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To be fed up of the girl staying with me ?

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BasKaro · 08/09/2023 11:16

I am having a bit of a vent , but I need to offload somewhere....

A girl we don't know has ended up at our house. My husband slightly knew hers (friend of a friend) and my husband got called when they got "kicked out" of their accommodation. He told my husband the landlord was being bad (they are a student and dependant so it is common) but it transpired he had been beating her, severely, and the landlord asked them to leave because of that. I was away when this all happened, but came home to the girl being here, the husband was kicked out after one day by my husband (I'd have not let him in the door but I didn't know anything).

So, I've "taken over", got her to hospital, reported to the police , linked her with womens aid etc. etc. I've been through abuse, I really get it. I've literally held her hand through every wobble, been at every appointment shes asked me to, bought her things to cheer her up (I mean at least make a few minutes abit brighter in her day) and been really on the back of the police/solicitors etc .

But omg I think I'm going to break. She has a very part time job as she needs to save for her fees as he took the money (we take zero rent, zero for food, we buy everything basic or even trips out for context). It's maybe 15 min walk in q safe, lit area. She calls all the time for a lift from my husband and one day he said abit bluntly that she can walk, he's in the other direction with the kids at a park. She didn't speak to him for 2 days. I tried to make a joke of it and "joke scold" him to break the tension but then she was just so rude, telling him to get out of the kitchen where she was, brushing her hands at him. She isn't shy at all but she just won't eat unless it's cooked her her and to her liking. I thought it was awkwardness or shyness but it's not. Sometimes she'll come to me with some work for me (emailing her uni or something) and be like "is there anything to eat?". Like yesterday I just had toast while she slept and said I had toast and she sort of sniffed and walked away. We took her out with us and she said it was boring (just 2h at a farm thing with the kids) and sniffed her way around while on the phone. Sometimes I hear her giggling away on the phone and then she'll see im home and come out of the room past me, sniffing away. When anything isn't going her way (like her husband called mine and he told her the next day and she was screeching at him that he should have said and wasn't satisfied with the answers my husband was giving). When I finally found her husband (police couldn't find) I needed some info asap from her and she just was faffing and gossiping away about irrelevant info (when searching for the person the husband was staying with she commented the surname was of a "lower" caste so was like "fake screaming" about it and researching that when I desperately needed address info so I could notify the police asap before he left. Bearing in mind police have been looking 3m for him. When I was upset about her and my husband emailing about me at 11pm (he emailed her a big bitchy email.about me and she never told me, despite wanting every crumb of info about her husband from us) , she suddenly "had cancer". She doesn't, she saw she had hpv in her smear which was a month previous.
Anyway, I feel like now she is not eating for attention . I don't know how to deal with it. When she does this before my husband called her dad and she kind of "got off on it" and I think it's set a precedent.... I don't know. My husband is very unsympathetic, he just tunes out. I have mixed feelings, obviously she is going through a hell of a time but I feel like if I run around literally spoon feeding her it's going to spiral. There is everything she says she likes here, she isn't shy to ask for cakes or biscuits or whatever when out, isn't shy to go to the kitchen when we are here or house empty , she'll happily ask for expensive face creams or parlour visits so it's really not that.
What do I do?

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LaffTaff · 08/09/2023 13:04

BasKaro · 08/09/2023 13:00

@ThirtyThrillionThreeTrees

Thanks xxxxxxxxx I have done lots of work with WA, I am pretty much there I think just logistically I can't leave. I have a plan, I am not living my life in this nonsense (the email thing isn't abnormal for example, he'll go off for ego boosts to anyone who will listen) . But I think I really underestimated how much of a negative impact this has had for me, and my work too. But there is something in me that I just can't seem to do things which seem "mean" even to my detriment. Probably need to work through that with a therapist because the overwhelming consensus here is that I am being a mug, and I genuinely thought people would be more "stop being mean about this poor girl"

Pack her things, today, and tell her to leave. If she refuses, call the police and have them remove her from your home.

