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Divorce on the cards, I'm at breaking point

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Wanttobenameless · 11/09/2023 18:10

Please may I ask, be kind? I am in a bit of a state...

I won't go in to all the ins and outs, as it would be akin to War & Peace, though that might be a good title for this - Without the 'Peace' part.

So today, on our 25th wedding anniversary, when we should be celebrating and going out for a meal, my DH threw the £250 cash I gave him in his card, back at me.
He then proceeded to tell me no thought had gone in to it, and that instead of buying me a gift, he'd considered divorce (lovely to hear on our wedding anniversary!).
To be fair, he'd bought me a lovely tennis bracelet, and I gave him money simply because whatever I have ever bought him, he's either told me it's a waste of money, he doesn't need it, don't bother, etc.
I did look at gifts but knew it would be a waste of money, and even a weekend away, but he hates going away, so it would be so wasteful.
So I gave him money so he could buy what he wanted, and all this has blown up, because 'I made no effort' even though he tells me over and over 'not to bother, you're wasting your money as I don't need/want it (gift).'

So apparently I am the unreasonable one for not making an effort and it's I who has ruined today, not him (no wonder I'm confused!).

Some background -

There are gifts I've bought him over the years still in his drawers, never opened or used.
He consistently tells me there is nothing he wants or needs, and not to buy him anything, though I have always tried to buy thoughtful gifts through the year (for everyone, not just DH).
So, I have given in lately and given him money instead (even though I always prefer to buy people gifts) so it isn't wasted and he can buy something he wants.
I really wanted to get him something for our 25th, but I knew a watch, or anything 'silver' would simply live in his drawer, never to see the light of day (along with the other watches, wallets, etc., I've bought him over the years).
I mentioned this, and he said, 'It's the sentiment, you could have got me something silver to keep, but instead chose to be lazy and just give me money.'
I did not choose to be lazy at all, I looked and looked, but just thought, what is the point, he'll never use it or even look at it, just give him money so he can buy what he wants, which is what he always asks for.
No matter what I do, it's never right.

We've been going through a rough patch for a few years to be honest, and there is a lot of resentment.
He's golf obsessed, and that is his number one priority.
Nothing, and I mean nothing, gets in the way of that.
He moans about being too busy at work, yet he plays 1-4 times a week, whilst I keep house, run my business, look after DS mainly, etc.
For instance, when I'd had our baby by C-Section, I was on the phone to the health visitor quite upset (slight baby blues) - He came in to the lounge, took one look at me in distress, and walked out to play golf for the day.
Another instance - When I was heavily pregnant, I fell asleep on the sofa, and he'd been upstairs paying to interact with porn online and I was devastated.
I already felt huge, fat, unattractive, and miserable.
So for him to do that when I was heavily pregnant with his child, it floored me.
I spent nights driving around as I couldn't bear to sleep in the same bed as him. Not once did he call to see where I was, he slept soundly.
I moved out for a while to my mum's. He came round to see me one day, but only after he'd finished his golf tournament.
Stupidly, I gave in and went home. Even writing this, I feel so weak and pathetic.

He hates going on holiday. He moans constantly about how busy he'll be when we get back home. It ruins the holiday.
Yet when we return home, he does 2.5 days work and the rest on the golf course.
He says we can't afford to go away (rubbish, he earns a lot of money), yet was going to spend £700 to go and watch our team play a friendly in Spain this summer.

I am going to a spa day this weekend, only my second time out this year. He isn't happy about it at all, but I'm going.
I don't go out often because I prefer to spend time with my DS at the weekend when I'm not working, and to be honest, I can't afford to, whereas DH can and does.

When our DS was sick, I slept on his bedroom floor next to his cot to comfort him, as DH wouldn't let him sleep in our bed, so he had a huge bed to himself whilst me and our DS slept on a cold hard floor in the winter.
This has happened a few times.
God I really do sound pathetic now - I never used to put up with stuff like this!

DH is very controlling in all aspects, but most definitely financially.
He is a high earner, but keeps his money to himself. He pays me a dividend from his company, but I never see any of it, not a penny. He keeps it.
Yes, he pays the bills, but the dividend is huge, and way more than the bills costs pm.

