To think the gender and sex Ed wars are created by tories

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The tories have totally messed up the country recently I think that people who did or didn't vote for them can see they are doing an awful job and they have no reasonable expectation of winning next general election..... EXCEPT now the Tory press has created this total obsession about

1. Sex education and
2. Gender and trans issues.

They are painting them selves as the only party that will save us from the wokes who want to identify as a dog or teach 12 year olds how to have anal sex... this is what the Tory tabloids are claiming is happening in schools.

What does everyone think?

I never hear the term purity spiral except when some right wing posters on here level it at me. Because it's so unusual, I assumed it's all the same pister who name changes regularly. Apologies if we have not conversed before.

Helen Joyce, who is fairly politically savvy, reckons that feminists' best bet is to get the Conservatives to make as many changes to the law as possible, clarifying the Equality Act, schools policy on gender and sex education etc, before the next election which Labour will most likely win for reasons nothing to do with feminism.

Starmer wont actively try to reverse changes that protect women and children because he saw what happened in Scotland and he's realised that if he goes for self id etc then the same leadership disaster that happened to Sturgeon is waiting to happen to him.

Yes. And if the Conservatives were serious about protecting women, rather than playing party politics, they'd make those changes. They have a stonking majority and political pressure on starmer not to oppose.

They won't do this because they are not actually motivated to solve the problem. They would rather do nothing now in the hope the issue wins them votes at the next election.

Actions speak louder than words

To me the worry is once womens sex based rights are gone they are gone forever.

Nonbinary identities and trans people have existed for a very, very long time though

Nonbinary is made up bollocks. Androgyny is as old as the hills but weirdly never required young women and girls to have radical double mastectomies before or pretend sam smith isn't actually just a man.

Transexuals were a tiny number of mostly gay men with dysphoria. It was a mental health issues. They couldn't have any surgery unless they knew they weren't actually changing sex.

The biggest mistake was making 'trans' not a mental health problem, because what else is it if someone dissociates from their body? Entirely deliberate move by the TRA's

This of course removed any and all gatekeeping which allows all the AGP'S, fetishistic transvestites, straight men who call themselves lesbians etc.

It's purely a psychological issue not a physical one.

Basically that @AdamRyan the Tories are determined to use this as an issue at the election which is why they won’t do anything.

every political party is a fucker on this issue

Might be an mn thing, many pro Labour voters posting

the Tories are determined to use this as an issue at the election

I doubt it. I suspect a lot of them see it as a toxic no-win, same as Starmer does. But there may be some who can be motivated to change the law now, if they're poked hard enough.

100% agree

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.express.co.uk/news/politics/1793932/rishi-sunak-weaponise-divisive-trans-migrant/amp

This is the reporting in the pro-Conservative Express about Sunak's election strategy

Also this very topic is discussed by The Week. The Week are politically neutral.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.theweek.co.uk/news/politics/962151/rishi-sunak-will-waging-culture-war-win-him-election%3famp

Soooo assuming labour get in, a distinct possibility right now, and they do in fact bring in this one dr thing. It's going to be free, I guess, just a matter if waiting for an appointment with your own surgery. I suggest as well as all the other things we will have to be doing to counter this, we all en masse go visit our local gp willing to sign the form and become men.

And as we already can, change our passports and drivers licenses and if it comes to it, our birth certificates.

Then aggressively police our new pronouns.

The Week is a good magazine and scores highly for factual news reporting but it's rated as left leaning on multiple sites for its opinion pieces, I would not describe it as politically neutral.

I do agree with them though that Sunak risks alienating voter's with a negative electoral campaign which focuses on divisive issues. On the gender ideology issue any other party could easily rip the rug out from under him, why aren't they doing that?

Oh hello purity spiral poster. I see you've name changed
Well, FOJN has been posting for as long as I remember. But I've not come across Adam Ryan before.
And all of this rolls round (again) to 'just trust Labour, because the Tories are so horrid'
To be frank, an comment piece written by Annaliese Dodds in the Guardian doesn't signify anything. And has Starmer really said anything signicant and meaningfull? No.
So, no thanks, I don't trust Labour.

