To not be surprised to see threads on LGB being questioned now?!

[SuperNewMe]

Just typed a reply and the thread disappeared quickly (makes a change as when it's trans related ones they stay?!)
So it's not a TAAT, it's just to say that after all the anti trans rhetoric you see on here sometimes, it comes as absolutely no surprise that there are now more threads attacking lesbian and gay couples ( not natural was the phrase used)
Not to mention one still on the go as far as I'm aware that refers to LGBTQ as "special rainbow people"
YABU you're imagining things
YANBU things seem to be ramping up against LGBT people in general
(I say this as someone who's straight and not trans)

"There are few things more homophobic than claiming two men can be in a lesbian relationship with each other."

Sorry to be the hyperbole police, but I'm not convinced there are only a "few things" more homophobic than this. 🙄

I am angry.

Your position is homophobic. It angers me that you expect same sex attraction to be reduced to same gender attraction and that you expect that some lesbians accept penises and if they don't , on the basis of genitalia alone, they are bigots.

It's not complex at all.

Lesbians are exclusively same sex attracted females.

Gay men are exclusively same sex attracted males.

By definition trans women cannot be lesbians because they are male.

By definition trans men cannot be gay men because they are female.

The fact that gender ideologues are trying to say that this is no longer true is homophobic.

Thank you. As an older member of the LGB community, I have witnessed societal attitudes change over decades, and this is a good summary of the situation, which improved substantially, seeing same sex couples winning the right to legally marry, adopt, have fertility treatment etc. Now goodwill and acceptance is on the wane for LGB as well as trans people.

It’s a shame that the activism of TRAs is actively harming trans people by alienating their natural allies. Trans people are grouped together with trans activists by society, regardless of what the feelings and opinions held by the individuals concerned.

@tandora clearly hasn’t read what the one of the original founders of stonewall thinks about the homophobic organisation it has become, now unrecognisable to those who were there when it started as fighting for gay and lesbian rights.

of course now I’ve said that tandora will have to practice active blindness to not read it since they clearly are going to disagree and not even a stonewall founder will change their mind. But best to avoid just so you don’t feel a wee bit uncomfortable about your stance.

My position isn’t homophobic though and I have categorically not said this:

and that you expect that some lesbians accept penises and if they don't , on the basis of genitalia alone, they are bigots.

Nor have I said this:

that you expect same sex attraction to be reduced to same gender attraction- this is a semantic conversation which I would be happy to have, but has not been had.

Please stop with your manipulations.

How is questioning surrogacy an attack on women?
Surrogacy is not just a question of bodily autonomy, it has much wider ramifications

You said -

I do think a person’s expressed sexual preferences can absolutely be a reflection of prejudice, however- we can clearly see this in how black women and fat women and disabled women are often culturally represented as sexually undesirable - and I do think it’s transphobic and sexist and wrongheaded to define a person wholly in terms of their genitals.

How, and be precise, is that materially different from

and that you expect that some lesbians accept penises and if they don't , on the basis of genitalia alone, they are bigots.

It's not @Tandora 's posts that are "proving me right."
Nowhere has she said that you're a bigot if you don't accept male genitalia, or anything like that.
Usual twisting going on as per

Oh the 'they've been accessing our spaces for many years!!!' bs argument. NO, they have NOT! It's only recently they've felt bold enough to enter womens spaces. It's a survival instinct in women to spot a man. And 99% of them don't pass. Even if they were accessing our spaces, doesn't make it right.

Secondly, when a RAPE VICTIM is forced to deny her experience and call her rapist a 'she', that is where allowing pronouns hurts women. But this never occurred to you, did it.

It is completely different.

In the same post I said :

no one should ever be questioned or coerced about their sexual practices. Everyone has the right to accept or reject any sexual encounter absolutely as they please. I believe that any decent person feels the same.
This is the exact opposite of saying a lesbian should have to “accept a penis”. How disgusting. I categorically do not support rape.

I wonder why You didn’t quote that part of my post? Perhaps you are trying to manipulate my posts to make them look entirely different from what they are?

Can I just check my bingo card? I've ticked off

Homophobic ✅
Transphobic ✅
Right wing ✅
This totally happen all the time but I haven't got any examples to show you ✅

I only need a mention of intersex (sic) and something about pink and blue brains and I'll have a full house

Agreed.

Brilliant summation

I only need a mention of intersex (sic) and something about pink and blue brains

well one of your (so called) “GC” tribe said something about “male skin” 😂😭

Men.and women do have different skin. Educate yourself and do better

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6116811/

So thread is 190 posts long and despite being repeatedly asked OP, you have not provided or described even ONE example of a thread where gay men and lesbians have been attacked?

Because you have ZERO examples.

^was saying that a person’s sexuality can rarely be reduced to genitalia-
appearance preference, all sorts of factors determine sexual attraction that have nothing to do with genitalia. We can see this in the fact that we are often attracted to people even though we have no idea what their genitalia look like. By way of another example there might be two men with very similar appearing genitalia, it is perfectly possible to be very sexually attracted to one and repelled by the other.

Bla bla bla wot I reckon waffley nothing from a woman married to a man. But you do know that most gay men and lesbians state that they are attracted only to members of their own sex? Denying that exists as a sexual orientation is homophobia. So you can call me a transphobe all you like, it's pretty meaningless at this stage, but at least I'm not a homophobe who denies the existence of men and women who aren't attracted to the opposite sex at all, and only want to have sex and romantic relationships with members of their own sex.

Couldn't agree more with you op. For thirty odd years I have been an out (but not in your face about it!) lesbian because I am female and I am married to another female. Except now I am being told that lesbians are actually non-men who are attracted to other non-men, so what the hell am I now?

I couldn't care less about the trans thing one way or another really, but I do wish they would find their own terminology and leave Lesbians as they always have been.

Quote fail, addressed to @Tandora

I have no doubt that sexual development influences the structure of the skin, as it does the brain: the body is a system. But these things are not binary, definitive and mutually exclusive. That is why the concept of pink and blue brains is ridiculous, as is pink and blue skin.

male skin and moves like a man. How curious!! Could you elaborate more?

Could you explain is it about those statements you don’t understand?

But these things are not binary, definitive and mutually exclusive.

Yes, so where is the basis for "trans" then? What is the material difference between a male who identifies as a woman and other males? And why should women see them as anything other than a male invading women's space?

but at least I'm not a homophobe who denies the existence of men and women who.. only want to have sex and romantic relationships with members of their own sex

if you are implying I’ve done this, I certainly haven’t. I do not deny the existence of such people.
I do not deny the existence of gay people. Nor do I deny the existence of trans people, or try to minimise their existence by reducing them to “men who I identify as women”.

So sorry how do you think that a person's sexual preference can be a reflection of prejudice?

Do you agree that with Nancy Kelley who likened issues around the cotton ceiling to sexual racism or do you reject that?