I’ve withdrawn from organ donation register

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I give blood and have always been very pro organ donation.

Sadly I have just withdrawn as protest against reproductive organ donation. I can’t support it and am very conflicted as would like to donate other organs.

What are your views and is it a hasty decision (although not sure I would change my mind).

That’s fair tbh. Reproductive donations are not life saving. Motherhood isn’t a right but a privilege.

Except I did not lie. You're the one lying.

Where’s the harm in someone explicitly stating on the donor register that “I do not consent to donation of my reproductive organs or tissue now or in the future”? Or words to that effect.
Even a simple tickbox would do.

You lied.

You said the article claimed uterus transplants for TW would be here within 10 years.

The surgeon you made much of who was quoted in the article says if (not when) it happens, it won't be for at least 10-20 years.

You're either lying to deliberately scaremonger or you have a shocking grasp of the English language.

Edit: I'm going to copy-paste the quote in case anyone is in any doubt (emphasis my own for clarity which is apparently sorely needed).

“My own sense is if there are transgender transplants that are going to take place, they are many years off. There are an awful lot of steps to go through. My suspicion is a minimum of 10 to 20 years.”

The only way you can get "within 10 years" from that is by lying or by failing to understand basic English.

Indeed.

But currently there is no free text box where you can say that, nor is there a tick box to that effect

That's all I'm asking for

I wonder what percentage of these adamant “oh I wouldn’t accept an organ transplant anyway”have actually been in that position, 1%?! Such utter performative bollocks. It’s almost laughable if it weren’t life and death.

Regardless, you attention seekers can have any of my useful organs if you change your mind. They’re a gift and I won’t pass judgement in my death. In my life, however, I am free to say that those who are gleefully posting about removing themselves from the list are utterly pathetic. If you’re opposed, then whatever - as I said, my organs (and others) can go to you regardless but the “oh dear no organs for anyone now!” posts are unnecessary.

I said in 10 years. And the article specifically mentions minimum/at least.... 10 ..... years.

So you're clearly lying and misrepresenting me, and I will not let you get away with it.

And it should be set up so that women could opt out of ALL reproductive organ transplants. Including uterus, tubes, ovaries, eggs, cervix and vagina (I read a medical article where they said they would need vaginal/cervical tissue to be able to set the uterus correctly. I am also waiting for when the "medical professionals" figure out a way to transplant/graft vaginal tissue to GRS recipients.

No thank you.

The organ register isn’t the place for it as it’s literally a giant database. Computer does not compute special notes sort of thing.

You can file a note with your GP to get it on your medical records as an advance directive (I’m going by what a pp said, cannot vouch for them). You can also ensure your NOK know your wishes as by law they have to ask them when the time happens as to your wishes.

I wonder what percentage of these adamant “oh I wouldn’t accept an organ transplant anyway

Who on earth wouldn't if it would save their life? Sounds like BS. Even Jehovah's Witnesses allow it now.

My bestie has chronic end stage kidney failure and I can guarantee, everyone would choose a transplant over that life.

Exactly.

This is not an unreasonable request. Particularly in the light of the current gaslighting of women that is going on in the NHS and in other government bodies.

Such an easy fix. I would question the real motives of anyone who says that this is unreasonable or undesirable.

Why wouldn't you want women to feel reassured when giving consent to be donors? Especially where reassurance can be easily achieved as there are already tick boxes.

Don't worry, everyone can see in plain English what is really going on.

So just to be clear, who’s end goal is it for trans women to have uterus transplants? You are making it sound like the surgeons who carried out the living donor transplant that has kicked all this off see it as just a stepping stone to men having babies. I would imagine there are very few trans women who would actually be interested in having a womb and even fewer drs who would seriously consider carrying out this procedure. Sure, kudos and fame if it worked but I would imagine negative outcomes are far more likely. People will try, I don’t dispute that, I’m sure they will Trying is human nature. Take away the emotions and it’s just more science. More learning.

Harping on about the end goal being trans women having uterus transplants rather than helping infertile women is daft. There will be people who will be interested in exploring that of course but that’s hardly the same as trying to suggest that it’s a worldwide plot to get uteruses into men and implying that it’s fully supported by the medical profession.

They sure can and you don't look good with your lies and misrepresentations.

You are already automatically opted out of all of that as they are nonroutine donations. The law is set up that way. The screen shot showing that was earlier in the thread from the NHS webpage that pp posted.

You can also file with your GP to get it added to your electronic records. You can let your NOK know your wishes. By law they have to have your or your NOK explicit consent and anything you have on file overrules anything your NOK say.

It’s not an easy fix. And actually, you’d be campaigning to get reproductive organs and tissue classed as routine donations where by law you are automatically opted in as a donor unless you explicitly opt out.

So asking for this is technically asking to not be automatically opted out anymore.

Flickersy yes you're right, I can see what you're doing. It's not a good look.

Laws can be changed. Consent be changed easily. Forms changed easily without consultation. The health services does not have a good reputation in the area of women rights. Repeatedly stating "You are already automatically opted out of all of that as they are nonroutine donations. The law is set up that way." doesn't allay our fears.

But so what, some women want further reassurance.

Why, in the light of the gaslighting that's been going on in the NHS and other public bodies should we be confident that laws won't change without us being informed?

This is not an unreasonable request. If a woman is offering the gift of donation then this is not an unreasonable reassurance to ask for at all.

No matter how much you dress it up to be unreasonable consent should be on the terms of the donor. It is easy to resolve.

No, it doesn't have to be classed as a routine donation in order for there to be an express opt out.

Plus, while they say it will take 10-20 years before they've mastered it; there will be still a lot of experimentation happening, where they will use the "donated" reproductive organs to work on figuring how to make it come together.

No thank you.

Right now they may have an opt out or say they won't use any reproductive organs, but what about the future? If/when it can happen, will they quietly drop the automatic opt out, opting everyone in unless someone says no?

But don’t you see what you are asking for is to be automatically opted in for uterine donations? You are asking for them to be classed as routine donations just like a kidney or liver by asking for them to be added as a tick box on the organ register!

Currently, we are automatically opted OUT. All our reproductive organs cannot be touched even if we have opted in on all organs on the organ register. They are deemed rightly so as special, nonroutine and require special explicit separate consent from us or our NOK to be used,

By asking to get them added, you’re asking the Gov to take that extra protection away. That scares me and it should scare you too if you genuinely do not want women losing their reproductive organs without their consent!

I agree.

So what makes you think opting out will stop them from taking your organs? According to you they can do anything they like so maybe they'll just doctor everyone's consents or just flat out ignore them.

But that’s just putting more obstacles in the way. Setting up an advanced directive is complicated and not everyone has NOK or NOK they can trust to remember and respect their wishes. A tickbox on the Donor registry is a pretty simple solution to the threat of many people opting out of donating altogether.