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To think she's a CF?

382 replies

nopainnogain1 · 17/09/2023 16:42

My 12 year old has a school friend. This girl frequently comes home from school with DD and I feed her, care for her, she sleeps here etc when her mum's 'busy'.
She's a nice kid, but prone to a lack of respect at times. She refers to me as her second mum which is slightly odd but somewhat endearing. It's probably why I let some of her behaviour slide. Like, for example, she'll decide she needs a shower and will go in to my en-suite and help herself to my very expensive shampoo and conditioner. She takes them back to DD's bathroom, where after use she'll leave them thrown on the floor along with her wet towels. Apparently the shampoo and condition I provide for my own daughter isn't good enough for her hair type.

Anyway. On Friday after school my DD calls. Can her friend come over? Okay I say. They turn up just before dinner..... and this kid has been here ever since. She left about ten minutes ago after announcing 'I'm going! My mum's outside in the car. We're off out for dinner, bye!' Then out the front door she trots, wearing my daughter's hoodie, socks and sliders. I doubt I'll see those again. 🙄 I asked DD if she was invited out for dinner too. She wasn't.

This bothers me, and I'll tell you why. On Friday evening she tells me her mum is out in town in a date. DP and I exchanged a glance. So we are both aware that her mum's off with a new fella thus she needs the childcare and so sent her kid here.

On Saturday early eve the girls ask if they can go out and ask for money for food and drink. I send £20 to this girl's account because DD doesn't have a bank card yet and I didn't want to hand mine over.
They head off to the garden of a local very reasonably priced chain pub for a coke and a pizza before going on to meet friends at the park.

My daughter calls later on to ask for a lift home. I say no, it's still light and you're a ten minute walk away, see you shortly. She chats about their evening and says they asked her friend's mum for a lift home to ours but she was 'too drunk'. When they arrived at the pub she was already there drinking apparently.

Am I unreasonable to think that if you're going to palm your child off on someone else all weekend so you can go out to the pub and go on dates, and you've very much aware that someone else has given your daughter money for a meal out, then the very least you can do is get out of your car, come to the door and say thanks for having my child all weekend. And if you want to take your kid out for dinner afterwards, that's fine. But don't tell your DD this plan until you're well away from the house you left them at all weekend. Otherwise you just look like a massive CF!

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Catsafterme · 17/09/2023 17:04

As bad as her home life may be and she's friends with yours, it's really not your responsibility, it's the mums.

What will end up happening is you will end up being a proxy parent more and more, which has already begun and it will drain your lives.

The mother knows this, you are being used and the only way to deal with users is to tell them straight.

Shinyandnew1 · 17/09/2023 17:06

Man up and stop being a doormat.

’can I have a shower?’ -Yes, here’s a towel, use the family bathroom please, not my en suite’

‘DD-please get X to give your clothes back and don’t let her borrow any more until you do’

’Mum, can we have money to buy food?’ -‘No, you can have dinner with us or cook a pizza from the freezer’.

Having a friend to sleep over when they genuinely love each other is fine, but I wouldn’t poke up with the rest.

Vallmo47 · 17/09/2023 17:07

Unfortunately I’d have to tell my daughter that she’s obviously welcome to hang out with this friend but they will be hanging out, outside of my home. When the girl asks why she can’t come in you tell her you’ve frankly had enough of kids in your house and need a break. I would do this with a heavy heart because clearly this girl needs someone to care, but she’s taking the piss by entering your en suite when you’ve told her not to. That shows a lack of respect and while she clearly doesn’t understand better she does need to learn.

Unfortunately sometimes in life you have to put an end to “friendships” like these and see if the girl is genuinely a friend or not. My bet is when you start setting boundaries the friendship with your daughter might fizzle out and I’d never allow my daughter to be taken for a ride like that.

FrenchandSaunders · 17/09/2023 17:09

That’s a good point actually … is your DD happy with this? She might not have wanted to spend her entire weekend with her.

