Russell Brand

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AIBU to think... 'here we go again?'

Anyone watching? I've always said 'innocent until proven guilty' but also 'there is no smoke without fire'.

Having been sexually assaulted myself, one of the stories seem so similar to mine.

What's your thoughts?

This is the most confusing post, I know. I just don't know how I feel.

Ive always thought there is something creepy about katy perry. She makes me feel really uncomfortable, always referring to having sold her soul and satantic references in her act. Kissing and groping underage boys, sexually assaulting an actor, bo burnam warning her to leave him alone on stage, the allegation of sexually assaulting that women, getting the dying man to sign over his house and the pursuing the nuns till one died actually in court fighting her. Shes a complete wrong un.

Just to make clear I loathe the bones of this man but I have concerns about trial by media.

It doesn't seem to allow for people turning their lives around after appalling behaviours. Is there no hope for any sinners? No redemption?

This makes me feel very uneasy.

@CwmYoy , must say I always found him repulsive, too - so avoided watching anything with him in.

Can’t say I was remotely surprised by all these allegations.

I've loathed him and Johnathan Ross since they harrased Andrew Sachs. Horrible man . No woman would still be working with that sort of known behaviour let alone what's coming out now.

It is just another example of a the truth being already out there but in an altered form. It was well reported that Brand was a prolific womaniser - we need to realise that it is invariably the case the men described as such have issues around consent.

Maybe not, no. Because that puts the onus on victims to forgive, and to remain quiet, because the ‘redemption’ of the person (who has never in fact been held accountable!) who committed crimes against them is considered more important than the horror he put them through.

Most likely because a journalist started asking questions.

Also, the 16yo victim approached RB’s agency in 2020 and was accused of wanting money.

That could have made her more determined and more willing to speak to journalist.

Will you be happy enough if it is your child that is found guilty by media. You never know what is heading for your family.

I get that and investigative journalism is important, but it's like there wasn't enough to fill the program, so they go picky and petty. RB was, at times, hired because of his persona, not in spite of it. They would have easily filled the program had they gone into the power dynamics within broadcasting, including themselves.

This sums up how I feel about the whole shit-show.

Sorry, I'm assuming this isn't aimed at me?

I believe the women. I used to find RB entertaining, just because of his bouncy chaotic behaviour (it was always very obvious he was a narc though) until Sachsgate and then I just thought he was a slimy creep. The documentary has made me re-visit the 00s and its absolutely shocking how women were treated during that time. At the time it just seemed "normal" and even I was brainwashed into thinking it was just the status quo. But it wasnt ok, it wasnt ok at all. Attitudes towards women then were utterly revolting (heck, they still are now, but in different ways).

"I actually think we are going backwards - the lads i grew up with and encountered at school and uni were mostly nice, respectful young men - the sleazes and braggers were ostracised but the things the lads my daughters ages seem to think are ok are appalling and it's accepted in the social norm"

I agree @worriedatwork123 . DD18 has experienced horrible sexism and misogyny from lads her age whilst in school...from yr9 onwards.

Redemption comes after paying for your sins.

If he’s guilty, he should do his time in jail and then you can have the redemption you crave.

I’m also worried for his kids. If it’s true that he was referring to himself as ‘Daddy’ around the 16yo (as mentioned in the documentary) then do you not worry for his children?

Given my recent very painful experience, probably more than you want to think.

The program was 1.5 hours long because there was so much.

If there wasn’t much Dispatches would have been it’s usual spot of 1 hour.

What did you find picky and petty?

So as he may not (no proof this behaviour hasn't been ongoing) have committed these offences recently and he is seen to have turned his life around with all his anti government and MSM bullshit he should be forgiven? Wtf is that about?

He hasn't been punished for his alleged behaviour? Why should anyone forgive him? Why should he have redemption?

This will have been scrutinised with hundreds of lawyer hours to what could be printed and broadcast. I have no doubts that they probably had other evidence that the lawyers told them they could not print of broadcast as the evidence wasn't strong enough. Do you honestly think that Brand's lawyers (who knew about this for a long time) would have just let them print or broadcast? He has been very litigious in the past and stopped similar stories being broadcast. What stopped him and his lawyers this time? Was it the overwhelming proof from the 3 years of work by the journalists? Why would be apologise for raping a woman if it didn't happen? This isn't trial by media, this is putting facts out there.

Ive just watched the Despatch programme then watched his denial on you tube. Why would he think that he is so dangerous to the establishment that all this is a conspiracy to get him. Who does he think he is. I think he is so yuk when he was talking about blow jobs and gagging and yet the audience was not exactly loving it and laughing it up. I have never liked him but when these accusations come out Im never surprised now after Jimmy Savile and Rolf Harris and all. I get more angry that people know about it and cover up for the so called star, its these people that should also be brought to account, the lot of them are truly disgusting. Its all to do with viewing figures and money every time.

Well Saville's poor victims didn't start coming out til he was dead.

It's because these are powerful men in a powerful industry. People are intimidated and scared into keeping quiet.

It's not really that difficult to comprehend, so HTH.

"concerns about trial by media" is just becoming a tiresome trope now, and honestly, I think PP's coming out with this have no meaningful concern at all. It's pure contrarianism.

There's been more of a faux display of "concern about trial by media' on here than there has been concern about the women who clearly suffered at the hands of Brand. And the millions of other women that are still affected by rape, sexual coercion and harassment. Because really, surely that's the whole point of exposing predators like him, it's not just the women involved in this case themselves.

Also need to remember a journalists job is to write a column (or a front page), to file a report or make a tv programme.
While I agree that these women have been raped/abused/taken advantage of by a famous man the police and court. have to provide a watertight case - the media can leave gaps.
It has been like that for so long people in power or famous taking advantage of others

It seems evident from watching the Dispatches programme that lack of effective, transparent recruitment in the world of TV and other sectors where the demand to work in those areas means there is a massive power imbalance,where people are feeling lucky to have their job as it is via luck, nepotism or favours is also part of the issue.

He is vile. Always had him down as a wrong un so not at all surprised.

I am glad some people have raised Sam Taylor Wood. Grim predatory behaviour. Cannot believe there has not been more outrage to be honest.