Another dog attack, man killed, can this just go on?

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Just on the news - https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-stoke-staffordshire-66817795

Week after week, there is something wrong with dogs (and the owners) today, I grew up with them and this never, ever happened. Maybe because dogs were treated as dogs and not trophy animals. Awful for everyone.

i was in Switzerland recently and they have very strict dog ownership laws, it was actually wonderful. I didn’t see one dog off a lead in a public place and there weren’t any big dogs around.

its simple, if you want to keep your dog, keep it on a lead.

Doesn't matter what breed it is any dangerous dog should be banned, and they may not be the same exact breed but the fact they all look the same and behave the same means they should be treated the same !

@Dullardmullard which report was the wrong dog type

Yes I was in Germany recently and although I did see the odd off-lead dog (and not always when they were meant to be off-lead) it was much nicer than it is in the UK.

pose the problem is that even on a lead a grown man cannot control an XL Bully when it lets rip. I watched a no-neck thug type struggle to control his a few weeks ago. And it was only pulling him down the street looking at another dog.

Well the thing is I'm not. These are animals, bred to fight. They have no concept of right and wrong or innocent victims. They're animals, and these particular ones find reward and excitement in attacking, just like a greyhound finds its joy in chasing rabbits or a collie in herding. It's a bad idea to have dogs with this kind of aggression and power in public. They don't have the same rights or understanding as humans, because they're dogs. Not evil, but very dangerous because of their breed traits and their strength.

And @Dullardmullard are you suggesting that other dogs are mauling people to death in the street but the press are only reporting the bullies that do it? Because we do know that's nonsense. Labradors and collies and chihuahuas do plenty of biting but they aren't taking down grown men who walk past them in the street and killing them. Only one sort of dog is doing that, and we have video footage of it happening - repeatedly.

Shouldn't a charity bear some responsibility for this? These dogs should be destroyed, not passed on to well meaning fools who can't control them.

I am aware that the dog doesn't know its going to be killed, BreakfastAtMidnight but I know, and as one living creature feels for another I think it's sad, it also makes me sad and angry that selfish people have created this situation, breeding and raising dogs that are a danger to other people. As I said in my post, dangerous dogs like this should not exist in society.

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The comments below the article about the mauled lad are a binfire.

Another attack yesterday in Oldham, a 12 year old boy suffered life changing injuries. Breed yet to be established according to press. Witnesses identified it as a pit bull type.

I see or used to see a man exercising 2 large dogs with harnesses on in our local park’s tennis courts. They were rarely in the park. Then there’s a young couple with a baby and a huge XL Bully type dog they walk with it.

That’s not even touching the surface. The local estate has dog fights with bets, you see the dogs sometimes being exercised and there’s talk if you know the right people and want to bet on the dogs. Little or nothing is done about this though.

Lots of people think pit bulls are fine. My DB many years ago had a dog which was half pit bull, half Staffordshire bull terrier. The danger with the pit bull and other dangerous breeds is the extremely strong jaw and bite compared to other breeds. These dogs don’t have a lock jaw, this is a myth.

Yes I just saw this on the BBC website.

And still nothing will be done, because dogs are "fur babies"

It's utterly disgusting.

They need to stop the constant breeding of dogs. And the ads on social media offering dogs for free, and back street breeders selling them on sites. The dog fighting lot will carry on as normal. And the idiots who buy massive or strong dogs that they cannot handle, will carry on. The only ones to suffer will be the proper dog owners.

I see the Dog’s Trust have now said they will no longer re-home XL bullies and one council has said they will not collect strays of this type. Tip of the iceberg, I’m sure.

West Midlands Police reported that it has dealt with 40 incidents involving XL bullies in the first half 2023! Other bullies are responsible for other incidents - 37 involving staffy bull crosses. Then you have the GSD and Rotties etc. These are scary figures.

I saw one last week. It was barking in the window as we walked by. Absolutely enormous and very agitated. I crossed over the road and mentally looked for a safe exit. Who needs dogs like this in their home?

Are you suggesting that Yorkies and cockerpoos are constantly maiming and killing people and its not being reported?

Any dog of any breed that is untethered and vicious enough to launch an unprovoked attack on anybody should be destroyed regardless of size or breed. Just because the bite from a small dog is lesser than a large dog does not excuse the fact that the dog is out of control

Whenever there's a dog attack now, until the breed is reported some people insist it's probably not a bull breed. When that poor dog walker was attacked, initial reports said no bull breed was involved and there were a ton of delighted posters on here crowing about vicious dachshunds. Of course, when it inevitably turned out that the dog which killed her was her own XL bully none of those posters came back to acknowledge the fact. Similarly, the FB post someone shared above about the Scottish teen attack is full of posters saying it's not an xl but a pocket bully as though that's a massive gotcha. It's still the same type of dog - it's always bullies! But as you can see, there are people desperate to somehow convince us that the dogs we can actually see in video footage killing and mauling people have nothing in common at all and simply can't be identified as a problematic and dangerous type of dog.

Whenever there's a dog attack now, until the breed is reported some people insist it's probably not a bull breed.

To some of us, that's like saying we need to wait to find out what sort of knife was using in an attack before we rush to judgement, rather than follow the other path of asking how the fuck do we allow people to possess potentially lethal weapons in public without too many innocent people getting hurt or killed.

I'm honestly confused as to why people defend the things. It can't be that they are simply dog lovers as there have been numerous instances of other dogs mauled and killed by them.

There is no actual positive point to their existence that I can fathom.

It's like the difference between a penknife and a machete @SerendipityJane - a normal dog can bite and sometimes do pretty bad damage but bull breeds maim and kill when they attack. They're just so much more powerful and dangerous.

@BreakfastAtMidnight I think it's the combination of their power and their breed temperament, unfortunately. There are other powerful large breed dogs that could probably do similar damage but haven't been bred with the same instincts. It's a really awful combination.

What I want to know is who the heck thinks they can be lazy, and hand over their pet to a dog walker who walks more than 2 dogs at a time. That poor girl had her rescue dog for 5 days, and her and her family had not checked the dogs responses to situations. So she took it in a public place where lose dogs and horse riders go in a pack of dogs with mixed sizes and temperament.

I would respectfully suggest it's more akin to the difference between a machete and an ax, which is how these discussions go ...

"It's not an XL Bully, it's a large pitbull"

not being at all interested in you or your dog, my knowledge of breeds goes "small, big, dark, light, yappy, quiet". Probably not the best witness if there was an attack.