PaminaMozart · 17/09/2023 17:10

Establish proper boundaries, obviously.

The mother is a lost cause. No point talking to her, I think. Other than occasionally tell her it is not convenient for her daughter to come over. You don't want to become this girl's 'second mother'...

But do have a talk with your daughter to establish whether she is truly happy with this friendship, or whether she too deep down feels taken advantage of.

M4J4 · 17/09/2023 17:13

This child is not your problem. Report the mum to social services and detach.

It sounds like this girl is going to drag your dd down with her.

There is no reason for her to stay over at yours or for you to give her money.

wildwestpioneer · 17/09/2023 17:14

You are not a rehabilitation centre for this child.

Tell her again not to use your shampoo, tell her if she does you won't be allowing her to use the shower.

Before she leaves, ask her to take off your dd's clothes and return them. She can wear her dirty clothes to the meal out or home - it won't hurt her

Don't give her money for food.

Honestly op you need to put a stop to this, the girls mother is counting on you feeling sorry for her DD and as a result is getting you to be a free childminder. Well actually it's costing you money!

UpaladderwatchingTV · 17/09/2023 17:14

Sorry OP, but the fact that you told your DD's friend not to use your shampoo etc., and she ignored you and did it again, says that you're not being firm enough with her. You need to tell her that in your house you have boundaries, and if you find that she's taken and used your things, or taken things of your daughter's home with her and not returned them within a couple of days, she won't be welcome again.

I would also be on the phone to this CF mum, telling her that I will NOT be keeping her child overnight again, unless I am asked in advance, and have agreed, so if she fails to collect her at night in future, I will take her DD to the police station and leave her there, telling the police that she has been abandoned by her mother who prefers to be out on the piss, rather than caring for her child. I would also be telling her how upset I was that my daughter was not invited to join them for a meal, after I had looked after, and provided her daughter with money, while she swanned off for the weekend without a by your leave!!

Come on OP, time to woman up, and stand up for both yourself and your DD.

JMSA · 17/09/2023 17:15

Poor child Sad
I think you've been exceptionally kind, OP. Sure, you need to put some boundaries in place. But it's better to be a person like you, than someone who'd ban her from their home!

Houseplantmad · 17/09/2023 17:18

You need to stand up for your daughter. Do not allow the friend to leave your house with any of your daughter’s possessions.
You now need to say no to her coming over for the next couple of weeks as her mother needs a reality check. Give the girl your phone number if she gets into any difficulties though.

ambitchious · 17/09/2023 17:20

Do you have no boundaries op? She walked out with your dd’s clothes and shoes on and you said nothing? You just straight away accepted that your dd won’t see them
again? This is so weird.

The other girl’s mum is not a good role model to her child, but neither are you really.

lordloveadog · 17/09/2023 17:20

If you're going to give this girl a second home - which she clearly needs - you'll have to be more proactive in making sure she's not nabbing your toiletries and your daughter's clothes. More active second-parenting in general.

Checkcurtains · 17/09/2023 17:22

OP you sound like a Saint and probably the only stability this child has in her life.

Without doubt her mum is a CF but the child will be forever grateful to you for bringing her up

RitaFires · 17/09/2023 17:23

I think you're sending a really shit message to your daughter that her friend's needs and wants are more important and she's going to learn to put herself second.

I would be doing what I could to limit this friendship as it has become wildly dysfunctional.

TastingSinister · 17/09/2023 17:23

You're right. But what's the alternative? This kid would be dragged round the pubs all weekend, or made to feel like shit because she's stopped her mother living her free and single lifestyle

No. The alternative is that your DDs friend still gets to spend time at yours but has to respect the rules of your house and not help herself to your personal items or wander into your bedroom/en-suite.

And don't invite one child for dinner but not the other

I get where you are coming from, but that's not a fair comment. The mum is taking her own child for a meal. She isn't obligated to include your child. Do you invite the friend to everything you do - because by your logic it isn't fair to "invite" your own daughter (who "invites" their 12 year old for a meal?) but not her friend.