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I think many people like the OP don't actually know that there was a complete media blackout about what was going on.

You couldn't talk about it on twitter or any other forum. Mumsnet was the only site possibly in the world at that time that allowed women to discuss our concerns under extremely strict and heavily moderated guidelines.

This was definitely NOT started by hype in the media. In fact, the media have been terrifyingly slow to even start reporting. Someone, somewhere held a lot of power over the media.

If anyone is interested, look back at old threads in FWR. It's all true. Women were fighting for their rights long before governments or media or people like OP even cared that their rights were at risk.

A previous poster mentioned Dentons, I hope this link works to explain it:

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/the-document-that-reveals-the-remarkable-tactics-of-trans-lobbyists/

Basically, the plan by activists was to infiltrate and implement on the down low. This worked spectacularly well, and as has been mentioned many in the Tory party went along with it. But when they have looked into what is involved the party - if not all of its MPs - are starting to speak up and stand against it.

Labour and the other parties are however bullying and ostracising any of their MPs whp speak out about the harms of the ideology.

If anyone is interested, look back at old threads in FWR. It's all true. Women were fighting for their rights long before governments or media or people like OP even cared that their rights were at risk.

OP doesnt actually care, her last post was
Torys torying 😃

No insight, no care for the women badly affected, no thought given to the 51% of people this matters to. She's on the right side of history, she thinks.

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Thanks. But perhaps you might have taken your own advice when criticising another poster for sock puppeting.

@AdamRyan I've never used the term "purity spiral" but it's apt, I think I'll start.

The tories cant successfully use this as a weapon unless they have actually taken more action before the election. Women are not as daft as you think. However Labour cant claim the moral high ground while they continue to actively support trans activists, cheering on those threatening violence against women, and try to exclude from the party anyone speaking in favour of women's rights.

What is Labour offering me to win my vote? They cant accept reality, how can they govern? They want to remove my rights, they care fuck all about women except at election time. Women cant get HRT - they'd stand a better chance if trans people were not taking their medication. cant easily find the rest of your list but when Labour return to government they are going to really struggle to reverse years of decline. They will double down on the easy hits to satisfy people they have done something - and they will see trans rights as an easy hit because they dont care about women.

You will vote to give away your rights - you are a turkey voting for Christmas.

I didn't say they were sock puppeting. I said I thought they had name changed from previous encounters.

what's the difference?

Found the list so...

maternal mortality has increased

• women can't get hold of essential medication reliably (HRT)
• childcare has become unaffordable and it's increasingly difficult to find

elderly/disability care support, so more women are going part time/dropping out of work to fill the gap

• as a result increasing numbers of women live in poverty
• rape and sexual assault are effectively decriminalised
• domestic abusers are not effectively dealt with so women are stalked, injured and murdered by abusers even when they've flagged the risk. There is no plan to deal with this
• women are increasingly reporting gender discrimination at work
• porn is increasingly widespread as to be normal and is increasingly violent and misogynist, entrenching damaging attitudes in our teens. Resulting in things like an increase in anal injuries in teen girls which will affect them for the rest of their lives

Which of these is Labour actually going to address and how? We've just seen that a violent criminal, cheered on by Labour, is not even convicted of inciting violence against women. They are hardly going to deal with domestic abuse or rape and sexual assault.

"Gender" discrimination at work is sex discrimination. Males reporting "gender" discrimination are supported by Labour, women reporting sex based discrimination are not supported by Labour. Schools are almost teaching porn these days -why are Labour not doing anything or saying anything about that? They would probably celebrate it.

HRT - well Labour want that to go on "gender affirming care" instead.

Tell me again what Labour plan to do that I can vote for?

• women are increasingly reporting gender discrimination at work

It's SEX discrimination. Discrimination based on somebodies sex.

Gender discrimination is not a thing when the word gender can mean what ever the person saying it wants it to mean. In fact gender is now a largely meaningless word.

Sorry @anyolddinosaur I sound really pedantic, but I think it's really important that this isn't forgotten.