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To not be surprised to see threads on LGB being questioned now?!

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SuperNewMe · 15/09/2023 23:15

Just typed a reply and the thread disappeared quickly (makes a change as when it's trans related ones they stay?!)
So it's not a TAAT, it's just to say that after all the anti trans rhetoric you see on here sometimes, it comes as absolutely no surprise that there are now more threads attacking lesbian and gay couples ( not natural was the phrase used)
Not to mention one still on the go as far as I'm aware that refers to LGBTQ as "special rainbow people"
YABU you're imagining things
YANBU things seem to be ramping up against LGBT people in general
(I say this as someone who's straight and not trans)

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Defiantjazz · 16/09/2023 12:04

If you want to ask me a question about a substantive issue please do

🤡

FOJN · 16/09/2023 12:04

Tandora · 16/09/2023 12:01

I don’t know or care who Nancy Kelly is and I’m not responsible for what she has, hasn’t said.

If you want to ask me a question about a substantive issue please do.

You've defended Stonewall and don't know who Nancy Kelly is?

Thanks for letting us know how little you are really invested in this issue.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 16/09/2023 12:05

I don’t know or care who Nancy Kelly is

She was the then head of Stonewall, who you leapt in to defend earlier. You're not very well informed about any of this, are you?

This demonstrates that the genderist position is homophobic.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 16/09/2023 12:05

Cross post

lifeturnsonadime · 16/09/2023 12:05

Tandora · 16/09/2023 12:01

I don’t know or care who Nancy Kelly is and I’m not responsible for what she has, hasn’t said.

If you want to ask me a question about a substantive issue please do.

I believe she has since resigned but she was the CEO of Stonewall.

https://www.stonewall.org.uk/about-us/news/stonewall-welcomes-nancy-kelley-new-ceo

I don't not believe you do not know exactly what I am referring to but I'll help you. Do you think that lesbians who refuse to consider males in their dating pool, even if they identify as trans women are akin sexual racists or don't you?

I am asking plenty of questions on the substantive issue of the homophobia of trans ideology. The fact you are avoiding giving straight answers and are implying that same sex attraction is no different to other sexual preferences makes it clear that your position is homophobic.

Stonewall welcomes Nancy Kelley as new CEO

New Chief Executive comes from National Centre for Social Research  Nancy Kelley to start on 1 June 2020   Stonewall’s Chair Sheldon Mills says Nancy will be an ‘outstanding leader’ who will ensure Stonewall meets the needs of all...

https://www.stonewall.org.uk/about-us/news/stonewall-welcomes-nancy-kelley-new-ceo

lifeturnsonadime · 16/09/2023 12:07

Ah we're now on to the truth is transphobic.

Always get there in the end.

Nanny0gg · 16/09/2023 12:07

KimberleyClark · 16/09/2023 08:07

But what is new is trans women claiming to be "better than women" and "the real women", and pushing women's voices out of spaces that we've fought so hard to gain entry to.

Have you got any actual examples of transwomen making these claims to be better than women and the real women, because saying transwomen are women is not quite the same thing?

Read India Willoughby's tweets and you'll see.

He definitely thinks he's more of a woman than any biological one.

Sueveneers · 16/09/2023 12:07

Tandora · 16/09/2023 12:03

Every time someone has referred to “men who identify as women”, that is transphobia. Every time someone has referred to trans ideology that is transphobia. Every time someone has presented trans people as a group as sexual predators and a threat to women as a group, that is transphobia.

Ah, so 'transphobia' is any weak nonsense YOU consider it to be. People can't change sex. Trans people themselves talk about 'identifying' as the opposite sex. Saying men who identify as women, is grammatically correct and is the correct term. It's the correct gender technical definition. That is NOT 'transphobia'.

Trans ideology exists. Ask Richard Dawkins. It is an ideology. This is fact. That is NOT 'transphobia'.

If a male body is in a woman's space, regardless of how that male body identifies, it IS a potential threat to women as a MALE BODY with a PENIS AND TESTICLES. That is fact. That is NOT 'transphobia'.

Your 'definition' of transphobia is not the same as normal and reasonable people's.

RudsyFarmer · 16/09/2023 12:07

I don’t think anyone I’d tired of homosexuals. I think it’s the alphabet spaghetti people are tired of.

Tandora · 16/09/2023 12:07

Listen, I am in no way trying to deny the existence of biological differences that are influenced by sexual development, I’m just trying to express that these are not simple, binary, mutually exclusive or definitive, and when it comes to things like “gait”, there are huge environmental, cultural and social influences too and a lot of overlap . Here’s a simple graphic for you, this should not be controversial.

To not be surprised to see threads on LGB being questioned now?!
catgirl1976 · 16/09/2023 12:08

I do think at this point tandora is possibly dwelling under a bridge

LadyGrinningSoul85 · 16/09/2023 12:08

I've noticed it, you're not crazy.
But then as a mother to a trans child, I'm pretty disgusted by the opinions of some on here anyway, so it doesn't surprise me.

Tandora · 16/09/2023 12:08

Sueveneers · 16/09/2023 12:07

Ah, so 'transphobia' is any weak nonsense YOU consider it to be. People can't change sex. Trans people themselves talk about 'identifying' as the opposite sex. Saying men who identify as women, is grammatically correct and is the correct term. It's the correct gender technical definition. That is NOT 'transphobia'.

