illogical. Basically, those in power forgot the aims of the lockdowns and restrictions. It was to "flatten the curve" not to eliminate covid. Yet even when covid deaths were very low on a daily basis, we still had pretty severe restrictions - just why? The curve had been flattened and we should have been back to normal. After all, it was always obvious that it was going to be a series of peaks and troughs, and just keeping draconian restrictions for longer just delayed the next peak, rather than eliminating it, so what was the point? Just continued to cause massive financial damage, not to mention deaths and long term health issues from other causes, that could have been reduced/minimised with less severe restrictions when infection rates were low.

Indeed, a lot of people are still angry. In fact I would say most people are. The reason they are angry may vary but very few people have nothing to complain about. A state mandated day of reflection seems like an awful idea.

Mmm, and I say this as someone who doesn't even have a problem with there being arguments about the issue. It's inevitable. It was and continues to be very divisive. But the people suggesting this don't seem to have even considered that?

Thats not true they had that cruise ship which was isolated as a perfect study. They put ill people into care homes for some bizarre fucking reason. They isolated everyone, apart from shops? I mean nobody in my local sainsburys died, despite being exposed to thousands of people a day. It was a frigging psyop. I'm bored of pretending it wasn't, if some very impressionable people want to believe it was some deadly disease crack on.

All these twats taking 2 weeks off for a positive test with zero symptoms, people having multiple vaccines for something they say they have had 5 times? If they wanted to erode the trust in vaccines they have done very well, the only thing I'd be taking a vaccine for now is being bitten by a rabid animal.

I think that lack of consideration is why it irks me so much. The language leads me to infer that covid is being treated like a tragedy that is now over, banish it to history and something to be sad about once a year. It's very politically convenient.

How about a telephone at the start of the museum to shop your neighbour for going outside for any legitimate reason at all, even sitting peacefully in their own garden, and a room to lock children in for a fortnight in the name of "self isolating from your household" as some people interpreted it (but apparently this was not child abuse, according to a lot of the loud shouters on MN in 2020)?

I think a memorial for all the children who died because social services wasn't seen as an essential service and couldn't get into people's homes for routine child protection purposes during the first lockdown would be more appropriate.

Interesting point.

I don't think this day of reflection thing could happen while the Tories are still in, for obvious Partygate related reasons. But they'll be gone in max 18 months and perhaps less. It might be a more politically expedient idea by then.

Followed by curry and a beer with Keir .