Ihearticecream · 17/09/2023 17:24

I don’t know what to say OP but yes the mother is a CF.
I would put some strong boundaries in place for the daughter as otherwise she will walk all over your daughter like the mother walks over you.
Things like ‘in this house my shampoo and conditioner stay in the en-suite and are only used by me’ ‘in this house we pick up our wet towels and put them in the laundry basket’ ‘in this house we always returned clothes after we’ve borrowed them’

LakeTiticaca · 17/09/2023 17:24

You're being played.
Put a stop to it

Islandsadness · 17/09/2023 17:24

Why are you sending 2 12yos to a pub on their own on a Saturday night where there are drunk adults?!

SunRainStorm · 17/09/2023 17:25

I'm not sure why you would want your daughter to be invited out to dinner with them - I wouldn't let my child get into a car with someone I thought had a drinking problem, a tendency towards choosing abusive men and a history of social services involvement.

I think you need to keep helping this girl but impose some boundaries.

Tell her you are disappointed she ignored you when you told her not to go into your bathroom.

If she's staying all weekend, text the mother asking for some money to cover their expenses. Make a habit of this, if she is staying with you, text the mum and ask for £10 or what have you. People don't value things they get for free, so introduce a nominal charge for the childcare you're providing.

She shouldn't walk out with your daughter's clothes so text her mother asking for them to be returned.

ambitchious · 17/09/2023 17:26

Islandsadness · 17/09/2023 17:24

Why are you sending 2 12yos to a pub on their own on a Saturday night where there are drunk adults?!

This.

nopainnogain1 · 17/09/2023 17:27

I'm going to have a word with the mum and tell her what I think.
I've also asked my DD how she feels about her friend being here all weekend and so often. She said she's her best friend, of course she likes her being here. As for the 'borrowing' clothes, I'm writing a list of the items that haven't been returned and will give it to the mum when I have a word.

There's no way I'm going to just cut this kid off. She's sweet and kind. She's absolutely tiny too, which makes me feel she's perhaps more vulnerable than she actually is. But she tells me she loves me and she made me a Mother's Day card etc, so I think she's crying out for a maternal figure. Yes she's a cheeky little madam with things like helping herself to my things, but I do care for her very much.

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SkinnyMalinkyLankyLegs · 17/09/2023 17:29

I'd assume that the girl doesn't have much respect or awareness of boundaries because she is being dragged up and social norms ie respect for other people, overstaying welcomes etc haven't been modelled to her.

I think you need to cut back contact. Keep you and your daughter busy at weekends and say that the friend can't tag along. "Not tonight darling" when your daughter asks if she can pop over. Or alternatively, you could speak to the mum. What I'd say, I don't know as I going to assume she has a pretty brass neck and won't be the easiest of characters to deal with.

If she does come over on the odd occasion then you need to be firm. "Don't go in my room, you can't just walk into people's bedrooms.". "Don't take my shampoo, that's for my use only".

You need to be very clear in what social norms and respectful behaviour look like to this girl because no one else is teaching her it.

You could go the other way and completely ban her from your house. Up to you.

Fruitynutcase · 17/09/2023 17:29

I was open mouthed that she went into your bedroom and helped herself to your stuff ! Wtf ? I wouldn't have dared entered my parents bedroom let alone a friends mum ! You need to put up some boundaries here !

Radiat · 17/09/2023 17:29

More fool you. This one could come back to bite you in the arse when your daughter starts to listen to or copy her friend/friend’s mum more than you. I’d be concerned about my own child’s future, not anyone else’s.

Totallyterrific · 17/09/2023 17:30

You are being TOTALLY ridiculous to allow this kid (and her mother) to walk all over you and your dd like this. Providing her with food, free fancy shampoo, childcare and even pinching your childs clothes.
Dont be such a pushover!