Russell Brand

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AIBU to think... 'here we go again?'

Anyone watching? I've always said 'innocent until proven guilty' but also 'there is no smoke without fire'.

Having been sexually assaulted myself, one of the stories seem so similar to mine.

What's your thoughts?

This is the most confusing post, I know. I just don't know how I feel.

Did you watch the program? The girls were saying that he does exactly what he says he does on the show.

When he sprang to fame I couldn't see why - was just crude and not funny - but behaved as if the whole world (well 50% of it) was desperate for his dick in one way or another

You are assuming the police will do anything about it and or it goes anywhere.

The segue into the alt-right is relatively recent.

Can’t be bothered to type up the same points again, so copying and pasting from the last thread: As if ‘open’ people don’t also conceal, and/or are open precisely to conceal. ‘He/she’s an open book, so it can’t be true!’ is a fabulous defence against allegations of wrongdoing. It’s manipulation 101 tbh, being open about lesser bad behaviours gives credence to denials of more serious ones.

Also manipulation 101 is selling a lie with truth. If 90% of a statement is truth, people are inclined to swallow the 10% that is a lie without much question.

Channel 4 are hardly innocent. They basically groomed girls and threw them at him, based on the fact they where giving and taking numbers. So if this is all true then they are to blame as well.

All i could think while i was watching it was " how have i never noticed before how creepy he is and so similar to Jimmy saville?" I always knew he was a an arrogant twat but the weird, creepy vibe really didn't register until last night.

@Redlarge whats the issue, I am just saying he is not that good looking for me at all, looks strange all over.
Like wanna be dated rockstar in that black and white clothes, I suppose now he looks more settled with children..

I have never liked the guy and could never fathom why nobody could see what a predator he was. I didn't watch the programme because i truly think trial by media is wrong. What really did sicken me was watching a video of his show in London last night and seeing the standing ovation he received form the men and women in the audience, they are sick people too.

The same could have been said for Harris and Hall etc though, but enough women did go forward and it resulted in their convictions.
The police may ignore one woman, but they can't ignore several.

He is utterly vile. How could people sit in an audience and listen to him gloat about ramming his penis down someone’s throat, making gagging noises then saying about mascara running and then laugh?!?! Ergh. He is disgusting . And all this wellness is bullshit. If you have that sense of depravity in you, it’s in you and it doesn’t matter how many yoga poses you do!

Sorry haven't been able to read the whole thread. But I was very saddened and felt sick watching the documentary, I don't always agree with his bollocks these days but I was a fan back in the day and thought he was just a very open book with a lot of issues going on in his personal life. I read his books and thought he had a lot of self insight. Clearly he's just another misogynistic pig who treats women like meat. I wonder how he's feeling this morning! Although as he went ahead with his show last night maybe he's not feeling as terrible as he should.

Clearly he’s been a total asshole to women in the past and deserves to be named and shamed. He is openly regretful about his past and claims to have changed but i still understand why the women want to speak out, The illegal accusations should have gone to police in an ideal world. There are questions about why he continued with bbc when they were aware of his behaviour. However he isn’t currently working with and large media companies.

If you think the attention and focus this has been given is not mainly because his current work is about challenging powerful interests you are totally clueless. He is not right wing. He is anti corruption and antiestablishment. That’s the real issue

His behaviour, while horrible, is likely similar to that of many celebrities in the nineties and early nougties. It’s nothing like Saville who was protected by powerful interests and not exposed in his lifetime despite complaints to the police.

Why are the Sunday times not investigating Ghilane maxwells client list? That would be story of the year. This story is clearly because of other agendas.

To the posters saying he should be tried in court...really? The conviction rate for rape is a couple of percent. If I was raped and there were any aspects that I thought may be considered grey areas by others, and a lack of absolute proof, there is absolutely no chance I'd put myself through that, to end up with a 95%+ of him walking away.

I'm not saying I think he is guilty or not as haven't watched the program, and am not saying trial by media is always right (although factually if x number if women have made allegations against the same person then that sounds like it's in the public interest to me). Just that judging the truth of someone's story on whether or not they went to the police, is very harsh

I have a friend who had the misfortune to work with him over the course of a few months back in his ‘mainstream’ hey day and have absolutely no doubt that it’s not only all true, but there will be more who come forward. He behaved appallingly - entitled, bullying, rude to everyone around him, difficult, and that was just to the co-workers who where supposed to be supporting him

He’s a bullying scumbag of the highest order. And as for those saying he was promiscuous and open about it… not the same thing. You can have all the consensual sex in the world and still be a predator and abuser to other women.

Just like you can be a top bloke to the lads at the club or on a stag, but can also be violent to your family, or a rapist.

It strikes me that if you think 'innocent until proven guilty' you should have the same position for Saville who never got to defend himself. Do you?

Saville was also outed by a 'TV SHOW' - did you believe those journalists?

I don't have a link but she did an episode with louie theroux, might be on iplayer, and that's where I saw her talking about it.

Thank you x

Sorry I just tried to reply to you above but it didn't work

And as for ‘she should have gone to the police’…

well, at the time - who would have believed them? His victims had consensual sex with him previously. Reputations would have been ruined, careers ruined, he was too powerful at the time. Literally a Hollywood star. That one girls who’s got the ‘ you’re after money’ letter for powerful lawyers the second she opened her mouth?
Would you go up against that?

And now? The evidence for conviction in our courts? No way they would have got the CPS to take it to court. Just look at the comments on here… you have several women stepping g forward, all the background stuff fromthe time as well -and still people saying, mmm I don’t know…

If more women come forward there may be a chance if justice. Otherwise he’s going to sit on his YouTube channel, Mr red pill , talking about how the ‘mainstream’ are out to get him…

Did anyone else really get the shivers when one woman said that when he was forcing himself on her, his eyes changed - they turned black, as if someone else had entered his body?

Of course I don’t believe in any such thing, and she didn’t even hint at it either, but I couldn’t help thinking of the old beliefs about people being possessed by devils!

This should be dealt with by the police, everyone famous or not is innocent until proved guilty, these are shocking allegations but they are just allegations.
As in the Philip Schofield case and allegations relating to others including Prince Andrew they have not been prosecuted.

on what circles you moved in I suppose. I agree that would have been unacceptable in middle class circles. But it would have been largely overlooked if you were lower class. A fact which is borne out by my own experience.

I went to secondary school at a very average comp surrounded my mainly average council house estates. Very much working class town in the north. Late 80s/very early 90s.
It would definitely not have been seen as normal ime.
We might not have seen it in the same light as we do now, but it also wouldn't have been seen as the norm.

Of course if they werent prosecuted it means it definitely did not happen.

I used to love him, seeing clips of him years ago, he was pretty vile.

TBH I think it was covered up by many people. Its clear he had a reputation by a few things in the programme aired last night.

The men who heard that poor woman screaming but didn't go in to help her, because they were scared,

The BBC not fulfilling 2 FIO requests but issuing a statement (makes me think they have information that they don't want getting out)

Women in the business having WhatsApp groups warning eachother about him.

Maybe people needed to have spoken up sooner. Not necessarily the women he victimised, but the people who knew of these situations.

Also, he was known as shagger of the year a few years running, is that not a bit of a sign he's a misogynistic arsehole?

I wish it would all go away.

ExH is an incredibly nasty, manipulative person who was having non-consensual sex with while I slept and got away with it.

I have been trying to ignore it so far but I know when I do watch it, it’ll be tough.

The fact that such sexually dysfunctional men repeatedly try to excuse their behaviour infuriates me - they will never admit they were wrong.