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School bans ALL physical contact

262 replies

DataColour · 07/09/2023 09:48

The parents haven't been informed by the school of this rule, but the kids have been told they will get a warning for the first transgression and then a detention is it happens again. No physical contact at all permitted. How are they going to enforce it and is this the case is any other school (from a quick Google I found that a school in Essex has done this) and AIBU to think it's ridiculous? I have 2 DCs in this school so it will affect them.

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IsItThough · 07/09/2023 11:06

Viviennemary · 07/09/2023 11:03

No need for hugging or holding hands in school.

But neither is it inappropriate

CharlotteBog · 07/09/2023 11:06

Viviennemary · 07/09/2023 11:03

No need for hugging or holding hands in school.

That's so sad to read.
Hugging and holding hands is such a normal thing for children/humans to do.

JohnnyYenSetHimselfOnFireAgain · 07/09/2023 11:06

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BorrowedThyme · 07/09/2023 11:06

Dilapidateddilapidate · 07/09/2023 11:05

@BorrowedThyme it just seems so clunky as to be unworkable anyway. Kids bump into each other, pass things to each other touching hands, brush fluff or whatever off each other, nudge each other, pat each others shoulders to get attention in a noisy room, lean close to whisper etc, who has the time to police all that?!

The assaults that happen would still be against the rules if this particular rule didn’t exist- if there weren’t rules against it it wouldn’t be called assault- yet it still happens. A clunky, hard to police and implement ban on touching will not stop assault or physical bullying, or for that matter fighting, from happening.

It is part of school culture, it is very very easy to regulate, no issues at all

ZadocPDederick · 07/09/2023 11:07

BorrowedThyme · 07/09/2023 10:51

It is not wrong. If you have any contact at all with children and cant see that this is a perfectly reasonable, and common school rule, then THAT is very worrying

It isn't a common school rule. The fact that you have encountered it doesn't make it common.

CalistoNoSolo · 07/09/2023 11:07

VeridicalVagabond · 07/09/2023 10:31

If banning sexual assault was enough to stop it happening no one would ever get sexually assaulted as it is, in fact, illegal.

Stopping kids from high fiving or hugging their friends is not going to stop sexual assaults from happening.

If children can't touch each other, they can't physically/sexually assault each other. If there is inappropriate touching its much easier to penalise the perpetrator if there is a blanket ban on all touching. As UK schools seem to be hotbed of sexual and physical assault I would say a no touching rule seems to be a sensible starting point.

Tandora · 07/09/2023 11:07

BorrowedThyme · 07/09/2023 11:00

no, you have a strong opinion that is "affected by or driving irrational and wildly uncontrolled emotion" the definition of hysterical

You honestly think that going 7 hours without physical contact is "degrading" "dehumanising" going to damage someone's physical and mental health?

That is hysterical

And the overwhelming majority of people on this thread thankfully agree with me.

BorrowedThyme · 07/09/2023 11:08

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I don't really understand why people think this is "the way the world is going" - this has been a bog standard school rule in many schools, forever. Nothing new about it

Tandora · 07/09/2023 11:08

BorrowedThyme · 07/09/2023 11:06

It is part of school culture, it is very very easy to regulate, no issues at all

I’m sure whipping children was easy to regulate; and very much a part of school culture at one time.

ElEmEnOhPee · 07/09/2023 11:09

Thinking about a family member who lost their mum at 13 to cancer. How her frineds supported her in the 5 years her mum was battling it and when she died. How their friendship and hugs helped soothe her through the most difficult time in her life. Her home life was traumatic in other ways too, so no, she couldn't have got that same comfort at home. Her dad wasn't in the picture and she was being raised by a grandfather who was also grieving.

There are MANY similar things that teenagers will be going through and different circumstances why they might need to seek comfort from friends. It actually sickens me that people can be okay with depriving them of that.

ButWhatAboutTheBees · 07/09/2023 11:10

So many people seem to miss the point when on about work by mentioned "inappropriate" and "unwanted" and "consensual"

Of course unwanted contact is banned.

But consensual hugs and touches are allowed

Here they've banned it all.

That's extreme and too far the other way. It teaches that any touch is some how evil and wicked. That physical contact is wrong no matter what

Children spend much more like half their time at school. Building healthy relationships is important and consensual touch is part of that.

Covid showed us that without human touch things were horrible and depressing. I remember hugging one friend very quickly because we hadn't for ages and we needed it but the "rules" didn't allow it. It felt so good even for that brief second. Human contact is, for most people, incredibly important

AmIAutumnalNow · 07/09/2023 11:11

sezzer87 · 07/09/2023 10:46

Secondary schools are like prisons these days.
My daughters school has removed toilet entrance doors, made them gender neutral. Painted the colourful walls grey, added extra high fencing with extra gates everywhere. Cctv in the bathrooms too. There's also a one way system and they've taken 15 minutes off lunchtime and removed one of the canteens so now when my daughter wants to eat lunch from school she has to run to the canteen and fight for the last bits of food. So much more I could add to this as well.

Do you ever wonder why.

Have you ever worked in a secondary school?

