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Wassapp · 2023-09-16T21:07:16+00:00

AIBU to think... 'here we go again?' Anyone watching? I've always said 'innocent until proven guilty' but also 'there is no smoke without fire'. Having been sexually assaulted myself, one of the stories seem so similar to mine. What's your thoughts? This is the most confusing post, I know. I just don't know how I feel.

ThriceInALifetime · 17/09/2023 09:04

I've never seen the attraction about him, thought he looked like he needed a good wash. Didn't find him funny at all. He seemed to be everywhere for a while, on TV, the news etc.
The Andrew Sachs episode was awful, at the time I thought it didn't really affect his popularity, maybe I'm wrong.
Remember being surprised about him marrying Katy Perry.
Was really angry when a few years ago he was telling people not to vote, thought there would be a lot of young people who would believe his rubbish .
The Dispatches show was a really difficult watch, hope all the poor women are getting support.

Ididivfama · 17/09/2023 09:04

ZickZack · 16/09/2023 22:23

I've read a lot of posts on here today saying "oh but he's always been honest about who he is / about having a lot of sex" etc.
But what if that was all a cover because he knew it would come out one day?

Completely. And it makes it so much harder for women to come out because he’s always joked about being a sex addict so a woman is going to feel like she ‘wanted it’ or ‘I told you so’.

Livelovebehappy · 17/09/2023 09:06

Superfans · 17/09/2023 08:52

Clearly he’s been a total asshole to women in the past and deserves to be named and shamed. He is openly regretful about his past and claims to have changed but i still understand why the women want to speak out, The illegal accusations should have gone to police in an ideal world. There are questions about why he continued with bbc when they were aware of his behaviour. However he isn’t currently working with and large media companies.

If you think the attention and focus this has been given is not mainly because his current work is about challenging powerful interests you are totally clueless. He is not right wing. He is anti corruption and antiestablishment. That’s the real issue

His behaviour, while horrible, is likely similar to that of many celebrities in the nineties and early nougties. It’s nothing like Saville who was protected by powerful interests and not exposed in his lifetime despite complaints to the police.

Why are the Sunday times not investigating Ghilane maxwells client list? That would be story of the year. This story is clearly because of other agendas.

Agree with you about Ghirlandaio Maxwell. Absolutely disgusting that the high profile men hinted at during investigations were never brought to account. There are many men who should be sat in prison for what happened there, and it was obviously a massive cover up aided by the President and his team. Unfortunately Maxwell will never reveal her book of names, because she saw what happened to Epstein.

Ididivfama · 17/09/2023 09:06

iamwhatiam23 · 17/09/2023 08:48

All i could think while i was watching it was " how have i never noticed before how creepy he is and so similar to Jimmy saville?" I always knew he was a an arrogant twat but the weird, creepy vibe really didn't register until last night.

Personally always found him creepy. He’s so obviously creepy it’s like it’s a joke.

Livelovebehappy · 17/09/2023 09:07

*Ghilane.

babyproblems · 17/09/2023 09:07

I would have been shocked if the doc had said he never ever had been accused of a sexual offence tbh. I am amazed that this is the first time any of this has ‘come out’? Also have any of the women been to the police? I am not at all comfortable with the trial by investigative journalism - if it’s true surely it will go forward with the police? How on earth you’d prove this now after such a long time I have no idea. I still wouldn’t class this as ‘the biggest news story of the year’

GreekDogRescue · 17/09/2023 09:08

This stuck in my mind too.
She said he became possessed, like a different person entered his body.
Terrifying.

Ididivfama · 17/09/2023 09:08

etherealfae · 17/09/2023 07:32

@Anotherrname
Personally this is my take, there's a lot of them exactly the same as Brand, all hiding under an open secret. But since Brand has turned anti-MSM and isn't following by their rules anymore they've decided to expose him right back, maybe that sounds crazy, but it's rather convinient.

Walliams is another example... if you know you know!

Awful abhorrent creeps, burn them all at the stake

Yep. So there was rumours about Schofield, Brand and now just waiting for DW.

omgsally · 17/09/2023 09:08

FOJN · 17/09/2023 08:35

I thought the clip of his interview with Emily Maitlis was very telling, he was rattled and his mask slipped.

Agreed and also the Question Time clip where he referred to the woman as love in the most condescending manner possible. He quickly checked himself when challenged but it's there just under the surface. He's a vile and angry misogynist.

trythisforsize · 17/09/2023 09:09

FOJN · 17/09/2023 08:35

I thought the clip of his interview with Emily Maitlis was very telling, he was rattled and his mask slipped.

