Page 38 | Another dog attack, man killed, can this just go on?

IthinkIamAnAlien · 2023-09-15T10:09:08+00:00

Just on the news - [[https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-stoke-staffordshire-66817795 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-stoke-staffordshire-66817795]] Week after week, there is something wrong with dogs (and the owners) today, I grew up with them and this never, ever happened. Maybe because dogs were treated as dogs and not trophy animals. Awful for everyone.

justaboutdonenow · 23/10/2023 17:56

I don't think they should be rounded up & culled as some suggest, but all of them should be registered & to qualify for registration they need to be neutered, microchipped, have liability insurance & be kept muzzled & onlead in public.

If there is an incident, be it with another dog, person, or any other species & the owner is unable to produce evidence of registration then the dog gets removed & put to sleep, with no reprieve.

If they truly love their dogs they'll comply, if they don't comply then they obviously don't care & shouldn't own a dog anyway, & putting them to sleep may even be a kindness.

They are a horribly inbred, volatile, dangerous failed 'experiment' of a dog with no discernible purpose in the 21st century & should be allowed to go extinct.

bombastix · 23/10/2023 19:47

If so, they should be registered to addresses and these properties checked for suitability.

A notable number of incidents seem to be the dog escaping and attacking someone or attacking someone in the property.

Keep it in cage or don't have one.

VeterinaryCareAssistant · 23/10/2023 20:08

@bombastix keeping a dog in a cage would make its temperament worse, and cause behavioural problems.

bombastix · 23/10/2023 20:13

These things are going to be made illegal! People should be giving them up.

Would you fancy having one ambling about your house? Yes it I had one I would be securing it and finding a way to get rid of it. Apparently dogs charities are overwhelmed

bombastix · 23/10/2023 20:15

There you go. Charities will no longer take them because they are a legal liability. People should think carefully about having one in the house. It seems crazy.

inews.co.uk/news/rehoming-american-xl-bullies-dogs-attack-charities-2700629

GonnaGetGoingReturns · 23/10/2023 20:20

ComtesseDeSpair · 15/09/2023 11:27

I suspect we could solve an enormous part of the problem if councils and housing associations prohibited dogs over a certain size and weight being kept in their properties and strictly enforced it, as is common policy in public housing (and indeed, apartment blocks generally) in many other countries. Yes yes, we’re not supposed to say it, but I’m willing to bet at least 95% of the owners of these dogs are workshy layabouts in social housing.

Who’s going to enforce the prohibited dogs on social housing? The police don’t care and don’t have the resources to deal with the unless a dog attacks someone there or unless there’s a huge drugs deal going on in the property. The council won’t get involved as too much danger to their staff.

bombastix · 23/10/2023 20:26

I think it is already illegal to keep any listed dangerous dig in social housing. Once these dogs are banned, unless the owner can get an exemption from that, the owner will be violating their tenancy.

VeterinaryCareAssistant · 23/10/2023 20:32

@bombastix councils (I don't know if all councils) have said that registered XL Bullies will be allowed to stay in council housing but once the ban is in place people won't be able to then go out and bring a new one home not that they would even know

bombastix · 23/10/2023 20:40

Well, it's an easy thing to report, and I wouldn't expect all councils to have the same policy.

This seems about right on the law that will apply criminally.

www.farleys.com/what-will-happen-if-xl-bullies-are-added-to-the-dangerous-dogs-list/

VeterinaryCareAssistant · 23/10/2023 20:55

If people register their XLs with DEFRA and comply with the regulations before the ban comes into force then the police won't be sieving the dogs.

Once the ban is in force the police will only be siezing unregistered XLs, which will then mean owners have to go through the exemption process.

XenoBitch · 23/10/2023 20:56

bombastix · 23/10/2023 20:40

Well, it's an easy thing to report, and I wouldn't expect all councils to have the same policy.

This seems about right on the law that will apply criminally.

www.farleys.com/what-will-happen-if-xl-bullies-are-added-to-the-dangerous-dogs-list/

Yes, because it is only people in social/council housing who have dangerous dogs. Private renters and home owners are infallible.

And saying social tenants can only have dogs over a certain weight is bonkers. My parent's are in council housing, and have a greyhound who is not far off 40kg. Their house and garden is more than adequate for his needs.

bombastix · 23/10/2023 21:01

Well, keeping a banned dog will be a criminal offence won't it? So councils can enforce the law, private landlords won't want these dogs, and the private homeowner can be prosecuted.

It will be interesting to see what property will qualify as appropriate, and it should be the end of dogs being kept in small properties with no outdoor space.

Trinity65 · 23/10/2023 21:37

ComtesseDeSpair · 15/09/2023 11:27

I suspect we could solve an enormous part of the problem if councils and housing associations prohibited dogs over a certain size and weight being kept in their properties and strictly enforced it, as is common policy in public housing (and indeed, apartment blocks generally) in many other countries. Yes yes, we’re not supposed to say it, but I’m willing to bet at least 95% of the owners of these dogs are workshy layabouts in social housing.

Wow

Meow

XenoBitch · 23/10/2023 21:39

bombastix · 23/10/2023 21:01

Well, keeping a banned dog will be a criminal offence won't it? So councils can enforce the law, private landlords won't want these dogs, and the private homeowner can be prosecuted.

It will be interesting to see what property will qualify as appropriate, and it should be the end of dogs being kept in small properties with no outdoor space.

