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To think she's a CF?

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nopainnogain1 · 17/09/2023 16:42

My 12 year old has a school friend. This girl frequently comes home from school with DD and I feed her, care for her, she sleeps here etc when her mum's 'busy'.
She's a nice kid, but prone to a lack of respect at times. She refers to me as her second mum which is slightly odd but somewhat endearing. It's probably why I let some of her behaviour slide. Like, for example, she'll decide she needs a shower and will go in to my en-suite and help herself to my very expensive shampoo and conditioner. She takes them back to DD's bathroom, where after use she'll leave them thrown on the floor along with her wet towels. Apparently the shampoo and condition I provide for my own daughter isn't good enough for her hair type.

Anyway. On Friday after school my DD calls. Can her friend come over? Okay I say. They turn up just before dinner..... and this kid has been here ever since. She left about ten minutes ago after announcing 'I'm going! My mum's outside in the car. We're off out for dinner, bye!' Then out the front door she trots, wearing my daughter's hoodie, socks and sliders. I doubt I'll see those again. 🙄 I asked DD if she was invited out for dinner too. She wasn't.

This bothers me, and I'll tell you why. On Friday evening she tells me her mum is out in town in a date. DP and I exchanged a glance. So we are both aware that her mum's off with a new fella thus she needs the childcare and so sent her kid here.

On Saturday early eve the girls ask if they can go out and ask for money for food and drink. I send £20 to this girl's account because DD doesn't have a bank card yet and I didn't want to hand mine over.
They head off to the garden of a local very reasonably priced chain pub for a coke and a pizza before going on to meet friends at the park.

My daughter calls later on to ask for a lift home. I say no, it's still light and you're a ten minute walk away, see you shortly. She chats about their evening and says they asked her friend's mum for a lift home to ours but she was 'too drunk'. When they arrived at the pub she was already there drinking apparently.

Am I unreasonable to think that if you're going to palm your child off on someone else all weekend so you can go out to the pub and go on dates, and you've very much aware that someone else has given your daughter money for a meal out, then the very least you can do is get out of your car, come to the door and say thanks for having my child all weekend. And if you want to take your kid out for dinner afterwards, that's fine. But don't tell your DD this plan until you're well away from the house you left them at all weekend. Otherwise you just look like a massive CF!

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housethatbuiltme · 17/09/2023 17:52

Do you have doormat tattooed on you forehead?

Why are YOU doing any of that... just say 'right its time to go home', if her mam has left her and gotten too pissed to care for her then report it but shes not your child or job.

ColonelOfTruth · 17/09/2023 17:54

housethatbuiltme · 17/09/2023 17:52

Do you have doormat tattooed on you forehead?

Why are YOU doing any of that... just say 'right its time to go home', if her mam has left her and gotten too pissed to care for her then report it but shes not your child or job.

Because some people care about children even if they’re not their own.

Fallenangelofthenorth · 17/09/2023 17:54

Would you even want your daughter going for dinner with them? It would most likely have been some shitty boozer with the mother back on the sauce. Yes, she's very rude, but it doesn't sound like she cares much.

Purplebunnie · 17/09/2023 17:54

You could very gently teach this young person some respect for other people's belongings/house etc otherwise she will end up a CF like her mother and that would be a shame.

Put the same shampoo/conditioner that's in the bathroom in your en-suite and hide your expensive products. If she asks tell her you've run out/supermarket has run out/can't afford it/gone off it or want a change

Don't know what to say about your daughters clothes, if she's taken them straight out the drawer you can't exactly say they need a wash and take them off her 😂unless that is the only clean pair she's got, same with the other clothes she's "borrowing"

Its a real shame because eventually she make borrow something or ruin something that has great value to your daughter and it could ruin their friendship

SuddenlyOld · 17/09/2023 17:57

Ironic that you said if you didn't have the friend round then she'd be dragged round the pubs with her mum, then you let her and your daughter go to the pub for pizza, without an adult, age 12, on a Saturday night.

