(Covid) To think these recommendations are bonkers?

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So the government commission into how to memorialise the Covid pandemic has recommended the government implement “A UK-wide day of reflection should be established and held annually.”

Other recommendations include national memorials (10 sites already identified!), oral histories and museums plus additional funding for local authorities to set up their own memorials.

I can’t be the only one who thinks this is nuts and hope the government ignores the recommendations? I genuinely cannot believe people get paid to produce this crap.

No one says we shouldn't have had restrictions. Of course actions were needed. What people are complaining about are the more ridiculous nonsensical rules that did so much damage in so many ways without actually doing much to reduce the deaths/implications of covid. People put up with so much nonsense because of the herd mentality of everyone else complying and the over-zealous enforcement, threats of prosecutions, etc.

We should never have had police fining people for sitting having a coffee on a park bench, or outdoor workers like gardeners being banned from working in the first lockdown. Or those stupid one way systems and zig-zag queues that meant people were stuck inside closed confined spaces for longer than necessary! Or whole swathes of the NHS going into hiding meaning people with conditions other than Covid had great difficulty getting treatments etc.

I did not say that at all, but carry on.

I actually think it’s really important that we don’t forget about the mass hysteria and the world going collectively nuts, for the reasons you’ve outlined here. I’m not prepared to write that off as “oh yes, but we were scared so we get a free pass”. Bad decisions were made, that weren’t needed, that hurt people. People were treated really badly. It wasn’t ok, and not everyone was too caught up in terror to realise that at the time.

Ah, you just decided on the backing music. Playing softly as one walks through the museum.

I kind of agree with both of you, forget or not some of it was seriously wrong.

I'd like people to remember some of the appalling policy making, late minute u-turns and poor communication that caused a general level of anxiety for a good 18 months as you could never plan anything, and the awful fear campaigns in the media- particularly the ones at the start of 2021 which were completely overegged. I'd particularly like people to remember that at the ballot box next year.

It could have done for all we know. As I recall, the COVID vaccines introduced at the end of 2020 were/are considered experimental until the end of 2023.

To properly commemorate, they should organise a mass event in Greater Manchester and wait until everyone has bought tickets or has already travelled there the night before and is in their hotels before cancelling it at 9pm on Twitter.

The utter thundering fuckwits.

Finding it a bit disturbing that everyone is making fun of this…

Lot my best friend (30s), several relatives, friends lost their parents. Many people still very disabled by it (and many more are going to die or become disabled). People lost their livelihoods and homes.

It was all really traumatic.

Personally I like the idea of having a memorial garden to go to to remember loved ones and a special day for them. Least we could do really, it was a warlike experience.

Nobody seems to care about anything anymore, everyone accepts being spied on constantly by phones and alexa, that was a conspiracy theory at one point. People were overjoyed to be confined to 4 walls because of a coronavirus as long as they were paid. There might be a bit of consternation when they ban flights for proles, people who lap it up deserve it. The earth is heating up so let's kill ourselves, yay.

So much malthusian programming and discontent. Ever noticed how many kids the "elite" have, musk has about 10 according to Google.

Also, you do realise a big role for all of this aside from providing memorial for the dead.

Is to channel funds to research and development and forward pandemic preparedness… ie fund research into it and educate the public on covid/make sure they don’t forget so that they are easier to manage when the next pandemic comes (matter of years really).

If there is any money going spare it should go to services for children that have stunted mental development due to not being able to go to school, nursery, and sensory classes. Maybe also to various small business owners with their businesses killed off by these ridiculous restrictions. After that, deal with alcoholism and obesity. Then spend as much money on informing people that crappy bits of cloth over your mouth does naff all as they spent on those "tell this person looking miserable on a respiratory that you never bend the rules" posters.

https://www.corbettreport.com/video-the-last-word-on-overpopulation/

@Everanewbie I agree… except it isn’t going to cost much to repurpose existing green spaces and a chargeable museum would have good return within a short space of time, which would then fund R&D and pandemic preparedness which is extremely vital to all of our health and well-being.

it was a warlike experience

I believe that some restrictions prior to vaccines being introduced were necessary and I agree that the whole thing was incredibly traumatic (I was on antidepressants for the first time in years around Christmas 2020, and am still trying to overcome a sort of agoraphobia which kicked in then). However I find comments like this incredibly offensive and ignorant.

I'm sure those currently living in war torn countries like Ukraine would agree that while traumatic for many, lockdown was not equal to bombs falling on you as you sleep, facing an occupying force, your country's infrastructure being wiped out and so on.

The fact that it continues to be such a traumatic issue is one of the reasons why the OP is right about the proposals not being a great idea.

For one thing, a memorial day potentially functions as a giant, gaping wound for many of those who lost people for other reasons, in conditions which were made worse or sometimes even caused by restrictions. It simply wouldn't be felt as a special day or something positive by everyone, and even the few pages of this thread makes it clear that it would be the trigger for lots and lots of arguments.

I think keeping the existing memorial wall would be a good thing though.

@Calistano u ok hun?

Fine thanks, still covid free, cope and seethe.

I'd still like to understand how covid is such a special case that it's the only time that having the virus itself, is less protection than a very limited vaccine.

Sometimes, I thought I was going mad because nobody seemed to question any of the rules. Even those who detested the Tories didn't question their stupid rules (that tories themselves were probably laughing at)

Maybe they invest the money into educating children on Biology so the next generation don't get sucked into non scientific Bullshit. Some basic grasps of what a virus is, what kills them off, how they jump species barriers, how they spread etc. The amount of people spouting utter BS on Socail media with things I knew wasn't true from GCSE biology boiled my piss as the MN saying goes.

@JerryLovesMargo

Covid led to massive restrictions in our freedoms and killed an enormous amount of people. Huge. If that isn’t warlike I don’t know what is.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/covid-deaths-uk-latest-plague-aids-war-b1790890.html

Well that article is bollocks - it is estimated that 100,000 people died in the Great Plague alone (of course it is hard to know as they weren't really keeping meticulous records). Of course it is also a matter of scale in 1665 that was 1/5 of London's population.

@TrashedSofa most of the people on this thread are covid non-believers, anti-vaxxers and the like that are not representative of the majority of the population.

These recommendations will have been based on public consultation via the inquiry and I really can’t see anything that would cost much if anything, more money generating and the final recommendation is so important to have scientists more closely aligned to policy makers.

For one thing, if Jeremy Hunt hadn’t disregarded pandemic preparedness recommendations when health minister then we would have had PPE!!

Hard agree, apparently natural immunity is not a thing anymore. It's just pure coincidence I didn't get chicken pox for the second time when my kids came down with it. Surely the common cold can't be vaccinated against because there are many viruses that cause it? But you can get the same strain of covid again and again, makes sense. I just don't believe all these people who say they had it 7 times.

That president who tested a papaya which came back positive mysteriously died. Hmm.

Ok so what should we do disregard all the people that died and the trauma?? If they’re so insignificant then would you like to offer up some of your family members for the next wave? No? Thought not.

Honestly people are so dim.

These recommendations won’t cost much if anything and it remembers the dead, funnels money towards preventing similar. End of.