Russell Brand

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AIBU to think... 'here we go again?'

Anyone watching? I've always said 'innocent until proven guilty' but also 'there is no smoke without fire'.

Having been sexually assaulted myself, one of the stories seem so similar to mine.

What's your thoughts?

This is the most confusing post, I know. I just don't know how I feel.

Finally watched the documentary. I’m shocked at a lot of the responses on here as I found the documentary really weak in terms of the “evidence” provided.

It’s been clear to just about anyone for years and years that he was a promiscuous man who clearly partook in drink and drug culture. He certainly wouldn’t be the kind of person I’d “trust” to have a lovey-dovey trustworthy and meaningful relationship with.

Most of the accounts don’t make sense when you think about them logistically. A lot of them outright contradict themselves as well. Ie one of them where she admitted she was jealous of him sleeping with other females yet when he made advances towards here she absolutely didn’t want to, despite having consensual and non problematic sex with him prior and continuing to work with him? Afraid to be in the house alone with him but it was fine every other time prior, but suddenly this time was different?

Bonus points if you word drop “grooming” into a sentence as well, despite every single one admitting they went into, straight off the deep end, willingly.

The 16 year olds family needs to be held to account for allowing such a relationship to occur. There’s not a hope I’d hell I’d let my daughter out of the house to hang out with Russell fucking Brand. And before anyone says that they maybe didn’t know- they’ve gone on record confirming they knew the relationship happened. Has it been confirmed that Russell knew she was 16? I would have assumed she would have said something to the affect of “he knew I was 16 and didn’t care”.

At the end of the day, this should have been a police investigation and not an hour and a half long show of actors talking about things that supposedly happened with little to no evidence behind them.

I wouldn’t be shocked if more of the evidence was refuted over the coming weeks. Russell is clearly a problematic person but there’s a difference between problematic and illegal behaviour.

A non biased investigation needs to happen where all the “evidence” is properly examined and the truth sought out, whatever that truth may be.

It should never have been made into a programme where the main focus was to make £ and to push engagement.

@PlantPotPaintPot you clearly haven’t thought about it ‘logistically’ at all.

Your post has been done a hundred times upthread, it’s boring reading the same old victim blaming and minimising, maybe RTFT and then post.

You may think that. I believe that I am applying critical thinking and a desire to wait for undeniable evidence. Which the police will find and present.

I feel more sorry for RB’s wife and children and I think this should all be investigated properly.

How do you know that they’re victims?

You've assumed this from a tv show. Do you do all your research from heavily edited tv programmes with paid actors? Tiny snippets of “evidence” and statements that have been edited so much that “…” appears every sentence?

I’ll post what I like, you aren’t an authority on who posts what on Mumsnet.

If you feel more sorry for RB’s wife and kids rather than the women he raped then I pity you. What a small minded person.

You would be singing a very different tune if it was your daughter he raped.

You can post what you like just as I can call it out for the sneery drivel it is.

Yes, I believe Dispatches (which has been running since the 1980s) and a broadsheet newspaper over the likes of you and Mumof118 anyday.

@CherryMaDeara

Did he though?

Yes, I believe the women, that he did.

If you were actually interested in critical thinking, you’d probably have taken a moment to learn when time stamps are or are not displayed about text messages. The absence of a time stamp simply indicates that the reply was reasonably quick.

You’d also know that it is extremely rare for ‘undeniable’ evidence to be found in cases of sexual assault or rape, hence the extremely low conviction rates. What evidence, that might realistically exist, would you accept?

If you want to wait for undeniable evidence then do that, and spare us, rather than claim the texts have been doctored. The journalists saw the actual phone, with the actual messages.

Your wish has been granted. The police are now investigating.

Sometimes it takes a crowd of voices and supporters, in the form of investigative journalists, to get an investigation going.

Is this good enough for you, I wonder?

It should have been investigated beforehand, not now. It’s a bit daft to not go to the police but go straight to a tv production company.

None of the women stated they’d gone to the police but hadn’t been taken seriously. They just didn’t go.

And yes, journalists are suddenly the heroes of the truth. Since when?

It is extremely rare in rape or sexual assault cases that undeniable evidence comes out, which you know.

But when there are multiple accusers that tends to be one of the most undeniable pieces of evidence that you can get.

@Panaa

No it isn’t. Especially when the evidence provided is as weak as what was in the programme. And that’s them “showcasing” the “best” of what they have.

None of that will ever stand up in court and you know it.

Why is it daft? The women have played a blinder, they’ve brought down a rapist and got Scotland Yard on the case.

And women went to the police about Savile but nothing happened. Why would you anything has changed? 97% of rapists still get away with rape.

i think theres loads of stuff that wasnt revealed for legal purposes

its taken them along time to put this together

Yes, it will stand up in court. I predict he will be jailed within 2 years. Then you can sit and lament about the ‘witch hunt’ with the other fangirls and fanbois.

@CherryMaDeara

You think he’ll be jailed for what exactly? Every single piece of “evidence” can be argued away with very little effort. Some PPs have already given examples of what will be argued and they’ve had a few hours at most to jot that down.

Just wait until a £££ barrister and legal team has time to delve into their private lives and expose every uncomfortable detail from their lives that they’ve done of the last x years.

It’s unpleasant and uncomfortable but it’s exactly what will happen.

I can see him very easily walking “free”.

I think (and hope) he’ll be jailed for rape and sexual assault.

We haven’t seen all the evidence.

How many of the incidents happened in the states?

And that’s why we don’t report because we will get pulled apart in court, media, community
we will be asked why did you go to meet him if you didn’t want to get raped?

@CherryMaDeara

Haven't seen “all the evidence” yet you’ve already made up your mind.

This proves my point entirely. You’ve just decided he’s guilty because he’s a wacky white bloke and it’s a bunch of women who have said this about him.

It’s nothing to do with evidence. It’s to do with your own opinion that was formed within the first 2 minutes of the show being aired. You were never going to watch the show and think he was innocent. Regardless of what was said.

It’s not for me to decide if he’s guilty, that’s for the court.

But yes, based on the evidence I’ve seen SO FAR, I believe he will be found guilty. I believe there is more evidence about his crimes yet to come.

Actually, I watched the show with an open mind, as I really didn’t know much about his personal life, beyond that he married Katy Perry and dated Jemima Khan. But the investigation conducted by Dispatches was extremely meticulous and compelling and I do believe there is more to come.

The police are now investigating and urging more women to come forward.

Like Rolf Harris and Jeffrey Epstein and Jimmy Savile, RB will be exposed.

More women have already come forward.

The police are now investigating.

The general public are now aware of what was for years an open secret...

You'd think that would make all the shoulda/coulda/I woulda gone to the police posters happy.

The day of reckoning is coming for RB.

He can’t hide forever. A cowardly waste of space, preying on young girls.

I hope his daughters grow up and see him for the scum he is.