Yes, and when Bob Geldof called him a c--t. Geldof said it as if from a place of knowing something - then fixed him with another look. Brand froze, no witty retort from him then.

notlucreziaborgia · 17/09/2023 09:11

“If you think the attention and focus this has been given is not mainly because his current work is about challenging powerful interests you are totally clueless. He is not right wing. He is anti corruption and antiestablishment. That’s the real issue”

LOL. Massively overstating the importance of a YouTube grifter. What is he challenging, exactly? And why would ‘powerful interests’ be particularly concerned? Actually, why would ‘powerful interests’ engineer this, knowing full well his conspiracy theorist supporters would do exactly what they are doing, bleating that he’s being persecuted by the ever poorly defined ‘them’? As if said ‘powerful interests’ wouldn’t be able to shut him up quietly, quickly, and effectively if they were indeed so concerned.

Ididivfama · 17/09/2023 09:13

Ollifer · 17/09/2023 08:52

Sorry haven't been able to read the whole thread. But I was very saddened and felt sick watching the documentary, I don't always agree with his bollocks these days but I was a fan back in the day and thought he was just a very open book with a lot of issues going on in his personal life. I read his books and thought he had a lot of self insight. Clearly he's just another misogynistic pig who treats women like meat. I wonder how he's feeling this morning! Although as he went ahead with his show last night maybe he's not feeling as terrible as he should.

Pretty sure he’s in denial and going to keep to his rhetoric. He’s clever.

Wowokthanks · 17/09/2023 09:13

I thought this too.
I used to think he was fabulous, I used to think it was mostly for shock factor. I was in my teens and early 20s when he was big.

In my 30s, seeing some of the clips back, what a crass, odious little man.

"I don't have any sisters, but I have an assistant I'll send to you" He said to Jimmy Saville.

HundredMilesAnHour · 17/09/2023 09:15

MrsJellybee · 17/09/2023 07:58

God, I remember an aspirational piece in Just 17 in the mid-90s about Peter Stringfellow's latest girlfriend who was 17. The piece was in her own words and she said how welcoming her family were of him.

Let's not forget Bill Wyman dating 13 year old Mandy Smith back in the 80s. He was 34 years older than her. That was all over the press. She says they had sex from when she was 14.

Allthatwegotisthispalebluedot · 17/09/2023 09:20

The documentary last night also reminded me how much of a massive cunt Jonathan Ross came across in Andrew Sachs-gate as well! I know it’s not the point but he is an arsehole and it would be good for that to go viral again just so he’s reminded that we’ve not forgotten what an utter bell end he is.

CwmYoy · 17/09/2023 09:21

I couldn't be arsed to watch it - are any of the accusations recent? News coverage seems to imply it all happened 10 years ago and more.

Why have they dug it up now?

He's always been a lecherous creep - not sure what women expected when invited to his room. I would have known for sure.

CherryMaDeara · 17/09/2023 09:21

MetaverseMavis · 17/09/2023 02:32

To me the most astounding information was 16 yr old Alice telling her mum she met 30yr old RB and her mother allowing the date to happen and on another occasion driving her to RBs home and allowing her 16yr old to stay over with him. What shockingly poor judgement by the mother. Who enabled RB with her lack of boundaries for her daughter

A man has been accused of raping women and forcing his cock in their mouth and his hand in their pants and the most astounding bit for you is a woman who has done nothing illegal.

Your victim blaming and misogyny is so obvious you might as well just say ‘they asked for it’.

FOJN · 17/09/2023 09:22

GETTINGLIKEMYMOTHER · 17/09/2023 09:00

Did anyone else really get the shivers when one woman said that when he was forcing himself on her, his eyes changed - they turned black, as if someone else had entered his body?

Of course I don’t believe in any such thing, and she didn’t even hint at it either, but I couldn’t help thinking of the old beliefs about people being possessed by devils!

It was very chilling. I don't believe in devils or possession but I have experienced what she described and it's hard to comprehend unless you've seen it. My exH's eyes would change when he was angry and "black" was how I would have described them. It was fleeting but it was there and a warning that some form of punishment was coming, not necessarily immediately. He exhibited narc traits too. I've never seen it with anyone else.

mosiacmaker · 17/09/2023 09:22

@Livelovebehappy I tend to agree with you. And plenty of women in a situation of being spotted in a crowd and given a number for backstage would have went in with eyes wide open looking for a celebrity hook up, so it seems a bit puritan to me that we paint that whole culture with the same brush - are people not allowed to hook up with celebrities anymore or have casual sex with someone richer or more famous than them because of the “power imbalance”? Isn’t that precisely what makes it a sought after experience for a lot of people? Obviously consent needs to be sought but I believe that adults should be free to meet and have sex however they like, and if that’s that you get spotted in a crowd and invited for a shag after the gig then that should be completely ok, as long as no one is being forced or coerced.

neverbeenskiing · 17/09/2023 09:24

Those crying "trial by media" and saying they will only believe Brand is a sex offender if he is "convicted in court" not only underestimate the power and value of serious investigative journalism, they naively overestimate the integrity of our criminal justice system in relation to sex crimes. This documentary is not based idle speculation, it was the result of years of rigorous investigation.