ColonelOfTruth · 17/09/2023 17:57

NorthernGirlie · 17/09/2023 17:44

She's lucky to have you - but you need to show her and your daughter how boundaries work.

My ds has his pals round all the time, the odd time the riot act needs reading it gets read, very clearly!

Text or ring the mum and say her dd has xy and z of your dd's whixh need returning by midweek.

Breezily say you hope she's had a nice child free weekend and that the girls have developed a liking for pizza and pop in the pub as a treat. Say you've paid for them both this time but that it's her turn next time. Tell her £×× covers it.

Tell the girl once more that she's not to use your things and if she does once more then sadly she won't be welcome to stay.

Take the opportunity to give through any other house rules with both girls. It's not doing anyone any good to let things fester like this.

I think this is well put. A bit of balance.

housethatbuiltme · 17/09/2023 17:58

ColonelOfTruth · 17/09/2023 17:54

Because some people care about children even if they’re not their own.

OP is letting this girl walk all over her in ways she DOESN'T let her daughter (stealing, leaving a mess, disrespecing things) this isn't a vunerable child shes 'adopted' its a teen that comes and gos for a free ride because shes found a pushover.

Every teen would rather spend the weekend at a house where they have no rules and can do anything they want. Hardly 'poor' girl, shes milking it.

Lou670 · 17/09/2023 17:58

Unfortunate that your daughter has befriended this girl and with it brings a host of problems. This is not your problem though to sort out, you should not be made to feel responsible for the other girl. Yes it is sad that her home life is shit but I would not take her and her problems on board for me to sort out. It is enough bringing up your own child/children without anyone elses! Your daughter is old enough to understand what is going on. Could you have a talk to your daughter and suggest she just sees this girl away from your home? I would also speak to the other Mother and tell her you are not prepared to be an unpaid child minder in future. It is a tough one but if you don't set boundaries now in your home, it will only escalate further as they get older. I would encourage your daughter to mix a bit more with her other peers in the class and not make herself exclusive to this girl.

nopainnogain1 · 17/09/2023 18:00

Purplebunnie · 17/09/2023 17:54

You could very gently teach this young person some respect for other people's belongings/house etc otherwise she will end up a CF like her mother and that would be a shame.

Put the same shampoo/conditioner that's in the bathroom in your en-suite and hide your expensive products. If she asks tell her you've run out/supermarket has run out/can't afford it/gone off it or want a change

Don't know what to say about your daughters clothes, if she's taken them straight out the drawer you can't exactly say they need a wash and take them off her 😂unless that is the only clean pair she's got, same with the other clothes she's "borrowing"

Its a real shame because eventually she make borrow something or ruin something that has great value to your daughter and it could ruin their friendship

She came on Friday having changed out of her school uniform with her little bag of stuff. She was wearing dirty cycling shorts and came to me on Saturday and said 'how do I get my shorts clean, they're all I've got with me'. They were covered in a grey dirty film and she was using a baby wipe to try to clean the dirt off. Poor kid. I said I'd run them through the machine for her but she said 'I've got nothing else to wear'. I feel bad for her, she deserves better.

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nopainnogain1 · 17/09/2023 18:01

SuddenlyOld · 17/09/2023 17:57

Ironic that you said if you didn't have the friend round then she'd be dragged round the pubs with her mum, then you let her and your daughter go to the pub for pizza, without an adult, age 12, on a Saturday night.

It wasn't night time. It was 4pm and they'd left by 5.30.

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nopainnogain1 · 17/09/2023 18:02

Fallenangelofthenorth · 17/09/2023 17:54

Would you even want your daughter going for dinner with them? It would most likely have been some shitty boozer with the mother back on the sauce. Yes, she's very rude, but it doesn't sound like she cares much.

Yes, you're right. I did say further up thread though that I'm glad my daughter is sitting at the table eating her dinner and not out with a drunk.