BasKaro · 08/09/2023 13:04

@titchy

Uni (some student support worker, forgot the actual title) did say this on a call with me present (when I was sorting out who we needed to contact with regards to what, who her tutors were etc) . Whether the lecturers go though with that suggestion I don't know. But in terms of DV she's very high risk and he is hunting her down and using others too which adds to it. However another uni person did suggest she just go.home (!)

Her case is absolutely genuine , I've been there at every point.

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YukoandHiro · 08/09/2023 13:05

BasKaro · 08/09/2023 11:32

Exit plan really is her earn her fees (8k - unlikely) and finish her masters, go on to a post study work visa which will allow full time hours then get on her own feet. If she can't pay her fees then I don't know, I've been giving her the number for a womens aid type service that can give specialist advice to non permanent residents /no recourse to public funds but she just won't call. I have taken abit of a step back , also I can't call everyone as they want to speak with her not me. I guess if all else fails she'll have to return home but I am guessing there will be a court case here ? I've tried to give her a plan, even paid for her provisional licence but she just never finished the form and they ended up refunding it.

She won't call because she's getting free rent and food at your place and she knows this is helping her financially until her course finishes. I don't blame her.
However, you been a great help, but you are entitled to your boundaries on this. If you set a leave date she'll have to call.

Mummyoflittledragon · 08/09/2023 13:05

If you are looking to escape your husband, you need to be ensuring you do your job correctly, rather than jeopardising it by pandering to a spoiled and tantruming 26 year old.

Tohaveandtohold · 08/09/2023 13:07

Tohaveandtohold · 08/09/2023 12:57

This is just ridiculous op. This is not your problem to sort out at all. You’ve done much more than what you’re expected to do, I don’t think herself or her husband had any plans of studying for any masters.

All the whole domestic abuse story, husband stolen her school fees when she’s not even working to get the fees, stories of ‘kidnapping her family members back home’, husband asking her classmates for her time table to show that he wants to go and attack her in school etc sounds like someone just in this country and trying to get some police trail, etc to apply for asylum as this woman does not sound like she has any intention of studying here and all these are made up. Why will her uni be hundreds of miles away to start with.

You are Just being used.
You sound soft which is not a bad thing but it means people can take advantage of you easily. what I’ll advice you to do is to tell her to pack her bags, book her in a premier inn for 3 days in the location of her uni to soften the blow and send her packing.

To add to the above, international students need to be physically in class to get their attendance taken as that’s one of UKVI’s rules to uni’s. No uni told her to study online.
Her not eating and shouting about it makes all these whole thing made up, I bet it with you, herself and her husband are only here to get her asylum, that’ll be why she didn’t seem so enthusiastic to speak to the police because she’s not trying to put her husband in trouble. Next thing she’ll self harm or faint for not eating and end up in the hospital, just to add to the story. I’ve heard stories of people going to lengths just to defraud the system.
I’m just angry that you’re caught in the middle of this trying to do the right thing for someone who has other plans. You need to send her packing

travelogue · 08/09/2023 13:07

Hang on - didn't you say the husband was at yours for one night, until your husband kicked him out, in the OP? So he already knows where she is and has no need to hunt her down. Or did I misunderstand that bit?

titchy · 08/09/2023 13:09

BasKaro · 08/09/2023 13:04

@titchy

Uni (some student support worker, forgot the actual title) did say this on a call with me present (when I was sorting out who we needed to contact with regards to what, who her tutors were etc) . Whether the lecturers go though with that suggestion I don't know. But in terms of DV she's very high risk and he is hunting her down and using others too which adds to it. However another uni person did suggest she just go.home (!)

Her case is absolutely genuine , I've been there at every point.

Bullshit. Overseas students are not allowed to study online and the university would lose its sponsor status if they allowed her to do so. However nice the uni is they won't be risking their financial security for one person.

So either she is bullshitting somehow or you are.

SpringleDingle · 08/09/2023 13:09

This isn’t your problem. If she has no funds to remain in this country under her student visa she needs to return home. It’s unfortunate but not a situation you made nor need to resolve.

YukoandHiro · 08/09/2023 13:09

Agree with the comments about your DH. Do you own your home?
If not, one option is that you just leave...