He has only hit me once, ages ago (and to be fair, I did slap him back as I was furious), but is verbally abusive, and he shouts a lot at our DS, though he has never laid a finger on him (no way would I still be here if he had).

He is quick to anger, and can flip quickly, like this morning when I gave him cash for our anniversary, because he always tells me whatever I buy him, he doesn't want or need. I can't seem to do right for wrong.

Because of all this, and so much more, I simply can't bear him to be near me.
Sex is a huge thing for him, but all this resentment, I am not a machine, and cannot just do that to keep him happy when I am so full of resentment and upset.
I also have problems with sex, it's so painful for me, that I cannot physically cope with the pain. I am under investigation at the hospital, but they are not sure what's wrong yet.
He wants to divorce ONLY because of the physical side of our relationship - That's the one and only reason he wants to end this.

I am very concerned DH's behaviour is affecting our DS.

DS is mirroring his dad.
Instances - He will say he doesn't want his photo taking, he doesn't like this, doesn't want to do that - All of this is what he hears from DH. He's learning these negative behaviours from DH.

TO be fair to DH, he does take DS to his sports. I go too mainly, but it's DH's thing really.
I am the boring one who nags at DS to get his homework done, who washes his clothes, makes sure his school kit is all ready for the next day, run errands, cooks meals, etc.

I've stayed for these reasons -

  • DH says he'll fight me for custody of our DS. Whilst he won't get full custody, I don't think joint custody would suit our DS as he's a very anxious child, with slight autism / and with ADD/ADHD (he's under CAMHS for assessment). I cannot risk this for him, he wouldn't cope well. He's just started high school, so it's already a very unsettling time for him. I would NEVER keep our DS away from his dad, but I really do not think joint custody would be good for him. DH is only thinking of himself here, he's not thinking about the welfare of our child. And to be honest, in reality, it would mess with his hobby obsession too much.
  • I am more or less financially dependent on him. I've had very good jobs before, and was offered two excellent roles, but DH was very against both, as it would mean I worked in a mainly male environment. He wore me down and I gave in, and worked for him instead - It is one of my biggest mistakes, as it isolated me, and took away my financial independence.
  • He says I'll get nothing when we separate - He says I won't cope without him.
  • I do work for myself, but I don't earn enough to live on as I am governed by school hours as DH has now refused to help with drop off or pick up For a while he did the pick up, but told me at the beginning of summer he'd no longer be doing that, thereby cutting my earning potential down even further. On top of that, the old anxiety and depression which I thought were a thing of the past, have reared their ugly heads, and I've started having panic attacks again. As my job involves me driving on motorways a few times a week, I do not know how long I can carry on for. I was cutting back to try to get back to full health, but I won't earn anything then, and DH most definitely won't help me.

There's so much more, but I think you get the picture.

AIBU re this? Or has he worn me down so much I really think I deserve this?
I just do not know any more.

Believe it or not, before I met DH, I had a successful career, my own house and car, and was super independent.
Right now, I am scared to death wondering what the future holds.

Thanks for reading, if you've made it this far. I do appreciate it.

OP posts:
UsernameNotAvailableNow · 11/09/2023 21:54

I’ve not read the whole thread so apologies if this has already been mentioned, but could you hold his phone up to his face whilst he sleeps to see if he has facial recognition on it? It might open the phone and you could see if there are any banking apps you can log into using his face again.

It is very risky, depends on how heavy he sleeps really.

Wanttobenameless · 11/09/2023 21:54

Trying to answer everyone who's been kind enough to reply, in order...

Yes, he has total control in every department.

We were equals until he started to earn more than I did.
I have an account with the same bank as the joint one, so I can use that.

No, it's much more than the £250 in a card. I never expected that reaction, especially as that's all he's ever asked for as gifts are not his thing.

I think he'l go for 50/50 custody just to spite me - He's not thinking what is best for DS.
I am thinking about what is best for DS, but he won't.
Though logistically I don't know how it will work for him with his business and his must have days off for all his me time.
He'll palm DS off on anyone who'll have him I expect, which I do not want to happen. DS is funny about that, it's a trait of autism, he loves to be home and his routines, he'd hate being palmed off on to others, and I would not want that for him because I know it'll unnerve him.

Re the dividend. I am going to look in to this further, because I've checked Companies House, and I am no longer a director. He removed me years ago, so I've no idea how he's paying that in my name.
How does he manage that?

