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To think she's a CF?

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nopainnogain1 · 17/09/2023 16:42

My 12 year old has a school friend. This girl frequently comes home from school with DD and I feed her, care for her, she sleeps here etc when her mum's 'busy'.
She's a nice kid, but prone to a lack of respect at times. She refers to me as her second mum which is slightly odd but somewhat endearing. It's probably why I let some of her behaviour slide. Like, for example, she'll decide she needs a shower and will go in to my en-suite and help herself to my very expensive shampoo and conditioner. She takes them back to DD's bathroom, where after use she'll leave them thrown on the floor along with her wet towels. Apparently the shampoo and condition I provide for my own daughter isn't good enough for her hair type.

Anyway. On Friday after school my DD calls. Can her friend come over? Okay I say. They turn up just before dinner..... and this kid has been here ever since. She left about ten minutes ago after announcing 'I'm going! My mum's outside in the car. We're off out for dinner, bye!' Then out the front door she trots, wearing my daughter's hoodie, socks and sliders. I doubt I'll see those again. 🙄 I asked DD if she was invited out for dinner too. She wasn't.

This bothers me, and I'll tell you why. On Friday evening she tells me her mum is out in town in a date. DP and I exchanged a glance. So we are both aware that her mum's off with a new fella thus she needs the childcare and so sent her kid here.

On Saturday early eve the girls ask if they can go out and ask for money for food and drink. I send £20 to this girl's account because DD doesn't have a bank card yet and I didn't want to hand mine over.
They head off to the garden of a local very reasonably priced chain pub for a coke and a pizza before going on to meet friends at the park.

My daughter calls later on to ask for a lift home. I say no, it's still light and you're a ten minute walk away, see you shortly. She chats about their evening and says they asked her friend's mum for a lift home to ours but she was 'too drunk'. When they arrived at the pub she was already there drinking apparently.

Am I unreasonable to think that if you're going to palm your child off on someone else all weekend so you can go out to the pub and go on dates, and you've very much aware that someone else has given your daughter money for a meal out, then the very least you can do is get out of your car, come to the door and say thanks for having my child all weekend. And if you want to take your kid out for dinner afterwards, that's fine. But don't tell your DD this plan until you're well away from the house you left them at all weekend. Otherwise you just look like a massive CF!

OP posts:
DinaofCloud9 · 17/09/2023 18:25

Hmm your kind words don't really match the title op.

Happyandtired · 17/09/2023 18:26

Tbh I think the 12 year olds behaviour is strange. I grew up in a house somewhat similar to her, and when I went to friends I was so unbelievably thankful, a bit scared to ask for anything even though they were lovely people and in general just very shy. I wouldn't have dared taken money for food, or even had a wash had I not been prompted.

There is absolutely no way I would have behaved like this, I know I'm not her and she's not me but when you're quite unstable you have no idea what to expect from adults and tread eggshells almost. Has this been going on for years to the point she is basically this comfortable? Either that, or her mother has said do what you like in their house. I just find it all a bit odd.

awaynboilyurheid · 17/09/2023 18:26

In the future the girls may fall out , as young friendships are apt to do at times yes they may get on great now and that’s nice ( aside from her taking clothes etc) but where would that leave this vulnerable young girl?
You can help her but you are not her mother and I would be informing the school and asking them to inform social services of her mothers neglect. Do not encourage your child to go for meals or spend any time with this woman. You have to prioritise your child and yes you can help but at the end of the day you might have to choose “ sides” and she needs ongoing support.

Theblacksheepandme · 17/09/2023 18:26

SpacePotato · 17/09/2023 18:20

What pub allows children without an adult present? Seems really odd to me.

You are being used.
Your DD is being used.

There's a pub near me with a beer garden and pizza oven where a lot of teenagers hang out. My daughter and her friends aren't allowed but a lot of teenagers are. The owners are clearly ok with it. My daughter is 15 and I don't think it's a suitable place, particularly where creepy drunks could be around them.

Greenpolkadot · 17/09/2023 18:27

What are you complaining for OP. ???
It's obviously ok with you because you.continue to let it happen.

nopainnogain1 · 17/09/2023 18:29

DinaofCloud9 · 17/09/2023 18:25

Hmm your kind words don't really match the title op.

What? I have a problem with the mum, not the child.

