Page 2 | To not be surprised to see threads on LGB being questioned now?!

SuperNewMe · 2023-09-15T22:15:51+00:00

Just typed a reply and the thread disappeared quickly (makes a change as when it's trans related ones they stay?!) So it's not a TAAT, it's just to say that after all the anti trans rhetoric you see on here sometimes, it comes as absolutely no surprise that there are now more threads attacking lesbian and gay couples ( not natural was the phrase used) Not to mention one still on the go as far as I'm aware that refers to LGBTQ as "special rainbow people" YABU you're imagining things YANBU things seem to be ramping up against LGBT people in general (I say this as someone who's straight and not trans)

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SuperNewMe · 16/09/2023 00:50

That was meant to tag @catgirl1976

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Screamingabdabz · 16/09/2023 00:52

Ladybrrrd · 16/09/2023 00:42

I completely agree. Trans people (most often TW) are at best disrespected on here with pronouns and names and things, and at worst called, perverts and pedos. Any man caught wearing 'women's clothes' (whatever that means) is a disgusting AGP.You're not wrong but it's been like that for a while.

And the trouble is LGB people then DO end up getting it in the neck - masculine women being accused of being trans and shouted at in toilets, drag artists (a tradition in the gay community for a very long time) being called groomers.

I am agender and gender critical myself, and I regularly have respectful conversations about it with trans people. There's a way to talk so people will listen. Deliberately disregarding what someone chooses to call themselves is not the way to go.

You are naive in the extreme if you think this ideology is authentic, benign, neutral and doesn’t harm women. Disrespect works both ways.

ghostyslovesheets · 16/09/2023 00:53

No I am opposed to homophobia and 100% support people who are attracted to people of the same SEX or both - because that’s a fact and real

catgirl1976 · 16/09/2023 00:55

Well at first you decided the was more homophobia because people concerned about the homophobia and misogyny of the TRA agenda were actually closer homophobes (which makes zero sense( and then you seemed to suggest it was LGB people themselves who were responsible for wanting to be separate (which as a PP had pointed out the are as gender has nothing to with with sexuality) which also makes zero sense

So I’m confused as to your point. You’re saying people who are concerned by a homophobic ideology are homophobes as are LGB people themselves? Okaaay

ghostyslovesheets · 16/09/2023 00:55

Same sex attracted women, for example, are accused of bigotry for not wanting to have a relationship with people with a penis - that sort of anti gay bollox boils my piss

catgirl1976 · 16/09/2023 00:56

Closet not closer

ive injured my eye it makes it very hard to type

GreyBlackBay · 16/09/2023 00:58

Ladybrrrd · 16/09/2023 00:42

I completely agree. Trans people (most often TW) are at best disrespected on here with pronouns and names and things, and at worst called, perverts and pedos. Any man caught wearing 'women's clothes' (whatever that means) is a disgusting AGP.You're not wrong but it's been like that for a while.

And the trouble is LGB people then DO end up getting it in the neck - masculine women being accused of being trans and shouted at in toilets, drag artists (a tradition in the gay community for a very long time) being called groomers.

I am agender and gender critical myself, and I regularly have respectful conversations about it with trans people. There's a way to talk so people will listen. Deliberately disregarding what someone chooses to call themselves is not the way to go.

How can you be GC - not believe that people have an inate sense of gender identity - and agender - which is a gender identity ?

FOJN · 16/09/2023 00:58

Ladybrrrd · 16/09/2023 00:42

I completely agree. Trans people (most often TW) are at best disrespected on here with pronouns and names and things, and at worst called, perverts and pedos. Any man caught wearing 'women's clothes' (whatever that means) is a disgusting AGP.You're not wrong but it's been like that for a while.

And the trouble is LGB people then DO end up getting it in the neck - masculine women being accused of being trans and shouted at in toilets, drag artists (a tradition in the gay community for a very long time) being called groomers.

I am agender and gender critical myself, and I regularly have respectful conversations about it with trans people. There's a way to talk so people will listen. Deliberately disregarding what someone chooses to call themselves is not the way to go.

Your post reveals there is so much you either don't know or understand about the arguments women are making that I would need to write an essay to enlighten you, it would just be easier if you spent a bit more time on the feminist board.

AutumnSalad · 16/09/2023 01:01

Being gay isn’t an ideology, it’s a romantic and or sexual preference.

Saying we are not born with biology is an ideology.

Tandora · 16/09/2023 01:02

YANBU OP, of course transphobia has its routes in homophobia. The Difference is that homophobia is less tolerated in polite society and mumsnet deletes all the lgb focused threads very quickly.

RoomOfRequirement · 16/09/2023 01:03

There have been a lot of pro T people who are usually homophobic by design so that makes sense.

Ladybrrrd · 16/09/2023 01:07

I've failed to see a single way in which they are explained to me in a way to that isn't fear mongering or disrespectful to my friends. I've never been called transphobic for saying no to transwomen for dates, expressing my gender critical thoughts in a respectful manner, or anything else. And if I'm naive, people have been for a long time. Trans people are not new. They didn't just suddenly pop out of the woodwork. People expressing themselves in masculine and feminine terms is not new.

What is new is this utter contempt and disrespect. Celebrities dedicating their entire online lives dressing up every single song thing that s trans person had done and vilifying them. Well, at least any contempt that has made headlines, which is running dangerously close to causing trans people the right to change names, wear what they want, be legally recognized by their gender, access healthcare, and access spaces they have been accessing for many years. It has lead to increases in psychical attacks. It is 'othering' a group of people. And yes, it is leading to a risk to LGB rights as well.