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FOJN · 17/09/2023 18:02

This young girl has a negligent parent at home the last thing she needs as a substitute is a permissive parent. She needs some boundaries to know that someone actually gives a shit about her.

If you don't start now then you will find your daughter starting to think she can imitate her friends behaviour and get away with it and you will have far bigger problems a few years down the line.

No one is concerned about two twelve years olds going out for pizza but they are very vulnerable to all sorts of people when unaccompanied in a pub on a Saturday evening.

nopainnogain1 · 17/09/2023 18:04

FOJN · 17/09/2023 18:02

This young girl has a negligent parent at home the last thing she needs as a substitute is a permissive parent. She needs some boundaries to know that someone actually gives a shit about her.

If you don't start now then you will find your daughter starting to think she can imitate her friends behaviour and get away with it and you will have far bigger problems a few years down the line.

No one is concerned about two twelve years olds going out for pizza but they are very vulnerable to all sorts of people when unaccompanied in a pub on a Saturday evening.

Just to clarify. They didn't go inside the pub. They put the app on my DDs phone and stayed outside. Pizza and coke consumed, then left to meet their other friends.

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jlpth · 17/09/2023 18:05

Poor child.

I would let some of this go, she clearly wants a mum and her mum is shit.

If she is going to be at your house that long, I'd sit them at the table and make them do homework. Your house is not a party or camp ground - it is where you bring your child up. Properly, unlike this poor girl.

It's very hard to tell where the poor little girl stops and the cheeky fucker in the making starts. Especially as mum is modelling cheeky fucker behaviour.

I just don't think it's OK that she goes off wearing your dd's hoody, sliders and socks. Has your dd invited her friend to wear those things? My teen dd sometimes comes back from her friend's house with clothing that the friend has given her. I haven't spoken to the mother about it, my dd says that friend doesn't want the clothing, it doesn't fit or whatever (my dd is a couple of sizes smaller than her friend). It's hard to know if the mother would see that as my dd walking off with her dd's clothes. So I think it's important to understand exactly how your dd's friend ended up walking off with all this stuff, before making a list and asking for it back. I'd ask the girl, not her mum. The mum is a selfish lost cause. But the girl could learn that you don't just take stuff.

I would primarily speak to your dd. It's lovely having a close friend, but it's enabling the friend to be a total piss taker and your dd might be learning how to get walked on.

SonicStars · 17/09/2023 18:05

I feel this thread is such a mix of different classes and experiences that it must be hard for you to filter through and find what's relevant to your situation.

Once kids are secondary aged it's not really babysitting, it's hanging out with friends. The mum doesn't think she owes you anything as she'd be equally fine with the girls being at her place. However the girls wouldn't be, they've chosen your house for a reason. I would continue to be a loving, caring adult figure in the girls life, but would be firm on boundaries to ensure things are how I am happy with them being. If I felt resentment I would try resolving it directly with the girl in a positive but firm manner. Tell her off about the shampoo and towels as you would your daughter. Pepper it with semi joking clichés like "under my roof" and with hugs. Don't give her money unless you want to. Tell her to go home when you need her to (unless you suspect it is unsafe for her to do so, in which case contact child protection).

Motherofacertainage · 17/09/2023 18:08

Bless you for being the reliable adult in this little girls' life. I think you sound lovely and the kid clearly enjoys being in your home and joining in with your family. Yes the mother is a CF but any attempt to address this will punish this girl who is clearly lovely and neglected rather than the parent who sounds chaotic. With any luck she will grow up to be a much more balanced adult than would have been the case without you in her life and the relationship your family have with her both now and when she is an adult will be worth far more than whatever it currently costs you financially (which I'm assuming you can comfortably afford). I am writing from experience here xx

Theblacksheepandme · 17/09/2023 18:08

OP I think it's great that you look after this girl so well but you need to seriously set some boundaries. I think you're wasting your time with this girls Mother, she obviously doesn't care.