Trans ideology exists. Ask Richard Dawkins. It is an ideology. This is fact. That is NOT 'transphobia'.

If a male body is in a woman's space, regardless of how that male body identifies, it IS a potential threat to women as a MALE BODY with a PENIS AND TESTICLES. That is fact. That is NOT 'transphobia'.

Your 'definition' of transphobia is not the same as normal and reasonable people's.

This is a highly transphobic , largely incoherent and rant-y post.

BaronessEllarawrosaurus · 16/09/2023 12:09

Sueveneers · 16/09/2023 12:00

There is NO 'transphobia' all over this thread, stop lying. There is NOT...ONE.... example of actual transphobia. Not one.

I suspect to tandora even claiming we can tell the natal sex is transphobic. It's easy to claim transphobia when your definition includes not accepting twaw

Sueveneers · 16/09/2023 12:10

Tandora · 16/09/2023 12:08

This is a highly transphobic , largely incoherent and rant-y post.

Considering you don't even have a coherent idea of what transphobia actually is, I'll take your ignorant and bigoted judgement with the consideration it deserves.

AliOlis · 16/09/2023 12:10

It is nothing of the sort @Tandora

Tandora · 16/09/2023 12:11

Ereshkigalangcleg · 16/09/2023 12:05

I don’t know or care who Nancy Kelly is

She was the then head of Stonewall, who you leapt in to defend earlier. You're not very well informed about any of this, are you?

This demonstrates that the genderist position is homophobic.

I know about the organisation and the work they do, I don’t keep score of the names of individuals . I’m interested in issues not personalities. If you are talking about the former CEO of stonewall and her comments about “sexual racists” then I already addressed them.

FOJN · 16/09/2023 12:11

Tandora · 16/09/2023 12:03

Every time someone has referred to “men who identify as women”, that is transphobia. Every time someone has referred to trans ideology that is transphobia. Every time someone has presented trans people as a group as sexual predators and a threat to women as a group, that is transphobia.

If men identify as men then they cannot be trans so men identifying as women is an accurate statement. You can substitute amle and female if it makes you feel better but a trans identity requires an acceptance of the material reality of biological sex.
Non binary actually requires a binary to make any sense at all.

Would gender ideology suit you better or would you still consider that transphobic?

Women are concerned about predatory males, a trans identity does not seem to reduce the rates at which men identifying as women commit sexual offences. We are concerned about men accessing single sex spaces however they identify. Framing women's concerns as transphobic is just pure misogyny.

You've managed to out yourself as a homophobe and a misogynist on a thread where you assume you occupy the moral high ground, how do you do that?

Ereshkigalangcleg · 16/09/2023 12:12

Disorders of sex development are indeed advanced biology but they don't disprove the basic facts of human reproduction. There are two gametes. Not one, not ten, not three.

Tandora · 16/09/2023 12:13

FOJN · 16/09/2023 12:11

If men identify as men then they cannot be trans so men identifying as women is an accurate statement. You can substitute amle and female if it makes you feel better but a trans identity requires an acceptance of the material reality of biological sex.
Non binary actually requires a binary to make any sense at all.

Would gender ideology suit you better or would you still consider that transphobic?

Women are concerned about predatory males, a trans identity does not seem to reduce the rates at which men identifying as women commit sexual offences. We are concerned about men accessing single sex spaces however they identify. Framing women's concerns as transphobic is just pure misogyny.

You've managed to out yourself as a homophobe and a misogynist on a thread where you assume you occupy the moral high ground, how do you do that?

You've managed to out yourself as a homophobe and a misogynist on a thread

oh bingo I’m a misogynist too 😂. I’m a rabid feminist.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 16/09/2023 12:13

I’m interested in issues not personalities.

It's not about her personality, it's about the general homophobia of the genderist worldview.

CherryMaDeara · 16/09/2023 12:13

Tandora · 16/09/2023 12:07

Listen, I am in no way trying to deny the existence of biological differences that are influenced by sexual development, I’m just trying to express that these are not simple, binary, mutually exclusive or definitive, and when it comes to things like “gait”, there are huge environmental, cultural and social influences too and a lot of overlap . Here’s a simple graphic for you, this should not be controversial.

Your little squiggle for the ‘Advanced biology’ is hilarious, it has no substance.

And that’s because you can't change your sex, because that’s determined by your cells in your body.

Your little squiggle meme can’t change that basic fact.

SamW98 · 16/09/2023 12:14

Sueveneers · 16/09/2023 12:10

Considering you don't even have a coherent idea of what transphobia actually is, I'll take your ignorant and bigoted judgement with the consideration it deserves.

Absolutely. Nothing transphobic or ranty at all about your factually correct post which the vast majority of the public would agree with.

lifeturnsonadime · 16/09/2023 12:14

'I’m a rabid feminist.' I've heard it all now. More like a comedian only your ideas are actually harmful to females rather than funny.

FOJN · 16/09/2023 12:15

Tandora · 16/09/2023 12:13

You've managed to out yourself as a homophobe and a misogynist on a thread

oh bingo I’m a misogynist too 😂. I’m a rabid feminist.

Centering men in your "equality" activism isn't feminism.