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To think she's a CF?

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nopainnogain1 · 17/09/2023 16:42

My 12 year old has a school friend. This girl frequently comes home from school with DD and I feed her, care for her, she sleeps here etc when her mum's 'busy'.
She's a nice kid, but prone to a lack of respect at times. She refers to me as her second mum which is slightly odd but somewhat endearing. It's probably why I let some of her behaviour slide. Like, for example, she'll decide she needs a shower and will go in to my en-suite and help herself to my very expensive shampoo and conditioner. She takes them back to DD's bathroom, where after use she'll leave them thrown on the floor along with her wet towels. Apparently the shampoo and condition I provide for my own daughter isn't good enough for her hair type.

Anyway. On Friday after school my DD calls. Can her friend come over? Okay I say. They turn up just before dinner..... and this kid has been here ever since. She left about ten minutes ago after announcing 'I'm going! My mum's outside in the car. We're off out for dinner, bye!' Then out the front door she trots, wearing my daughter's hoodie, socks and sliders. I doubt I'll see those again. 🙄 I asked DD if she was invited out for dinner too. She wasn't.

This bothers me, and I'll tell you why. On Friday evening she tells me her mum is out in town in a date. DP and I exchanged a glance. So we are both aware that her mum's off with a new fella thus she needs the childcare and so sent her kid here.

On Saturday early eve the girls ask if they can go out and ask for money for food and drink. I send £20 to this girl's account because DD doesn't have a bank card yet and I didn't want to hand mine over.
They head off to the garden of a local very reasonably priced chain pub for a coke and a pizza before going on to meet friends at the park.

My daughter calls later on to ask for a lift home. I say no, it's still light and you're a ten minute walk away, see you shortly. She chats about their evening and says they asked her friend's mum for a lift home to ours but she was 'too drunk'. When they arrived at the pub she was already there drinking apparently.

Am I unreasonable to think that if you're going to palm your child off on someone else all weekend so you can go out to the pub and go on dates, and you've very much aware that someone else has given your daughter money for a meal out, then the very least you can do is get out of your car, come to the door and say thanks for having my child all weekend. And if you want to take your kid out for dinner afterwards, that's fine. But don't tell your DD this plan until you're well away from the house you left them at all weekend. Otherwise you just look like a massive CF!

OP posts:
wp65 · 17/09/2023 17:30

I think it sounds like this girl is very lucky to have you in her life.

HermioneWeasley · 17/09/2023 17:32

Well, I think you’re going to have to decide if you’re parenting this child or not.

yes, the mum is a massive CF and is “getting away” with not parenting her daughter, but the reality is she’s not going to be a decent mum, so you’re filling in the cracks.

personally I’d be tempted to to go “all in” - accept that to have any hope in the future this child will be with you weekends and you’ll parent her like one of your own. So not taking things that don’t belong to you, eating with everyone, in this house we value school/education and do homework at these times etc.

I agree, you can’t let her drag your daughter down, but you might be able to change a life here.

I say this as the friend of someone who when she was a teenager, someone did that for her. She’s an incredibly successful woman now whereas her brother is a heroin addict who has been in and out of prison, and she always credits her best friend’s mum with her life turning out very differently.

PuppyMonkey · 17/09/2023 17:32

You really think a woman who doesn’t see her own DD all weekend because she’s out on the piss is going to be the sort of person to say thanks for looking after her to you? Confused

Sounds like social services need to step in again here.

jeaux90 · 17/09/2023 17:32

It's a good time to teach the vulnerable girl some boundaries OP.

I'd have chat with her about your boundaries and how her taking things from your room without permission makes you feel. And taking your DDs clothes that you've worked hard to provide etc

Yes the kids mother is a CF and I feel really sorry for the young girl, neglect is not a nice feeling.

Lulu1919 · 17/09/2023 17:33

Sorry I'm still wondering how many 12 year olds go to the pub for dinner alone !!

M4J4 · 17/09/2023 17:33

I really wouldn’t be swayed by her size. There was a girl at my school who was a foot shorter than me and was a right little shit.

I’m not saying this girl is as bad but it’s clear she knows you are a mug and can be mugged off with a card and an ‘i love you’ whilst she steals from you and dd.

ambitchious · 17/09/2023 17:34

Lulu1919 · 17/09/2023 17:33

Sorry I'm still wondering how many 12 year olds go to the pub for dinner alone !!

I’m wondering too. I’m not in the UK, is this really normal? It sounds worrying.

Meeting · 17/09/2023 17:34

Does the mum ever actually contact you directly? Does she ask permission to stay or thank you for having her daughter?

Beaverbridge · 17/09/2023 17:34

Feel sorry for the child. Obviously she has no home life, she wonted even know to put wet towels in a wash basket. She's very lucky to have you. On the other hand she is not your responsibility. It's a difficult situation.

Crumpleton · 17/09/2023 17:35

Your daughters friend is just a younger version of her mum.

Lilibert456 · 17/09/2023 17:37

Why on earth do you find it difficult to set boundaries and stick to them? The girl needs stability in her life and that means sticking to the rules you set. She is going to get away with whatever you let her get away with. A sorry doesn't cut it if you go and do the same again. She needs some discipline. You sound like a kind caring lady but you are helping no one by being a push over. I would be contacting social services. She is going to need more help than you can give her.

FrenchandSaunders · 17/09/2023 17:38

As they head into their teens you’re going to have a whole lot of shit with this set up.