DelphiniumBlue · 08/09/2023 13:15

You are still not taking on board that none of this is anything to do with you.
Tell her and her father that this is not working for you and that she will have to leave by next Friday morning.
If she has to go back to her parents home, then so be it.
You say she has got gold (!) so she can use that to pay for a ticket or her family can pay. It's not your problem, it will just be easier if there is a plan is place. She will not be destitute, she can pay for a hotel as she clearly has funds.
The fact that she is being difficult and not even trying to be nice, should make you see she is just a cheeky fucker. Anyone who was being housed for free by strangers would do things like baby sitting, cleaning, cooking etc, and instead she's moaning that the service isn't up to her standards!
Just tell her to go. Be prepared for a scene. But she will fall on her feet, she's good at getting people to run around after her.
This is not your problem.
This is not your problem.

heartofglass23 · 08/09/2023 13:15

What a mess.

Kick her out.

The whole thing sounds like a stitch up.

Pinkdelight3 · 08/09/2023 13:15

Withdraw completely from all the detail of her situation and sorting it out. None of it is your business or your problem. You've done way more than enough and she's a 26yo adult who is responsible for their own situation. Give her a deadline (no more than a week, ideally less) to get out and stick to it. Until you toughen up and draw the line, she's going to keep taking the piss and it is (keep repeating) nothing to do with you. You could literally go and take in a random needy case and they'd be more grateful and less trouble than she is.

F1ymetothetoon · 08/09/2023 13:16

My kitchen sieve has fewer holes than this thread Hmm

BasKaro · 08/09/2023 13:16

The DV 100% isn't a scam, she had a broken nose, strangulation bruising on her neck and 2 black eyes the day I saw her and took her to hospital. There is another hospital admission too where she had displaced vertebrae. Her husband isn't British, he's the dependent. No doubt there wasn't a real intention to study, she said she didn't want to do that course but he made her as it had a higher chance of a visa. She was going to complete it as a route for them to remain here. That's why I am sympathetic because I can imagine what it must have felt like to have been trapped with a person doing that. But, he's been gone 3m and she doesn't seem to be taking any steps in her future.
I would never drop her at a gurdwara , thats the route into more serious problems unless by some miracle she finds someone genuine but from the stories I hear she'll just be ripe for exploitation.

I'll look more into the link someone posted about help for no recourse to public funds because the plan i had in my head of her completing uni then going on to full time work and renting her own space is not going to happen, and I can't carry this on anyway until her course ends like this.

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Pinkdelight3 · 08/09/2023 13:18

That's why I am sympathetic because I can imagine what it must have felt like to have been trapped with a person doing that.

So donate to women's charities. Don't waste your sympathy on this woman (not girl). You've done too much already and it's only caused more problems in the long run. Detach detach detach. It is nothing to do with you.

Pinkdelight3 · 08/09/2023 13:20

the plan i had in my head of her completing uni then going on to full time work and renting her own space is not going to happen

The plan you had in your head was bonkers. Do you regularly rearrange your whole life around looking after strangers for years? If so, sign up to be a foster carer or something, but this woman is not your child, she's nothing to you but a drain. If you refuse to see this and keep hand-wringing, you're a fool.

LAMPS1 · 08/09/2023 13:21

You are helping a young person who shouldn’t even be in this country now her husband has abandoned her. She needs to go home and have her own family help her. She doesn’t sound grateful for your thoughtfulness towards her and is making even more conflict in your marriage and home. The situation is untenable and you should be very mindful of the legalities of supporting her in this country financially, especially if she can’t pay her fees. Are you planning on paying her fees too ? It would be better to give her a plane ticket home.
Or make an appointment for her with student support at her uni, telling them you can no longer help her or house her.
Im sure she will be glad to be back home after all her troubles.

Mostlyoblivious · 08/09/2023 13:22

When you said you think she’s waiting for someone to come and hand it all on a plate did you not realise that you are that person, handing it all on a plate to her?