OP posts:
nopainnogain1 · 17/09/2023 18:31

Okay. I can see I'm in a hiding to nowhere here. I'll make sure the kids never go near an establishment like Wetherspoons again. I'll tell this kid to go home and not come back. I'll prepare myself for a lifetime of drug addiction and alcohol abuse with my own DD. Thanks all.

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Catastrophejane · 17/09/2023 18:31

I think it’s really admirable the way you treating this girl, but be careful it’s not at the expense of your own DD!

how does she feel about her clothing being taken? I know you say they adore each other, but her lack of respect for your home is probably an indication of the way she treats your daughter.

you’d be really helping you DD ( and her friend) if you politely maintained some boundaries and demonstrated to your DD how it’s possible say no to friends without destroying the friendship.

the use of your shampoo stops- or she doesn’t come back. No more borrowing of DD’s clothes. Don’t let your DD be a doormat!

Totalwasteofpaper · 17/09/2023 18:33

nopainnogain1 · 17/09/2023 17:00

You're right. But what's the alternative? This kid would be dragged round the pubs all weekend, or made to feel like shit because she's stopped her mother living her free and single lifestyle.

The social have been involved and probably still are. I know her dad was removed from the family home for some reason and banned from having contact.

Not your problem.
And this girl is old enough to recognise you are doing her a solid and is taking the piss. If she was grateful ot would be another thing entirely.

The shampoo and conditioner is a very clear FUCK.YOU.

No way would I tolerate this.
She sounds like right madam and I wouldn't want this child near mine and certainly nould not be encouraging this friendship.

regarding your child's clothes I'd have turned her around and told her to go upstairs and change out of them and I'd want to see the items before she left so I knew she wasn't stealing them.

Jibo · 17/09/2023 18:36

nopainnogain1 · 17/09/2023 17:00

You're right. But what's the alternative? This kid would be dragged round the pubs all weekend, or made to feel like shit because she's stopped her mother living her free and single lifestyle.

The social have been involved and probably still are. I know her dad was removed from the family home for some reason and banned from having contact.

The alternative is that you continue hosting this girl but actually set firm boundaries for her; the same rules you have for your own daughter and then some! She will appreciate this and it will make her feel safe. She needs this structure and she's not getting it at home.

Batalax · 17/09/2023 18:36

You don’t need to turn your back on her but you do need stronger boundaries. You need to be very firm about the shampoo for a start. You can’t put in consequences as you could for your own child but you can be firm and say

”I’ve already told you about not touching my shampoo. I love having you here and you are very welcome to stay, but you do have to obey the rules. If you use my shampoo again then I’ll be really upset and you wont be allowed to come again. Dd wouldn’t be allowed to do this and you aren’t either. We’ll forget about it this time but remember what I’ve said and make sure you don’t touch that shampoo again.”

Spidey66 · 17/09/2023 18:37

They head off to the garden of a local very reasonably priced chain pub for a coke and a pizza before going on to meet friends at the park.

OK I'm not a parent, and I know this is only a small piece of the problem......but 12 year olds go to a pub without an adult? Blimey.....I was going to Wimpy Bars with friends at 12!

70isaLimitNotaTarget · 17/09/2023 18:37

In your shoes I'd be relieved that my 12yo didn't get a lift home with the CF Mum if she was drunk and had the sense to ask you for a lift (and you had the sense to say "No , it's 10 minutes and it's light ! )

Lastchancechica · 17/09/2023 18:38

This is just shocking.
A shocking example to your dd.

Get the stuff back tomorrow. Go to the house and ask the girl to fetch dds things and wait outside until she does, you badly need some boundaries this girl and her mother are taking you for fools.

Fast forward a few years/months that girl is going to be drinking alcohol , taking drugs - do you really want this for your child? Look at the trajectory. Open your eyes op. Look at the role model of the other child.

In your place I would be knocking this friendship on the head. The dinners, sleepovers stop. Dd can invite other children on rotation to be ‘inclusive’ and only continue if they reciprocate. Teach your child to expect to be treated well by her friends and not used and abused.

Spidey66 · 17/09/2023 18:40

OK the pub things already been addressed....Wetherspoons may well welcome families but given their alcohol is so cheap I would imagine there's a fair few drunk people there and I wouldn't have thought it's a place for unsupervised children tbh.

Motherland2624 · 17/09/2023 18:41

Why make a thread and moan if you are happy helping this girl ?