Lilibert456 · 17/09/2023 17:39

I also agree that she is a young version of her mother and you may live to regret your kindness. Sad to say.

Henbags · 17/09/2023 17:39

You sound like a really lovely mum and this girl is very lucky to have you in her life. Definitely have a word with the mum but it might fall on deaf ears!

wellandtruly · 17/09/2023 17:39

You should have stopped her walking out of the door in your DD’s clothes. And honestly, you should have stopped them going to the pub. I’m shocked at that most of all. I think you need support in how to deal with all this. Your own DD is being taken advantage of, and your priority is to her.

Mari9999 · 17/09/2023 17:43

,@nopainnogain1
What about this mom has suggested that she would handle anything in an appropriate manner? It is absurd at this point to have any expectations of this woman. You are doing a good deed for the child and if or until it exceeds what you are capable if doing or willing to do, in your place I would soldier on with no expectations of the mom.

If you were to look into this child's background, you would likely find a series of friendships much like this one that happened exactly like the friendship with your daughter all of which ended when the parents grew weary of being used by the girl's mom.

You are likely "the second in a long line if second moms." It is unfortunate that anyone with properly functioning parts is permitted to give birth We have regulations in place requiring you to demonstrate that you are safely capable of driving a car and yet none in place for providing that you are properly capable of taking care of another human being.
Interesting the priority that we as a society that we place on the care of our children.

NorthernGirlie · 17/09/2023 17:44

She's lucky to have you - but you need to show her and your daughter how boundaries work.

My ds has his pals round all the time, the odd time the riot act needs reading it gets read, very clearly!

Text or ring the mum and say her dd has xy and z of your dd's whixh need returning by midweek.

Breezily say you hope she's had a nice child free weekend and that the girls have developed a liking for pizza and pop in the pub as a treat. Say you've paid for them both this time but that it's her turn next time. Tell her £×× covers it.

Tell the girl once more that she's not to use your things and if she does once more then sadly she won't be welcome to stay.

Take the opportunity to give through any other house rules with both girls. It's not doing anyone any good to let things fester like this.

Therealjudgejudy · 17/09/2023 17:44

Omg, time to get some boundaries and acting like an adult.

Aworldofwonder · 17/09/2023 17:45

Ah the poor girl. You sound wonderful OP. For what it's worth I too had a second mum and I will never ever forget or stop appreciating the love and kindness she showed me. When my parents divorced and I was moved I would have done anything to be left with them.

viques · 17/09/2023 17:46

I don’t think she is crying out for a mother, she is crying out for some boundaries which will give her guidance for future relationships with all the people in the world who aren’t her mother !

The kindest thing you can do for her is to sit her down,tell her she is always very welcome to come to your house, you really like having her to stay because she and dd get on so well, you think it is great to have such a close friendship, you think she is a lovely girl, you love her sense of humour and her strength of character ( really lay it on, you need to build her self esteem up) BUT you need her to listen very carefully because if she wants to stay, and you hope she does, then in your house she has to live by your house rules, it’s what you expect from dd and it is what you expect from dear friend.

Then tell her the things that are really bugging you, towels, shampoo, borrowing clothes and not returning them etc.

nopainnogain1 · 17/09/2023 17:47

Lulu1919 · 17/09/2023 17:33

Sorry I'm still wondering how many 12 year olds go to the pub for dinner alone !!

It's full of kids. We go there regularly with ours too. The girls just sat outside in the garden in the sun, had a pizza and a coke and left. Hardly a rave where they're going to take hard drugs. JFC.

OP posts:
ColonelOfTruth · 17/09/2023 17:50

I think you’re kind and compassionate and we need more people like you in the world frankly. I was in a similar situation when my daughter was younger. I wouldn’t have just cut the poor child off. It’s not children’s fault that there are far too many ever so slightly shit parents in the world.

Screamingabdabz · 17/09/2023 17:50

I’m going against the grain and going to say that your dd is the biggest lever you have here. Tell her that although you’re happy to have her best mate over some of the time, it’s tipped into something more and you will be stricter in future about sleepovers, toiletry usage, meals etc.

The fact that her mother is a useless dipstick does not mean you pick up the slack. If she can afford to get pissed at the pub, she can afford to entertain your dd as much as you do hers. If this is not forthcoming then sorry, they’ll have to do without two night sleepovers. And don’t be giving her money - they can have beans on toast and the en-suite is out of bounds. Your dd must police this too - not just you.

Lilibert456 · 17/09/2023 17:51

The drink and drugs will come in a couple of years unless you get a grip now.

GarlicGrace · 17/09/2023 17:51

nopainnogain1 · 17/09/2023 17:27

I'm going to have a word with the mum and tell her what I think.
I've also asked my DD how she feels about her friend being here all weekend and so often. She said she's her best friend, of course she likes her being here. As for the 'borrowing' clothes, I'm writing a list of the items that haven't been returned and will give it to the mum when I have a word.

There's no way I'm going to just cut this kid off. She's sweet and kind. She's absolutely tiny too, which makes me feel she's perhaps more vulnerable than she actually is. But she tells me she loves me and she made me a Mother's Day card etc, so I think she's crying out for a maternal figure. Yes she's a cheeky little madam with things like helping herself to my things, but I do care for her very much.

I'm glad she's got you. I think you're more than entitled to parent her while she's with you - tell her what's what regarding house rules, impose sanctions if really needed, and make her take off DD's clothes! She needs the acceptance you're providing, and also the security of rules & boundaries.

Good luck. However this pans out for her, your positive influence will be with her for life.