I will speak to a solicitor and hopefully get the answers I need, then I can take it from there.
Just worrying I can't really afford one, but I guess talking to one will give me a better idea of what I can and can't afford right now.

I am so bloody naive. I never sat and thought about all these elements until they were brought up by you all.
He thinks he can literally divorce me and walk away scott free, but it seems that it may not be that easy for him.
Thanks for sharing all of your info with me.

This has been invaluable and I am so relieved I posted on here after worrying about putting my dirty washing out for all to see.
I didn't even realise the police would take this seriously, I didn't see a crime.
What an idiot I am!

I think I'll know what I can afford re a rental, or him moving out, after I've spoken to a solicitor.
I would prefer to stay here as DS is settled and loves his home.
We can't stay here forever though as it's just too big for two of us, and DH will want his share of it.

There's enough equity in the house to be able to buy something smaller around here outright, so I wouldn't have to worry about a mortgage.
I know it will be a struggle to pay the rest of the bills, but that's got to be better than living like this.
It's good to know he has to continue to contribute financially, because I am worried about not being able to make ends meet until I am stronger and get back to work full time.

MY DS and I have so much fun, we really belly laugh together. The energy in the house drops significantly when DH arrives home.
I have to do this, not just for me, but more so for DS.
He'll hate the change in the short term, he sees no wrong in DH at the moment, but long term it's got to be the right thing.

Re court, if it comes to that. DS is 11, but won't speak against DH. He's a people pleaser and will not say anything against him.
So if it came to it, it may go 50/50.

Thank you to those who've been in similar situations, for sharing your story with me.
I am so sorry you had to go through the same. I would not wish this on anyone.
It is good to know there's light at the end of the tunnel, thank you.

Yep, his only issue is sex. That's it.
I can't help it I am having tests at hospital and am physically unable.
I'd not want to even if I could though, there's too much resentment.

I forgot something actually.
Last year, I was going in to hospital for tests, and I asked them on the phone if they'd tell me there and then if it was cancer.
They told me that yes, due to the tests they were doing, they'd be able to tell me on the day if I had cancer or not.
What did DH do? Instead of accompany me to the hospital when he knew I was scared stiff, and that I could very well be told I had cancer, he chose to get the train to London to pick up a new car.
I was absolutely heartbroken.
He called me on the way home when I was still in hospital to see if I wanted a lift home, but I turned my phone off and ignored him when I got home.
Luckily, it was not cancer, but if it had been and I'd been alone and been told that. I mean, who does that to their wife?
I can not comprehend that.
Apparently, that was my fault too as I'd told him to do what he wanted to do, so he did.

Sorry if I missed anyone, I've tried to reply to you all xx

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OP posts:
Wanttobenameless · 11/09/2023 21:56

UsernameNotAvailableNow · 11/09/2023 21:54

I’ve not read the whole thread so apologies if this has already been mentioned, but could you hold his phone up to his face whilst he sleeps to see if he has facial recognition on it? It might open the phone and you could see if there are any banking apps you can log into using his face again.

It is very risky, depends on how heavy he sleeps really.

He's a very light sleeper, I daren't risk it.
Wonder if a photo would work!!

OP posts:
TregunaMekoides · 11/09/2023 22:00

He's an absolute horror.
He does not deserve you nor does he.deserve DS - no wonder the poor kid has anxiety living with a man like that.

Work quickly and quietly, get it all in place and then leave the bastard.

And don't get mad - get everything! Hit him right where it hurts.

Clarinetiu · 11/09/2023 22:09

Following on from company house element did you agree to be removed, did you sign the paperwork etc.

last post from me but I want you to remember the company’s accountant does not work for you if you want to pursue you need your own person asking the right questions.

If there is a disputed change of ownership this is a huge bit of leverage cause it has huge Hmrc implications.

Wanttobenameless · 11/09/2023 22:10

TregunaMekoides · 11/09/2023 22:00

He's an absolute horror.
He does not deserve you nor does he.deserve DS - no wonder the poor kid has anxiety living with a man like that.

Work quickly and quietly, get it all in place and then leave the bastard.

And don't get mad - get everything! Hit him right where it hurts.