The conviction rate for rape and sexual assault is absolutely woeful. The vast majority of ordinary, non-wealthy, non-famous men who commit sexual offences never see the inside of a court room, yet alone a prison cell. What do you honestly think these womens chances were of being believed, of their complaints being thoroughly investigated, against a rich, famous man in a position of considerable media influence with unlimited resources and hefty PR and Legal teams at his disposal?

It is well documented that women and girls who go to the Police with allegations of sexual assault often report that the process was just as traumatic, if not more so, than the assault itself and they rarely recieve justice at the end of it. For Brand's victims, the stakes were even higher as it would have been easy for him (and the corporations who had a financial and reputational stake in him) to make their lives, and that of their families an utter misery.

Those wondering why these women were willing to speak to Channel 4 and The Times but not the Police, the answer is obvious. Because it was safer for them. Because Channel 4 and The Times were actually listening. Because Channel 4 and The Times were willing and able to conduct the kind of lengthy, detailed, rigorous investigation that most rape victims who do down the criminal justice route haven't a hope in hell of getting.

MoonriseKingdom · 17/09/2023 09:24

For the people saying ‘Trial by media’ go and watch the film ‘Spotlight’. It powerfully shows the importance of investigative journalism. If those journalists had just told the victims to go to the police and hadn’t investigated then the Catholic Church would still be covering up abuse.

Ponoka7 · 17/09/2023 09:24

Redlarge · 17/09/2023 08:37

He spoke about this on one of his stand ups. He was turning up off his head and in that same sketch was talking about being sexual abusive to a woman but obviously didnt say that. I remember being disgusted. Ill try and find the clip.

Show quote history

Except he got clean in 2002 and didn't do Hop until 2011.
I also didn't think the the Andrew Sachs scandal had enough effect on his or Johnathan Ross's career. However like pp I don't like trial by media, it smacks of the News of the World and them declaring themselves as a paragon of upholding public decency. There's been a rape/abuse culture allowed across broadcasting and they've allowed some people to be untouchable. That needs addressing. I believe that RB has committed rape and probably other offences, but I agree that giving out his number, making offers, having ONS is irrelevant and his business. Sleezy, if you want, but not illegal. Those that were happy to act as go betweens, in the studio, paid by C4 etc is the questionable bit.

OhhhhhhhhBiscuits · 17/09/2023 09:24

CwmYoy · 17/09/2023 09:21

I couldn't be arsed to watch it - are any of the accusations recent? News coverage seems to imply it all happened 10 years ago and more.

Why have they dug it up now?

He's always been a lecherous creep - not sure what women expected when invited to his room. I would have known for sure.

Maybe, just maybe they expected something consensual and not to be abused or raped.

And just because it happened 10+ years ago doesn't make a difference. An offence could happen 50 years ago, its still an offence and that person is still a rapist or abuser even if they have committed no offences since.

notlucreziaborgia · 17/09/2023 09:27

‘Innocent until proven guilty’ is a legal precedent, it doesn’t mean people in the public sphere can’t consider him to be a sexual predator.

CherryMaDeara · 17/09/2023 09:28

Superfans · 17/09/2023 08:52

Clearly he’s been a total asshole to women in the past and deserves to be named and shamed. He is openly regretful about his past and claims to have changed but i still understand why the women want to speak out, The illegal accusations should have gone to police in an ideal world. There are questions about why he continued with bbc when they were aware of his behaviour. However he isn’t currently working with and large media companies.

If you think the attention and focus this has been given is not mainly because his current work is about challenging powerful interests you are totally clueless. He is not right wing. He is anti corruption and antiestablishment. That’s the real issue

His behaviour, while horrible, is likely similar to that of many celebrities in the nineties and early nougties. It’s nothing like Saville who was protected by powerful interests and not exposed in his lifetime despite complaints to the police.

Why are the Sunday times not investigating Ghilane maxwells client list? That would be story of the year. This story is clearly because of other agendas.

No, it’a alleged he is a total RAPIST, don’t minimise it by the laddish statement that he was a total arsehole.

He is openly regretful about his past and claims to have changed but i still understand why the women want to speak out

OF COURSE they want to speak out, they were raped. Him being regretful is not enough, he needs to be jailed when found guilty.

If your daughter was raped, would you get over it if the rapist was regretful?

It’s nothing like Saville who was protected by powerful interests and not exposed in his lifetime despite complaints to the police.

It is similar. The women were raped and were scared to speak up.

And he was protected. Did you not watch the documentary? The stand up comedian Daniel Sloss said if comedians made a joke about RB they were asked not to and they felt intimidated into complying.