SistersNotCisters · 17/09/2023 18:41

She sees you as a second mum does she? Then as her "mum" get her told. Treat her like your own by instilling manners and boundaries as you do your own children. Tell her she is NOT to go in your bathroom nor use your belongings. When she dumps the wet towel, send her to go pick it up and put it in the wash.

She obviously has shitty parents and unless you want to cut her off (which I'm guessing you don't as you're putting up with this shit) you need to sort her out if she's going to be in your home so often.

And get her mother rung! Tell her to make sure her DD brings your daughters things back and also tell her that she needs to speak to you before pissing off out and assuming you'll be childcare for a whole bloody weekend.

Theblacksheepandme · 17/09/2023 18:41

nopainnogain1 · 17/09/2023 18:31

Okay. I can see I'm in a hiding to nowhere here. I'll make sure the kids never go near an establishment like Wetherspoons again. I'll tell this kid to go home and not come back. I'll prepare myself for a lifetime of drug addiction and alcohol abuse with my own DD. Thanks all.

Of all the good advice you received, is this really what you got from this thread?

M4J4 · 17/09/2023 18:42

Theblacksheepandme · 17/09/2023 18:41

Of all the good advice you received, is this really what you got from this thread?

I think OP has a saviour complex.

FinneganFois · 17/09/2023 18:43

Haven't read the full thread, currently on page 2.
There was a book published in 2006 " You didn't grow in my tummy, you grew in my heart" by Kerry Swain. It details the youth of Kerry's daughter, Bo, who was influenced by a classmate who was being fostered, and Bo asked her mum if she could stay over at this friend's house. Kerry had not heard from the girl's foster parents, so she refused permission. After this, Bo made allegations at school about her life at home, hoping she would be placed in the same foster home as her friend (this didn't happen) but she was placed into temporary foster care, and a cycle of appalling behaviour ensued, and Kerry adopted Bo's twin daughters, the relationship between mother and daughter broke down.
OP, it sounds as if you are doing everything possible for this girl, and providing free childcare for the girl's mum, just hope it doesn't backfire on you.

FictionalCharacter · 17/09/2023 18:47

NunsKnickers · 17/09/2023 16:43

Why on Earth are you letting yourself and your daughter be treated like this?

100%. You KNOW the girl and her mum are using you and treating like dirt. Please stop. You’re teaching your daughter how to be a door mat and allow people to steal from you.

Vgbeat · 17/09/2023 18:48

Can I just say thank you. You might not feel it right now but you are probably the helping this young girl more than you know. Because of you she feels safe and sees how things should be. Give her boundaries and rules she probably isn't used to then by the sounds of it and she probably wants them. One day she will look.back and be very thankful for you.

halofromtheotherside · 17/09/2023 18:50

She's not a CF, she's an alcoholic.

And your daughters friend is behaving in a way that's very recognisable amongst children of alcoholics.

That doesn't mean you can't set some boundaries with her, to be honest she would probably like that. Boundaries make us feel safe. Her life at home has been and continues to be chaotic.

LookItsMeAgain · 17/09/2023 18:51

If Social Services have been involved before, you can, through the school get the advice and make the teachers/principal aware of the situation. They may even just be waiting for some sort of notice that might be the tipping point of them reaching out again anyway.

You do need to show your daughter how not to be a doormat and the first lesson is that she isn't to loan her clothes/shoes to anyone and while you'll contact the mother with a list of the clothes/shoes that have gone out the door with this girl, your daughter is to get them from her no later than Wednesday at school.

Also, while this girl is in your house, she is to follow the rules of your house and you need to remind her. She is not to go into your room or ensuite now as you've already told her not to use your shampoo. There is shampoo in the family bathroom that she can use and that's it. Time to put your foot down on that matter.

Lastchancechica · 17/09/2023 18:54

Vgbeat · 17/09/2023 18:48

Can I just say thank you. You might not feel it right now but you are probably the helping this young girl more than you know. Because of you she feels safe and sees how things should be. Give her boundaries and rules she probably isn't used to then by the sounds of it and she probably wants them. One day she will look.back and be very thankful for you.

The girl is more than old enough to know that taking ops expensive shampoo, stealing clothes and shoes and asking for money is not acceptable, but she doesn’t care.

Ops only duty is to look after her own dd and raise her with care and boundaries.

If she has concerns she can call SS.
This family are not ‘grateful’