(Covid) To think these recommendations are bonkers?

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So the government commission into how to memorialise the Covid pandemic has recommended the government implement “A UK-wide day of reflection should be established and held annually.”

Other recommendations include national memorials (10 sites already identified!), oral histories and museums plus additional funding for local authorities to set up their own memorials.

I can’t be the only one who thinks this is nuts and hope the government ignores the recommendations? I genuinely cannot believe people get paid to produce this crap.

The commission are proposing quite a bit more than that. A day of reflection, with what sounds like rather a lot of palaver.

I think also, there's at least a realistic possibility that a minute's silence would not be observed, which obviously has the potential to be very upsetting and cause further division too. To that end I'm not sure it would do more good than harm. I think it probably is quite telling that the recommendations talk about people being able to take a moment to reflect but not anything about a silence.

Whatever mate, believe most people died at 20 in the past if you want. I mean it's only contradicted by most of recorded history.

Both of those things were true - the massive rate of infant mortality skewed the average age of death AND fewer people reached old age. However it is wrong to say loads of people were failing to make it to middle age.

We can see that from the Roman Republic where they had age qualifications for various political offices and you were not allowed to stand to be Consul (the highest office) until you were 43, whch shows that 43 was seen as age not only that many people would reach but seen as an age when the average man was physically and intellectually up to running for highest political office.

Don't forget to warn visitors on entry that they can't come into the museum unless jabbed.
Just like they told healthcare workers that they would be sacked if they didn't have the jab.
Same with those who had booked holidays prior to the pandemic. The have a jab and you can go on your holiday lie.
I think the memorial should be set in a hotel where you have to stay for ten days trapped in a room with shit food.
All for the admission price of around £1800. However, a free pan will be provided for you to bang at 20.00 on a Thursday.

Well isn't it nice to see that the nasty dementors v anti dementors/anti vax preposterousness/name-calling bollocks so prevalent on here during the pandemic hasn't gone away. One mention of the C word and you're all off.

Meanwhile in the real world most people understood that there was a need for some restrictions, but that those restrictions had awful knock-on effects for millions. That vaccines weren't perfect (no vaccine is) but once they had been rolled out the death rate dropped from thousands a day to a few hundred a week.

But on MN you are, and always were, either a bedwetting sheep terrified of their own shadow (if you thought maybe parties weren't a great idea at Christmas 2020 or have had all your jabs) or a tin foil hat wearing conspiracy theorist (if your daily walk lasted longer than an hour or you bought hairdye with your weekly shop).

What this shows more than anything, I guess, is that many people are absolutely not over the trauma of it all.

With the possibility of sexual harassment from security for female guests too, of course. Essential part of the experience!

I honestly don't know what they were thinking with that. It was so obvious that if you have women stuck on their own and men in positions of power over them, the outcome is going to be some of those men trying to take advantage of it.

Certainly not over the trauma. I'm angry with a capital fucking A. Twat bags.

A what about a memorial of elderly parents in care homes calling their kids telling them they were desperate to see their only grandchild and not understanding why they couldn't only to die a few days later 😢

Why do you keep contradicting yourself.

Life expectancy has absolutely increased over the years.
That’s obvious and very easy to research (which I suggest you do).

A big part of that is because of vaccines and medicine.

You cannot deny that vaccines work and then say that in the past childhood deaths from illnesses have skewed the data.

@Everanewbie WHO has a list of priority diseases based on their potential to cause a public health emergency and the absence of efficacious medical countermeasures. Accordingly there is an urgent need for accelerated research and development so they have the R&D blueprint. The potential for disease X was known about… and of course there is still potential for another disease X or several….

There are a huge number of government depts across the world, NGOs, Universities but there is a lack of coordinated action and firm pandemic preparedness/planning.

Politics is too far removed from the scientific community and there needs to be more cohesion and as you rightly pointed out diversification/less bias of expertise.

Covid exposed these weaknesses and I hope examining what happened that response to future disease outbreaks is more robust.