ZadocPDederick · 07/09/2023 11:11

BorrowedThyme · 07/09/2023 10:44

If you are not going to support school rules, please withdraw your children and find another place for them! Honestly - if you repeatedly support them in breaking the rules then either they will have to leave anyway,( and it will be on their CV for life) or they will decide the school is being more reasonable than you are and you will permanently rupture your relationship with them. When parents continue to undermine the school, one or the other is the most likely result

I wonder why teachers believe exclusions are on people's CVs for life? I've never seen one that detailed anything about a person's school life other than the qualifications they gained. Employers really have zero interest in how someone behaved at the age of 13.

Shouldbesolucky · 07/09/2023 11:12

CalistoNoSolo · 07/09/2023 10:52

If they can't keep their hands, dicks and toxic thoughts to themselves, then yes, life would be much better for all women and girls if men and boys were under permanent permanent permanent house arrest.

Seriously? I genuinely feel sorry for you, that you have such an aggressive and hateful view of boys and men. Yes they’re undoubtedly many men out there that are cruel and vicious. But to feel such hatred for the entire male population is not healthy. I’m assuming you don’t have male a child?
Throughout my life I have experienced equally negative, cruel and violent behaviour by both males and females.
We need to focus on instilling respectful behaviour on all children not instilling hate and creating barriers against an entire sex- no good will come of that.

ZadocPDederick · 07/09/2023 11:12

BorrowedThyme · 07/09/2023 11:08

I don't really understand why people think this is "the way the world is going" - this has been a bog standard school rule in many schools, forever. Nothing new about it

It really hasn't. Fortunately most schools have more sense.

Cloudsandyoghurts · 07/09/2023 11:12

I assume it makes it much easier to stop/punish genuinely problematic behaviour (which was rife in my secondary school days, boys grabbing girls whenever they felt like it) but they wouldnt actually punish a child comforting another child eg best friend's arm round shoulder of crying child, because teachers are also humans. In which case, fine.

edwinbear · 07/09/2023 11:14

I'd be so incredibly sad if this was introduced in DC's school. Neither DD or DS touch other people inappropriately, but it's completely normal for the school nurse to comfort an upset child, or the PE staff to fist bump a child who has just won a race/scored a goal/try and for the kids to give a congratulatory back slap/group team hug, when someone has just equalised for the team. Or even if they've lost a game but played well.

borntobequiet · 07/09/2023 11:14

This was standard in the (ordinary and typical) school I taught in until the early 2000s.

AmIAutumnalNow · 07/09/2023 11:14

Parents:

Schools should do something. My child was hurt/bullied/assaulted/jostled/is scared at lunchtimes/etc

Schools: do something

Parents: but not that

😏

Verbena17 · 07/09/2023 11:15

DataColour · 07/09/2023 10:00

But they are kids! Not working adults, they have different mental needs.

And actually, I can hug a colleague and receive no sanctions.

The workplace is totally different. Adults work in the workplace - their brains are pretty much fully developed, unlike those of secondary school age children. Contact in lots of forms is vital for forming bonds and learning.

The most important thing your kiddos school should be doing instead, is focussing on teaching the kids about forming their own personal boundaries.
Thats a skill/personality trait skill that often is lacking in older teens/young adults and which often will carry on into older adulthood - leaving those people vulnerable in all sorts of ways.

For my own child, forming their own boundaries is becoming really important now at age 21, and they have realised this being at uni in clubs and bars where they get a lot of very unwanted attention.
That doesn’t mean they don’t love hugs or whatever from those people they are close too!

Your child’s school clearly has their ‘woke’ goggles on and they need to get back to basics and stop being so clinical and stupidly strict.

JohnnyYenSetHimselfOnFireAgain · 07/09/2023 11:17

BorrowedThyme · 07/09/2023 11:08

I don't really understand why people think this is "the way the world is going" - this has been a bog standard school rule in many schools, forever. Nothing new about it

That simply isn't true. You sound depressingly batshit.

ZadocPDederick · 07/09/2023 11:19

The most important thing your kiddos school should be doing instead, is focussing on teaching the kids about forming their own personal boundaries.

Well, yes. Imposing a blanket no touching rule clearly doesn't teach them that, though, does it? It just teaches them to conform to a wholly arbitrary boundary imposed by a third party.

JohnnyYenSetHimselfOnFireAgain · 07/09/2023 11:20

Shouldbesolucky · 07/09/2023 11:12

Seriously? I genuinely feel sorry for you, that you have such an aggressive and hateful view of boys and men. Yes they’re undoubtedly many men out there that are cruel and vicious. But to feel such hatred for the entire male population is not healthy. I’m assuming you don’t have male a child?
Throughout my life I have experienced equally negative, cruel and violent behaviour by both males and females.
We need to focus on instilling respectful behaviour on all children not instilling hate and creating barriers against an entire sex- no good will come of that.

Spot on.

BorrowedThyme · 07/09/2023 11:20

Tandora · 07/09/2023 11:08

I’m sure whipping children was easy to regulate; and very much a part of school culture at one time.

and what has that got to do with anything?

BungleandGeorge · 07/09/2023 11:20

I’ve never heard of this before so I don’t think it is ‘common’. The reason they haven’t told parents is clearly that it’s absolutely ridiculous, detrimental to the children and they’re going to get kick back from parents. I’ve had numerous hugs of colleagues, all when something awful has happened and it’s been appreciated. There’s a very important message around consensual touching and you actually can’t teach and model that without allowing any contact.

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