People who have a dog and no garden probably walk their dog more.
I have known people with small breed dogs and a garden who never took their dog out. That is neglect to me. Dogs need stimulating environments, and they like to check the local "pee-mails".

VeterinaryCareAssistant · 23/10/2023 22:05

bombastix · 23/10/2023 21:01

Well, keeping a banned dog will be a criminal offence won't it? So councils can enforce the law, private landlords won't want these dogs, and the private homeowner can be prosecuted.

It will be interesting to see what property will qualify as appropriate, and it should be the end of dogs being kept in small properties with no outdoor space.

It won't be a criminal offence if the dog is registered with DEFRA before the ban.

And dogs don't need loads of outdoor space. They need exercise and stimulation and plenty of time with their owner but that doesn't mean it's cruel to keep a dog in a flat.

bombastix · 23/10/2023 22:28

I don't have an issue with people keeping these dogs if they are chipped, neutered, muzzled in public, registered with third party liability insurance, and kept securely (ie in a property that means it cannot escape). But if the owner can't or fails to do any of these things, then no way.

A quick google seems to suggest London councils have a few different policies on dogs and dangerous dogs in accommodation. My concern is that a lot of the incidents in the press are the animal escaping and attacking people. The owners should be able to show high standards of security to keep one, with robust and high fencing around gardens for a start and the dog confined away from any exit to a property.

Mydogmybestfriend · 23/10/2023 22:36

My dog is half lab and half staffy, had since a puppy and saw both parents.
Ever since this "ban" and zombie baiting news, I have had constant stares, comments about her being a dangerous dog, some Karen called the police on me for my dog being off the lead, not bothering her or anywhere near her, just being a dog playing with a ball off the lead. She then proceeded to claim to another man my dog was "dangerous" and he stood there staring at me recording us doing nothing.
In a field/forest where there are NO restrictions for dogs off leads.

All this won't end well. The amount of harrassment against women will go up no doubt.

I doubt those people would have done it to a muscle tattooed bloke which "allegedly" all own XL bullies or pitbull types

Mydogmybestfriend · 23/10/2023 22:38

And before internet Karen claims my dog went up to them she did NOT she ignores people and other dogs. She was minding her own business playing with a ball

PoseasRadicalActuallyMisogynistic · 23/10/2023 23:06

Mydogmybestfriend · 23/10/2023 22:38

And before internet Karen claims my dog went up to them she did NOT she ignores people and other dogs. She was minding her own business playing with a ball

you lost me with your sexist ageist misogynistic slur

Ramalangadingdong · 23/10/2023 23:13

ComtesseDeSpair · 15/09/2023 11:27

I suspect we could solve an enormous part of the problem if councils and housing associations prohibited dogs over a certain size and weight being kept in their properties and strictly enforced it, as is common policy in public housing (and indeed, apartment blocks generally) in many other countries. Yes yes, we’re not supposed to say it, but I’m willing to bet at least 95% of the owners of these dogs are workshy layabouts in social housing.

This latest report say the owner had two XL bullies in a flat. That really struck me. No wonder they’ve gone mad.

CBAanymoreTBH · 24/10/2023 17:32

Mydogmybestfriend · 23/10/2023 22:36

My dog is half lab and half staffy, had since a puppy and saw both parents.
Ever since this "ban" and zombie baiting news, I have had constant stares, comments about her being a dangerous dog, some Karen called the police on me for my dog being off the lead, not bothering her or anywhere near her, just being a dog playing with a ball off the lead. She then proceeded to claim to another man my dog was "dangerous" and he stood there staring at me recording us doing nothing.
In a field/forest where there are NO restrictions for dogs off leads.

All this won't end well. The amount of harrassment against women will go up no doubt.

I doubt those people would have done it to a muscle tattooed bloke which "allegedly" all own XL bullies or pitbull types

Surely you can see the bigger picture & that legislation is needed for the greater good despite it inconveniencing you in the short term?

And...Erm Zombie bating? I looked it up and apparently it's a form of necrophilia

bombastix · 24/10/2023 21:13

Apparently a baby was attacked by an XL Bully today. This was Barnsley.

Depressing that people won't bother, even now, to protect their children.

bombastix · 24/10/2023 21:15

bombastix · 24/10/2023 21:13

Apparently a baby was attacked by an XL Bully today. This was Barnsley.

Depressing that people won't bother, even now, to protect their children.

My mistake. A Cane Corso was responsible

justaboutdonenow · 25/10/2023 09:53

bombastix · 24/10/2023 21:13

Apparently a baby was attacked by an XL Bully today. This was Barnsley.

Depressing that people won't bother, even now, to protect their children.

Cane corso cross it says.

I've met several purebred corsi & while they're a dog I'd not have personally, they've been pretty nice natured.

BBC quote police have said:

'Our early enquiries with the family highlighted that the dog was not previously reported to be of an aggressive nature, and this was a family who took precautions and are responsible owners.'

I'd be interested to know more about what precautions they'd taken, because they obviously didn't work, & the parents have failed both their child & dog.

BreakfastAtMidnight · 25/10/2023 16:21

There is a belief - you see it in doghouse threads here - that you can keep an aggressive dog with children, that you can maintain constant vigilance and separation, that behaviourists will resolve everything and above all you must never rehome or pts the dog you have made a commitment to. Those parents might have bought into that @justaboutdonenow and learned at a terrible cost that it's not true.