What I will venture to say is that peoples noncompliance and behaviour in response to a disease that could have evolved to kill 20% was terrifying… we were in such a precarious situation and the virus had free reign and an enormous amount of hosts to evolve in… we were incredibly lucky that it didn’t get worse. The reprobate behaviour of people failing to comply with rules made me wish for mandatory vaccination and tough punishments. We had friends abroad and their rules were much tougher, but they complied and had hardly any outbreaks. By contrast a lot of the U.K. behaved like delinquent teens and didn’t want to work as a team to defeat the virus.

@Sparklecats I am not disregarding the trauma of people who lost relatives to covid - i am sure it was shit - just as it was shit that my aunt and close friend both died of late diagnosed cancer during lockdown and we could not see them or go to their funerals.

I was just commenting on the woeful reporting of stats in the Independent and their pathetic clickbait to try and draw false equivilences with the Great Plague. Overall numbers and proportions matter.

The numbers might be similar (although probably disputed as it is suspected far far more people died of plague in 1665 than was offcially reported) but as I said one fifth of London's population died in the Great Plague of 1665. Then that was around 100k people. The Indpendent article want us to think - "shit Covid was as bad or worse than the Great Plague". Do you know how many people would need to die in 2023 for London to lose one fifth of its popualtion? 1.8 million people.

It's never been 20, you imbecile. I'm not going to reply any more you are obviously some kind of bot. I havent disputed most vaccines BTW, have had many.

Also didn't say life expectancy has decreased you disingenuous idiot.

@Ginmonkeyagain

Look historical and current population sizes aside.

7,000,000 people globally are dead because of it.

How many more would need to die for you to accept that it is a pretty enormous cull of humanity.

I really don’t see the harm in a patch of grass with a plaque to give families some peace.

I'm another one who never took part in the ridiculous clapping and banging of saucepans!
What strange times those were. Hard to believe it was less than 3 years ago.

@Sparklecats that was the loop we got caught in when stuck in these measures.

Cases come down - "See, its working! Locking down works"

Cases go up - "We're not locking down hard enough!! Other countries are locking down harder!"

The medicine was far worse than the disease.

I find it funny that people resort to name calling when they have no more answers to their crazy conspiracy theories.

You are obviously quite an extreme conspiracy theorist and that makes me sad, as it’s only very miserable people who end up believing these lies.

Stop readings things off the internet and blindly believing them, as these people prey on gullible people like you.

I genuinely hope whatever is making you so miserable in life gets better soon.
Good luck.

Don't forget to take everyone's temperature on admission, and have them do a COVID test before they get there.
Everyone will have to purchase a mask at an astronomical price prior to being admitted, which must be worn under the nose.
And TWO METRES blasting out of the tannoy every few seconds.

I disagree, I don’t want to get into the specifics of people I knew who died. But some were let down by other people not following restrictions leading to them contracting the disease.

Aww bless, strokes your covid fevered brow.

@Sparklecats Mate I'm not arguing against a memorial if that is what people want nor was I saying that covid wasn't a big thing. I was just criticising The Independent's shit data reporting. That is all. Keep your wig on.

@Sparklecats I am sorry that people you know died, but you can't expect the rest of the population to be held prisoner due to what amounts to a statistical anomaly of your experience.

I find it funny that people resort to name calling when they have no more answers to their crazy conspiracy theories.

So what's your excuse for name calling others on this thread then @GoryBory?

What basic biology do we need to know? Things that you can not dispute for a start.

Things that boiled my piss on FB

Hand gel will not kill a virus, that's for bacteria! Wrong.

Covid shares RNA with X therefore this proves its was lab created by humans! Wrong. Humans share DNA with butterflies. Does that mean we was created in a lab from butterflies or them from us?

I'm talking basic, basic basic Biology. Where people find it easier to belive in conspiracy than evolution. They can't grasp the very basics so how can they belive covid was manipulated in a lab? You can not argue for a conspiracy if you do not know about evolution or a virus very basic parts.

You could argue for this is your a microbiologist I guess. I'd listen. But someone who does not know that all life of earth shares common DNA. Virus's share common RNA because of evolution? That's gcse level stuff.

It's like a someone who has never seen a car in their life telling Rolls Royce they are building engines wrong. That kind of blind self assertion.

Huh what the fuck are you on about?