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Mrs and Mr Smith

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Oysterbabe · 05/09/2023 10:00

When I write client letters I always put the woman's name first in the address and write
Dear Mrs & Mr Smith. The letters have to be checked before posting and my boss always swaps the names back because 'it doesn't flow properly'
AIBU for always writing the woman's name first?

OP posts:
AlexaCanYouHearMe · 08/09/2023 14:40

IdleAnimations · 07/09/2023 03:06

90% as of 2016 apparently (still looking for more up to date figures such as how many merge names). Not trying to be difficult but the data doesn’t back up your statement it’s only half of women.

https://www.bbc.com/worklife/article/20200921-why-do-women-still-change-their-names

I knew it! Grin It's such bullshit that many women keep their maiden name! 😆This may be a 7 year old survey, but the % is still roughly the same!!!

As I said, the vast majority of women - from 'GCSE educated.' unskilled workers, to the most well-educated, senior-management top professional women, change their surname when they get married - even though some on here claim 'most women' keep their maiden name... LOL, no they don't!😆

Also, 'Mrs and Mr' sounds ridiculous and stupid.

@Superfood · Yesterday 07:58

It genuinely does my nut in that a woman intelligent and driven enough to get a doctorate would change her name to her husband's.

LOL get a grip. 😆

Some women act like they are soooooooo superior if they keep their maiden name when they get married. You're not! And you're not any better than women who changed their surname to their husband's. Get over yourself!

The 'maiden name keepers' seem to get so annoyed and offended that the vast majority of women change their surname. Keep your neb out. It's none of your business. Quit trying to tell other women what to do, quit trying to make them feel bad for THEIR choices, and quit acting all smug and thinking you're superior, because you (allegedly) kept your maiden name. Most women DON'T and that is a fact, whether you like it or not. So get over it, and deal with it, and stop acting all high and mighty eh? Wink

AlexaCanYouHearMe · 08/09/2023 14:40

@IdleAnimations

A question in good faith here.

Whats the point in getting married at all? If you’re truly against the patriarchy you’d be against marriage because it was a way of moving women from the property of the father to the husband. Or am I misunderstanding here?

See, this is what makes me laugh about these 'feminists!' They do the lion's share of the housework, the childcare, the home admin, the domestic shit, and the grunt work, but won't change their surname 'because patriarchy!' 😂 You couldn't make this shit up! Grin

Castlerock44 · 08/09/2023 14:46

I presume it's because you want to make it clear that the "Mrs" is more important than the "Mr". Why, surely they're equal, but by making it an issue makes it look like the "Mrs" IS more important.

LittleMissUnreasonable · 08/09/2023 14:48

See below
@JSmithIloveyou

The 1930s called. They want their article back.

I always put Mrs and Mr Smith. I'm happy to write Mr and Mrs Smith. But I'll be damned if I ever write Mr and Mrs John Smith. That can fuck right off.

Castlerock44 · 08/09/2023 14:48

My young grandson sometimes gets letters addressed to master. My granddaughter's don't get letters addressed to mistress. Another injustice?

mewkins · 08/09/2023 14:49

FarmGirl78 · 08/09/2023 14:30

Traditionally, and I'm not saying that's best, separate names like that indicates a couple are estranged or divorced.

This thread is making me realise how set in my ways I am that I'd just prefer "Mr & Mrs Smith" than separate full names. Not because of anything to do with the traditional divorce thing above, but just because it's "normal".

I'm separated and can't think of any occasions in the last few years when we've received a joint letter. Even stuff relating to the kids comes to the parent/guardian of....

declutteringmymind · 08/09/2023 14:53

While it shouldn't always be the men first, and you should be able to swap them round, I would think that you were awkward and contrary if I noticed this on an email sent to me.