You have done enough (far more than enough). Kick her out. It is not your responsibility or problem. It is amazing that you have tried to support her so so much, but she clearly doesn’t want it. Kick her out.

saxamaxa · 08/09/2023 13:22

Op it's not your problem about whether she can stay here to finish her course or not or whether she has some place else to go to. Kick her out now ffs

Mrs86 · 08/09/2023 13:23

BasKaro · 08/09/2023 11:50

@Jaemoon 🤣🤣🤣 that actually made me lol

I don't want praise from her, my husband just took umbridge with the fact she was praising me.

Reading this all has really taken a weight off me. I felt so guilty for feeling fed up, not necessarily with the help but the immaturity and entitlement. I am seriously going to start making steps to see if there is something like Southall black sisters who can take over.

Shes 26. She has the mind of a teenager though. But that also means she will easily fall into a bad situation. Like I've been telling her, and the police told her to report his aunt calling her on 101 as it can be a breach of his bail if he asked her to make the call, but she keeps showing me outfits for some upcoming festival instead. And also the bedsheet doesn't match all the new bedding and curtain set I got her. I seem to be spending my working hours with her phone pressed up to my face showing me various tik toks. Omg.

She sounds like a 'papa ki pari' 😂 (Going off your name here so I'm assuming you understand Urdu). You need to get rid of her. If she's been a victim of DA I don't know why the police haven't found her a place in a refuge/shelter, if she absolutely can't go back to that place or her husband then they usually find somewhere victims can stay temporarily, safely.

If she starts looking seriously I'm sure she can private rent or find a student share accommodation. She's living it up with you guys and on top of that scot free. She isn't your responsibility!

Beautiful3 · 08/09/2023 13:23

Sounds like she isn't interested in the course, and she has problems with her ex. She needs to go home and be with her family. That would be best all round. I'd give her a month to leave.

saxamaxa · 08/09/2023 13:26

The best thing you can ever do for her is buy her a one way ticket back. Make sure your DH pays for the ticket as it was his problem. Anyway, she's not your problem.

MNetcurtains · 08/09/2023 13:26

BasKaro · 08/09/2023 12:46

@Ylvamoon

Yep. Now I think that her degree maybe isn't really genuine. She's been massively mollycoddled - even her job back.home is next door to the dad in a very similar line of work. She was never taught to cook etc. She literally punched her fist down on the sofa when her mum didn't pander to something she was saying. I think the situation is going to implode in not a good way if something doesn't change.

I did think a little if I was given this support I'd be literally doing whatever I could in leui of payment, like housework etc. Then I thought maybe thats exploitation... I never have asked her to do anything but I did think wow... she just doesn't bother. I can't force her to get on her feet, I've given her every thing as best I can and she's tuned out. I think really it is best she goes home to her parents, if uni flops. She has no desire to get on her feet and I worry now reading the thread that they all think they've really landed on their feet with us and are here for the long haul.

The only person being exploited here is you. If you don't get rid of her now, you are going to be saddled with her for the foreseeable future. Either put her on a plane or take her to Uni and dump her there.

It doesn't sound as though she's remotely interested in her studies, perhaps this was all just a ruse to come and stay here permanently.

Also, If her husband was not born in the UK, what is he doing here?

BasKaro · 08/09/2023 13:27

It was a student support women who said about the classes, I didn't know about the stipulations on attendance so maybe (hopefully) the online classes won't be OKed by whoever OKs that stuff.
I am grateful for the feedback, I needed to hear some harsh truths, I couldn't see at all how "un natural" this level of help is.
The husband was here one night but doesn't know the address. I did bring this up with the police but they regard this address as being safe as he came here one time and never knew the actual address if he knew it he would have been here ages ago.
Trust me, however bonkers it all is it is completely real. I don't know really what to make of the doubts except I guess it shows me how I have been insanely OTT in the help I've been doing.
And yes to whoever said if I am planning to leave I absolutely need to not mess up my own job... thats my route to my own independence and I need to be abit more "selfish" and put me back as my priority. I could kick myself now that I let my workload slip to a point I've been unable to take any of the summer off with my kids.
I guess going forward I need to contact her uni directly to discuss options for her return there, and put some sort of end date on this for her to find an alternative by.
As for whoever said about childcare tbh I'd never trust her to be able to... she sat in the car once with my pretty well behaved 6yo but he was doing handstands.on the back seat and I came back to her crying 🙄

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