I’ve withdrawn from organ donation register

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I give blood and have always been very pro organ donation.

Sadly I have just withdrawn as protest against reproductive organ donation. I can’t support it and am very conflicted as would like to donate other organs.

What are your views and is it a hasty decision (although not sure I would change my mind).

I agree with you @BillaBongGirl but we have moved on medically speaking an awful lot since 1931 and the lack of success doesn’t mean people won’t still try

They are certainly trying for it. That's the point.

How odd 😐

My own sense is if there are transgender transplants that are going to take place, they are many years off. There are an awful lot of steps to go through. My suspicion is a minimum of 10 to 20 years.”
Yes, random person gives their opinion on when they think it will happen, how is them.saying they think it's 10 to 20 years minimum to it's going to happen in about 10 years?
I swear people just make things up to fit their own narrative.
As it doesn't say anything of the sort
It even says if and would be many years off big if and it even mentions that.
You'd have to think of the "wiring up" as well, you can't just plumb in a womb to a born male body and have it carry a baby to term.
Not possible and no one has said it is, or will definitely be, never mind in 10 years or whatever!

They can try to swim to the moon if they like.

You've blatantly misrepresented the claims in the article.

He’s a cosmetic surgeon. You can’t take his now quite old sensationalist claims probably to drum up patients for GCS surgery seriously.

”“Every transgender woman wants to be a woman as much as possible,” Dr Narendra Kaushik told the British tabloid The Daily Mirror. “That also means that you can be a mother. The way to go here is a uterine transplant, similar to a kidney or other organ transplant. This is the future.” Kaushik does not say exactly when the operation will take place but assures that it will happen very soon. “We have our plans, and we are very optimistic about this.”
Suppose the donor uterus, from a living or deceased donor, is transplanted into the abdomen of the biological man. In that case, according to several doctors, it should theoretically be possible for an embryo to be implanted. IVF is then used for fertilization. Natural pregnancy is excluded because the uterus is not connected to fallopian tubes.
For a long time, Thailand was the destination for desired medical interventions. Now, it is India. Dr. Kaushik runs a plastic and cosmetic surgery clinic in New Delhi. He says about 20 per cent of his patients come from abroad.
For Prof. Simon Fishel, it borders on “madness” to even attempt to transplant a uterus into a biological man. The British doctor was involved in the research that led to the birth of the first ‘test tube baby’ in 1978. In the Daily Mirror, he says he finds it “grossly irresponsible” if the Indian doctor’s plan is not tested on animals. To his knowledge, that investigation has not yet been done.
In 2014, a healthy baby was born from a transplanted uterus for the first time in Sweden. It concerned a 36-year-old woman born without a uterus. Uterine transplants in transgender women are experimental. One case of a uterine transplant to a trans woman has been documented, but she died a few months later after complications.”
https://cne.news/article/1121-uterine-transplant-for-trans-woman-stirs-debate-in-europe

You can try to grow wings so you can fly like Tinkerbell or Superman, doesn't mean it's necessarily going to happen either.

I haven't misrepresented anything, you are the one linguistically trying to distort it. A minimum of 10 to 20 years. They are working on it, they've even done a study specifically with trans women. There is a lobby and trans delegation get it done. You are deeply in denial.

It WILL be happening.

Another for the in denial "it's not happening" camp.

Cross posted there, I see we make the same point

That patient also had XXY chromosomes so naturally had hormone levels closer to female than male. Not the bog-standard transwoman.

Try reading the thread - you'll find your answer.

No that’s not the “end goal” FFS!
The end goal has always been uterine transplants for women.
We are just now getting past it being experimental for women.

@BillaBongGirl Wish they would leave the animals out of their crazed plans - and the poor foetuses.

@Sueveneers i haven't got time to read the fucking full thread, ta.

Trans women are men. And men haven't got the plumbing for it to work.

I did not know that. But yes they would need to do some sort of ovary transplant and/or huge hormone cocktail to shut down testicles and activate ovaries for any male to carry a pregnancy to term. Huge ethical issues with this btw, I don’t think it would be even in 20yrs.

• if womb transplants became the norm would you donate yours?

Yes

• if transplants into trans women became the norm would you donate to a trans woman in the hopes they may have a successful pregnancy?

Yes. I'd even donate my body to medical experimentation seeking to make the procedure safe. If there are trans woman longing to bear children, and it makes them happy , and I'm dead anyway, then sign me up.

I am not the one who thinks "it will take at least ten years" means "within ten years".

Talk about linguistic distortion...

What a shame that this thread has been hijacked by men's rights activists who want to scold women for having body autonomy.

The names are the same ones that crop up in FWR to scold women for wanting single sex spaces and generally not bowing down to the demands of men who claim to be women.

There is an important discussion to be had here. It is not unreasonable for women to say that we want guidance and reassurance that our body parts are used in a manner we agree with after death. This is a reasonable request.

Any woman can refuse to be a donor for any reason. This could very easily be resolved in a way that women can have reassurances AND remain on the donor register but some will never miss an opportunity to blame and scold women rather than listen to and respect our concerns.

You can shout it WILL happen in capital letters, doesn't make it any more true.

Me too, that’s one reason why I think it’s pretty sci fi. The ethics for woman to woman uterine donation are very different from woman to man. It’s not the same tbh, and it’s not going to just be can we do this, but many years of debating should we do this?

@squiblet you really think subjecting a foetus to drugs and experimentation is OK?

And here we go with mens rights accusations and scolding (scolding ffs) if you don't agree.
It's honestly beyond pathetic.

How?

Women could easily be listened to and the issue could be resolved.

But we're not important enough, our concerns are belittled and we are scolded.

It's all over this thread.

They haven’t done a study, they did a survey asking transwomen if it were possible would they like to experience pregnancy and child birth, ie if a womb transplant were feasible and a certain % ticked the yes box,

Thats it, that’s not a study. You say like there’s been some sort of anatomical study done on the feasibility of a uterine transplant in a male body with trans volunteers being scanned and poked and prodded.