It might be an idea to print out a list of house rules and sit both of them down. Tell both of them that if they don't follow the rules that she may not be able to visit your house any longer. You could tell her that you dont want this to happen because they care about each other so much but it may have to be done.

Tell your daughter that her clothes are no longer to be given to her friend to wear. Do you have a lock in yourself ensuite door? I know you shouldn't have to do it but for the time being do it. In relation to paying for food for both of them, work out to the last penny how much they need for pizza and coke and give your daughter cash. I would be really worried about the influence she will have on your daughter.

ThirtyThrillionThreeTrees · 17/09/2023 18:08

There's so much wrong with this.

Child's behaviour- tell her there's rules in your house and if she doesn't stuck to them she won't be let stay

Two 12 years old hanging out in a pub unsupervised- wth? The child has enough problems without hanging out in another unsuitable environment

You just accepting this- have you spoken to the mother at all.

You being annoyed daughter isn't invited to dinner- again in another suitable environment

You doing nothing about this- it's child neglect and of the mother isn't listening then school, SS and police should be informed.

SpongeBobJudgeyPants · 17/09/2023 18:11

I think @FOJN makes good points.

@nopainnogain1 you are a good person for this confused girl to have in her life. You don't have to put up with bad behaviour. If you wouldn't tolerate your DD breaking rules, the same applies.

If consistent boundary-establishing doesn't work, you may need to rethink it, but I would continue if I could, without being walked over, or having my boundaries trashed.

FWIW OP I think you are a shining example of a good deed{s} in a naughty world. The world needs more people like you. Flowers

BMW6 · 17/09/2023 18:11

OP if you really want to help this girl FFS teach her NOT to use or take other people's stuff!!

It's a lesson she can learn from you the easy way, or later in life the hard way. And it could well be a REALLY hard way.

Personally I think she's playing you like a Stradivarius.

Chocolatepopcorn · 17/09/2023 18:20

You sound very nice OP but honestly, you're being taken for a mug.

SpacePotato · 17/09/2023 18:20

What pub allows children without an adult present? Seems really odd to me.

You are being used.
Your DD is being used.

Theblacksheepandme · 17/09/2023 18:22

I would also wonder OP what boundaries your daughter has? My daughter knows what''s allowed and not allowed in our house. It would crack her up if any of her friends broke these rules.

nopainnogain1 · 17/09/2023 18:23

I'm trying hard to set boundaries with her. She's been told not to touch my things. She's been told not to take food without asking. I was surprised that after she said sorry the other week for taking my shampoo she then did it again. I bollocked her there and then.

It's interesting because I've never related it to my situation with this kid now, but I had a similar situation growing up. I got a scholarship to a private school but came from a council estate growing up and my parents were also a bit shit. Particularly my
Dad.
I had one friend who is still very special to me now, who's parents took me under their wing. They showed me how to have manners and how to behave. The even had me for one Christmas aged about 14 and bought me a few small gifts, because my own parents had other plans and didn't want to spend the day with me. Later my friends mum even helped me pass my German Spanish A-Level as she was fluent.
I'll never forget what that family gave me.

So if I can help this kid I will. I'm not going to turn my back on her when she needs some stability in her life.

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Charmatt · 17/09/2023 18:23

I understand why you are trying to make up for this child's mother, but you are being taken for a mug and you are not resolving any of her issues because you are not reporting the abuse and neglect.

You need to phone the pastoral department of the school and tell the DSL everything you know, with dates, if possible.

For this weekend, you need to tell the about Mum going out Friday night and Saturday without making childcare provision herself (your daughter and ger friend making arrangements on Friday afternoon when she knew her Mum wouldn't be around isn't good enough), her lack of clean clothes and her Mum's drunkeness.

The school are likely to have a log already and you need to give them this information so they can be informed about neglect at weekends too.

Without this, there will be no longterm change for your daughter's friend and she is likely to follow her parents traits.