That made me laugh, the last bit, thank you I needed that!

OP posts:
Wanttobenameless · 11/09/2023 22:12

Clarinetiu · 11/09/2023 22:09

Following on from company house element did you agree to be removed, did you sign the paperwork etc.

last post from me but I want you to remember the company’s accountant does not work for you if you want to pursue you need your own person asking the right questions.

If there is a disputed change of ownership this is a huge bit of leverage cause it has huge Hmrc implications.

No, I never agreed to that. I did not sign anything.
I've no idea how he managed it, nor how he's still paying a dividend in my name if I am not a director.

Thanks for that info, that sounds like it could be important.

OP posts:
Fairymcclary · 11/09/2023 22:13

Are you a shareholder?

Fairymcclary · 11/09/2023 22:15

can you see the trail on companies house records. When were you removed? Or is he saying you were removed but you haven’t been? You must have signed the paperwork?

Wanttobenameless · 11/09/2023 22:17

Fairymcclary · 11/09/2023 22:13

Are you a shareholder?

It isn't showing so on Companies House.

OP posts:
EvelynBeatrice · 11/09/2023 22:25

Companies are run by directors but owned by the shareholders ( sometimes called the members. ) Dividends are payable by a company to its shareholders. If directors receive dividends it is because they are shareholders too and not just directors. Who owns the company? Is it your husband? Are there other shareholders? You can search the company online free if you Google companies house beta service and put in the company name. It will tell you the current directors. You can also have a look at the accounts ( but if it is a very small company there may not be any lodged). There will be a statement somewhere of shareholders/ members, but it will only be up to date to the date it was lodged. It’s no bad thing if you are no longer a director. The role carries heavy legal responsibilities and you should never agree to be one without taking legal advice.

Justanothercatlady · 11/09/2023 22:31

OP make a list of the things you need to know so you can keep focused in the solicitor appointment. They can hopefully quickly tell you what they can advise on them and there so you get the best information 1) immediate access to money and residence - what are your rights 2) police record for coercive control 3) your long term rights to equity/money/financial records 4) the fraud committed against you etc. I found being practical helped focus away from the unhelpful ‘self pity’ until the fury kicked in! You have your child to bolster your reason to get your house in order when you are having a wobble.

zeibesaffron · 11/09/2023 22:43

You need to build your strength and resilience to leave - whatever you are thinking now your son will be picking up on the type of person DH is and the difficulties at home. You being happy will be much better for him in the long run.

See your GP for anxiety and depression support - and there may be a local IAPT service locally to you, who can provide support with your mental health. IAPT are discreet they do phone consultations (mainly) at times convenient to you they also use a different patient record to your GP so you can keep things confidential (unless of course you are in danger and they will look to safeguard you).

Please start talking to women’s aid or your local equivalent - he is talking utter nonsense to you, to control you. You are so beaten down by this you cannot see what a fucking twat his is, and how much he does not deserve you. He has done everything possible to control and ruin your life - its now your turn to take back control and tell him to go fuck himself.

Think about what you would say to a friend who was living this? you would tell them to leave and that they deserve better! So take this advice.

Also;
start to collect evidence move important documents/ passports etc to a safe place (someone’s home that you trust)- photocopy anything of interest and again keep this away from the house - are there any valuables/ photos etc you want to keep again start to move them out.

start to plan an exit - where can you go - friends/ family/ hostel - it does not matter - get out asap and leave when he is not at home - turn your locations off on your phone and do not tell him where you are.

when you go update school - talk to a solicitor straight away about access. you maybe able to say to school he does not pick up DS without your permission- but I am not sure how you would do this legally. Unless you thought he would be a risk to your DS.

look at applying for better jobs

use on line resources to bolster your self confidence- there are many nhs approved apps to support.

See a solicitor many do free short consultations- he is a fucking liar you would get half of everything if you left - it would take some time but you would not be leaving with nothing.

Start to squirrel your money away if you can.

He would not go for custody how on earth would he play golf, do school runs and work- and if nothing gets in the way of golf he will loose interest in having your DS very soon.

Get strong and go!! and do not look back. However hard it gets - it will get better, do not let him convince you to go back as it will get worse if you do.