LittleMissUnreasonable · 08/09/2023 15:17

I'm Mary Smith.
DH is John Jones.
When we married we came Mary Smith-Jones and John Smith-Jones.*

We used to get passive aggressive post from an aunt who addresses us as Mr and Mrs John Jones. The aunt was at our wedding and knows it's double barrelled. Also I am not Mrs John. She doesn't use a computer and she wanted me to sign some important forms for her, so she sent them in the post to Mrs John Jones. I glanced at the name and though it was for DH so left it on the side (DH was away with work that week). I got a frantic call about a week later asking if I'd sent the forms to her. I said no, nothing had come in the post only a letter for DH. Turns out the forms were important and she missed a deadline which costed her some money... since then we get addressed properly on post from DAunt.

*Not really John Jones and Mary Smith

mewkins · 08/09/2023 15:24

declutteringmymind · 08/09/2023 14:53

While it shouldn't always be the men first, and you should be able to swap them round, I would think that you were awkward and contrary if I noticed this on an email sent to me.

I think it's good to be awkward and contrary. I think that's the only way moves towards great equality can be achieved. I don't think change ever happens if no one challenges it. Even in small ways.

Strawberryboost · 08/09/2023 15:42

LittleMissUnreasonable · 08/09/2023 15:17

I'm Mary Smith.
DH is John Jones.
When we married we came Mary Smith-Jones and John Smith-Jones.*

We used to get passive aggressive post from an aunt who addresses us as Mr and Mrs John Jones. The aunt was at our wedding and knows it's double barrelled. Also I am not Mrs John. She doesn't use a computer and she wanted me to sign some important forms for her, so she sent them in the post to Mrs John Jones. I glanced at the name and though it was for DH so left it on the side (DH was away with work that week). I got a frantic call about a week later asking if I'd sent the forms to her. I said no, nothing had come in the post only a letter for DH. Turns out the forms were important and she missed a deadline which costed her some money... since then we get addressed properly on post from DAunt.

*Not really John Jones and Mary Smith

I’m intrigued why this aunt wanted you to sign some forms for her!

PinkCherryBlossoms · 08/09/2023 16:02

AlexaCanYouHearMe · 08/09/2023 14:40

@IdleAnimations

A question in good faith here.

Whats the point in getting married at all? If you’re truly against the patriarchy you’d be against marriage because it was a way of moving women from the property of the father to the husband. Or am I misunderstanding here?

See, this is what makes me laugh about these 'feminists!' They do the lion's share of the housework, the childcare, the home admin, the domestic shit, and the grunt work, but won't change their surname 'because patriarchy!' 😂 You couldn't make this shit up! Grin

Strange point to try and tie onto a post that showed no understanding of the legal and financial implications of marriage. After all, women who cohabit with men do all those things, and they (mostly) don't change their names.

Nanny0gg · 08/09/2023 16:05

pinkyredrose · 05/09/2023 11:19

Only if you subscribe to outdated patriarchal views.

If you (and she) are using his surname then you already have

Superfood · 08/09/2023 20:36

AlexaCanYouHearMe · 08/09/2023 14:40

@IdleAnimations

A question in good faith here.

Whats the point in getting married at all? If you’re truly against the patriarchy you’d be against marriage because it was a way of moving women from the property of the father to the husband. Or am I misunderstanding here?

See, this is what makes me laugh about these 'feminists!' They do the lion's share of the housework, the childcare, the home admin, the domestic shit, and the grunt work, but won't change their surname 'because patriarchy!' 😂 You couldn't make this shit up! Grin

But you just did...

Superfood · 08/09/2023 20:38

FarmGirl78 · 08/09/2023 14:21

Yep. I'd wonder why too.

In the same way that ANYONE stating pronouns sets off a little klaxon is so many people's heads, this would do the exact same for me. I'd assume (likely unfairly) that you were some lefty hairy legged tree hugging hesian wearing overbearing feminist.

I'm all for equality but little battles like this just aren't beneficial.

Oh my god. I couldn't bear it if someone thought I had hairy legs.

RavingStyle · 08/09/2023 22:21

Superfood · 08/09/2023 20:38

Oh my god. I couldn't bear it if someone thought I had hairy legs.

Absolutely. What could be worse? We're women, after all.

BackAgainstWall · 08/09/2023 22:28

Your boss is correct.

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