That's what scares me.

catgirl1976 · 16/09/2023 01:13

@Ladybrrrd men don’t have the right to women’s spaces. Anyone, literally anyone can change their name. Anyone can wear whatever they want. Are you suggesting actual fashion police are about to be deployed ensuring ladies wear pretty dresses and men wear a nice pair of slacks 🤣🤣. No one is preventing anyone from accessing health care (although hopefully we will prevent children from mutilation and drugs which cause irreversible harm)

What utter guff

Ereshkigalangcleg · 16/09/2023 01:14

expressing my gender critical thoughts in a respectful manner,

What are these "gender critical thoughts", exactly?

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SuperNewMe · 16/09/2023 01:17

Tandora · Today 01:02

@YANBU OP, of course transphobia has its routes in homophobia. The Difference is that homophobia is less tolerated in polite society and mumsnet deletes all the lgb focused threads very quickly
That was my take on it too, threads tend to be taken down very quickly if homophobic, quotes saying not natural etc go quickly.
Not if it's saying being trans isn't too)
I was just interested in the fact it seems to be becoming more mainstream to be averse to LGB in general on here

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SuperNewMe · 16/09/2023 01:18

That should have tagged @Tandora

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SuperNewMe · 16/09/2023 01:20

@Ladybrrrd well said

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AnSolas · 16/09/2023 01:28

Ladybrrrd · 16/09/2023 01:07

I've failed to see a single way in which they are explained to me in a way to that isn't fear mongering or disrespectful to my friends. I've never been called transphobic for saying no to transwomen for dates, expressing my gender critical thoughts in a respectful manner, or anything else. And if I'm naive, people have been for a long time. Trans people are not new. They didn't just suddenly pop out of the woodwork. People expressing themselves in masculine and feminine terms is not new.

What is new is this utter contempt and disrespect. Celebrities dedicating their entire online lives dressing up every single song thing that s trans person had done and vilifying them. Well, at least any contempt that has made headlines, which is running dangerously close to causing trans people the right to change names, wear what they want, be legally recognized by their gender, access healthcare, and access spaces they have been accessing for many years. It has lead to increases in psychical attacks. It is 'othering' a group of people. And yes, it is leading to a risk to LGB rights as well.

That's what scares me.

Ladybrrrd spell it out for me

What should " legally recognized by their gender" mean?

Ireland has self ID and with the exception of specific (male) sex crimes a GRC changes both sex and gender and new name is allowed for the applicant.

The social contract is a promise to stop living as a woman and to live as a man.

So a female gives up all rights to female health care, protection in pregnancy, and must be housed in a male prison.

Can you define what " legally recognized by their gender" means to you?

Tandora · 16/09/2023 01:31

SuperNewMe · 16/09/2023 01:17

Tandora · Today 01:02

@YANBU OP, of course transphobia has its routes in homophobia. The Difference is that homophobia is less tolerated in polite society and mumsnet deletes all the lgb focused threads very quickly
That was my take on it too, threads tend to be taken down very quickly if homophobic, quotes saying not natural etc go quickly.
Not if it's saying being trans isn't too)
I was just interested in the fact it seems to be becoming more mainstream to be averse to LGB in general on here

I’m not sure I’ve been on mumsnet long enough to have a large enough perspective / sample on changing trends, but I have anecdotally been shocked at some of the overtly homophobic threads that have popped up recently.

The threads that amuse me are the ones that are obviously homophobic but linked to transphobia- like one recently that was attacking Mr Gay UK, (the specific objection being men in drag around children). The mumsnet community get so confused about those threads , because they struggle to work out how to condemn the homophobia whilst still being as transphobic as possible at the same time 😆😆😆.

AnSolas · 16/09/2023 01:34

SuperNewMe · 16/09/2023 01:17

Tandora · Today 01:02

@YANBU OP, of course transphobia has its routes in homophobia. The Difference is that homophobia is less tolerated in polite society and mumsnet deletes all the lgb focused threads very quickly
That was my take on it too, threads tend to be taken down very quickly if homophobic, quotes saying not natural etc go quickly.
Not if it's saying being trans isn't too)
I was just interested in the fact it seems to be becoming more mainstream to be averse to LGB in general on here

You keep trying to say MN is homophobic
But you are not supplying any proof of your own

Do you have examples or are you just hoping that people will accept your opinion as proof?

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SuperNewMe · 16/09/2023 01:36

Keep trying to say
Where?

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SuperNewMe · 16/09/2023 01:38

I haven't said anything of the sort.

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AnSolas · 16/09/2023 01:42

Tandora · 16/09/2023 01:31

I’m not sure I’ve been on mumsnet long enough to have a large enough perspective / sample on changing trends, but I have anecdotally been shocked at some of the overtly homophobic threads that have popped up recently.

The threads that amuse me are the ones that are obviously homophobic but linked to transphobia- like one recently that was attacking Mr Gay UK, (the specific objection being men in drag around children). The mumsnet community get so confused about those threads , because they struggle to work out how to condemn the homophobia whilst still being as transphobic as possible at the same time 😆😆😆.

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Yep child safeguarding
It is homophobic
It is transphobic

The idea that adult entertainment is only for adults is a bad idea.

Can you please link the thread you are refering to so that we can all read the posts ourselves?

Tandora · 16/09/2023 01:44

AnSolas · 16/09/2023 01:42

Yep child safeguarding
It is homophobic
It is transphobic

The idea that adult entertainment is only for adults is a bad idea.

Can you please link the thread you are refering to so that we can all read the posts ourselves?

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Can you please link the thread you are refering to so that we can all read the posts ourselves

I wish I could, but it was taken down by HQ within an hour or so because of the overt homophobia.

AnSolas · 16/09/2023 01:44

SuperNewMe · 16/09/2023 01:38

I haven't said anything of the sort.

Yep that little problem of proof.

Can you provide actual examples of threads?