You can so this - get the groundwork sorted first. Always remember coercion and control is a criminal offence you ultimately have the power - the police can apply for an injunction/ restraining order - do not be afraid to safeguard yourself and your DS.

I have been there and happiness will be round the corner for you - after a horrid time leaving I found peace, I wasn’t being controlled or walking on eggsheels - freedom was a remarkable thing - and far outstripped being poorer.

Palindrone · 11/09/2023 22:56

I can't imagine spending 25 years of my life with such an insufferable, selfish arse let alone one who demands sex when he knows that it causes you pain.

Men like him always pull the 'you won't cope without me' card. It's yet another way to undermine and control you.

Practically, it sounds like you do everything for DS anyway. Financially, you are entitled to half of everything and if he is a high earner you won't be destitute.

I hear what you're saying about DS and how he would struggle to adjust but no child thanks their parent for staying in an abusive relationship in the long run.

Life is short. I've been on Mumsnet for 12 years and here's my first LTB.

billy1966 · 11/09/2023 23:00

OP, a recommendation of a good solicitor would be great.

Call Womens aid and ask do they have any names for you.

Your situation would really benefit from a rottweiler in your corner.

whynotwhatknot · 11/09/2023 23:13

they wont ask ds to say anything horrible against his father theyre trained to talk to kids in a gentle way

ReadingSoManyThreads · 11/09/2023 23:15

He'll be 'giving you' dividends based on you being a shareholder. Shareholders aren't necessarily named on Companies House. How do you pay your tax on these dividends? Do you have anything to prove that they are paid out at all? What account does he pay them into?

Tinysoxxx · 11/09/2023 23:19

Could the dividends be a red herring in that he’s telling you you have them but not letting you have the money as another way of upsetting you? If you are not listed, maybe you are not entitled to them and he’s lying that you are getting them.

If he is claiming them for you (to save tax) the accountant will know. Tread carefully with the accountant as the accountant won’t be happy about you looking at this.

Remember pensions are a good way of piling away money too so check all the ones you know he has.

endofthelinefinally · 11/09/2023 23:26

Womens Aid could recommend a good solicitor experienced with abusive men.

UpaladderwatchingTV · 12/09/2023 00:05

OP I agree with everything written on here, with the exception of the person who thought you should have bought him something special to mark your anniversary, (what a pillock!) I just have one question - if you don't have access to any money, how did you get your hands on the £250 to put in the card?

With regard to your solicitors appointment, can I suggest that you print off all your responses and your original post or get the page up showing all of your own parts of this post, ready for the solicitor to see when you arrive, it will explain things a lot more quickly than you probably will in person, as you're likely to be nervous. In fact, depending on the time of your appointment, it might even be worth emailing a copy of it to the solicitor, marked 'URGENT' with your appointment time and name, so that he/she can look at the info before you arrive. That should help you to make sure you don't forget to mention any of the things that have come out while you've been talking to us.

Finally, please be VERY careful not to let anything slip in anger, make sure your phone, and everything else you communicate on is password protected, maybe even change passwords in case he already knows them, and don't get caught doing anything that he would get suspicious about. On the day you leave, as you have another account with the same bank as the joint account, you should have no problem whatsoever, in transferring every penny to your sole account, and DON'T feel guilty about it, ie, don't think 'oh, I should really leave him half', as he obviously hasn't been fair to you for years! Take the bastard for every penny you can get out of him, YOU deserve it!

Confusedmeanderings · 12/09/2023 00:09

I don't have any advice to offer that hasn't already been suggested, but I'm sending you an unmumsnetty hug.

Rubiconmango · 12/09/2023 00:52

Shit! He sounds like my dad! A self absorbed, self serving, scary mother fucking controlling and intimidating monster!

LTB from the rooftops!!! What an absolutely cunt of a man!

Italiangreyhound · 12/09/2023 01:18

Your husband sounds awful. The whole situation is dreadful. Please speak to a solicitor. it sounds like your husband is being financially abusive and much more. How old is your son? Taking your son to sports doesn't make him a good dad and doesn't mean he should get co-parenting, especially if it is not in your son's best interests.

MadeForThis · 12/09/2023 03:22

You will be much happier without him.

Nomorelittlebabybum · 12/09/2023 03:32

He's trying to scaremonger you into staying. Plan it well, get legal advice, get everything in order and plan your escape

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