Is there going to be another pandemic

[Lookingforwardtoautumnnow]

This winter?

Seen a couple of people posting about it, tbf they are conspiracy types, but I have anxiety after having covid & long covid and can’t go through all that again. Can anyone reassure me?

Why would anyone trust you when you've clearly given no thought at all to how society would keep functioning in that situation? People who gleefully tell us that we'd all be behaving in whatever doomwank scenario they invent never think about what essential workers would be doing, or more precisely not doing, if we had 75% mortality or whatever.

If we had mortality that high, the food supply chain would collapse. Hunkering down like last time wouldn't be an option, because people would literally be starving. You wouldn't be staying the fuck at home, you'd be out looting.

Have had it 5x with three times being this year. Am pregnant and have had Covid almost every day of pregnancy. Had symptoms for 10 weeks after catching it in May. Felt good for 4 days then caught it again after exposure end July. Have posted previously about it. Caught it outdoors twice.

I think it's obvious herd immunity doesn't exist; protection from recent infection is minimal if at all (had it Feb/May/July this year; 21 weeks illness in total) six feet of distance does nothing (likely gave it to my neighbour chatting outdoors when I was first ill in May; neighbour was also ill almost three months);
masks work; vaccination helps. Long-term effects are still unknown. People can take their chances, but shouldn't criticize those that take precautions.

Five-days of isolation was reduced from ten days under pressure from gov't and business; and testing windows are quite small (3-5 days max from onset of first symptom). Hence, so many false negatives. Regarding earlier info that masks may not work: health auth wanted to protect supply and it was u k own if virus was aerosolized (spray from a sneeze or cough and just from breathing) which is why 6 feet distance was said to be safe. Sharing air leads to infection and very little of the virus is needed to become sick.

Many people are lucky to have mild/very mild illness, but it still is not known how a person's health will be affected 10-20 years out after even mild illness (esp children).

I'm not for lock downs unless disease is out of control, but masks, isolating when any symptoms of illness (even at home from family) are present; and free access to vaccination on demand plus vaccination programs to reach the larger population, ability to work from home, not penalizing the sick, are all sensible measures to support people and keep economy etc going.

Getting off soap box now. 😁

Children are the asymptomatic carriers that help it spread.

Of course there will at some point. But things like flu and Covid become endemic where we live with them and restrictions are unnecessary. Stop follow people online who post stuff like that, easy solution

Society would not immediately collapse. As we've seen in a few African countries, it is possible to relatively contain Ebola if very stringent restrictions are put in place. So that's what people mean, if a few dozen cases of Ebola popped up in London, all the 'two fingers up to lockdown' crowd would stay home, thus hopefully preventing a huge epidemic.

As you very, very well know, at the early stage when a lockdown might help, anyone with any task to do outside the home would be begging the people who didn't have to be out to stay home. The last thing they would want is everyone going "oh no point in a lockdown, let's just keep going out anyway, because in a few days time we'll all be looting anyway so there's no point".

A few cases of something in London is nothing like the very lurid situation the poster I was replying to set out. She gave very specific examples of 95% death rates. You're moving her goalposts for her.

It's likely there will be another pandemic at some point. When-no one knows. What-no one knows.

It's unlikely there'll be any more lockdowns/restrictions though because good fucking luck getting anyone to comply. I certainly won't be.

Some people are chomping at the bit for another lockdown because they weren't the people who struggled during it. They were the people who were in receipt of stable, steady and secure incomes. They weren't in fear of losing their jobs or their businesses.

Some people, believe it or not, quite liked lockdown and their newfound ability to police other people's behaviour and deem them "selfish," and "non-compliant." Curtain-twitchers.

The lockdowns were a mistake of catastrophic proportions and we've yet to see the full damage yet. Not just the economic toll, but the toll that has been taken on people's health-both mental and physical.

How many people are going to die of preventable diseases due to delayed diagnosis and treatment?

Now there may be other factors relevant to those delays and backlogs as well, but lockdown has played its part, too and for all the people who enjoyed lockdown-think about that before you beg for another one.

But of course, those of us who were arguing against lockdown were decried as selfish assholes who wanted all the grandmas to die! Not worried and concerned citizens who were anxious about the future of our country and what the toll would be of locking the country down for 2 years.

The people who were the virtuous and good people were the ones who "abided" by every rule and hid in their big, spacious homes with big gardens and learned to bake banana bread. Those were the ones just looking out for the good of society.

You're another one who hasn't engaged with the possibility of people with tasks outside the home being too scared to do them. Do you really think the people who eg drive delivery vans for asda will all happily carry on doing so in the scenario @Mum1976Mum outlined? Not a watered down one, but diseases with 95% mortality. And what would happen when they didn't?

I am very sorry for your loss

Two of my FB friends are huge conspiracy theorists and both posting that there’s a lockdown coming this winter but seems they’ve got this ‘news’ from a woman on tiktok 🤷‍♀️

There's always going to be conspiracy theorists and many know that the way to get clicks is to fuel some people's worst fears-lockdown.

I'm sure that there were rumours circulating last winter as well-it didn't happen then and it won't happen now. If it's related to covid-we have to live with it and can't lock down every time there's a new strain.

If an individual wants to lock themselves down, and wear masks-fine, but society-wide? The government can do one. We need to make our own individual choices now and decide what is right for us.

Do try to boost your vit d levels before winter comes.

Thank you

I often still wear a mask because my dc has Long Covid and has been ill with it for over a year! The second time dc had it things got even worse. I am trying to avoid bringing it home to them again!

No I'm not

I don't think you understand what fatality rate means. It doesn't mean 95% of the country dies, it means 95% of people who contract the disease die. All diseases start small and expand. So even a very high fatality disease would start with a limited number of cases, which could hopefully be contained in time.

That's the point, if you told people that a disease was spreading that, if you caught it, gave you only a 50/50 chance of survival, people would stay home. Unless they're complete fucking idiots.

Oh I'm an idiot am I for caring about my family member who is very ill with Long Covid? You're the idiot with comments like this!

Not at all - it's a no-brainer that you can get to a point like that. It's not a no-brainer that there's no point even trying to keep ourselves off the streets before that point, because the total breakdown of society is going to arrive anyway.

So we've got a situation where a truly horrendous disease has appeared somewhere in the UK. Why on earth wouldn't we at least try to stop it? Would the extra couple of days of "normal life free of lockdowns that we've thankfully managed to rationalise away as pointless" really be worth giving up without even trying?

Again, this is changing what the post I quoted wrote. You've added all the bits about it being at an early stage. And also made an assumption, based on nothing at all, that it would hit that covidy 'sweet spot' where people are scared enough to voluntarily limit their behaviour but not so scared that they refuse to do their essential out of home jobs. Just like the poster I initially quoted, you've failed to consider what happens in the very real chance that it's not.

Ultimately, the 'unless they're total fucking idiots' part is a cop out and a cope. We're taking about what people would do, not whether you consider their actions to be sensible or convenient.

Nobody is saying we wouldn't do anything to try and stop it. We probably would. The discussion being had is about a poster claiming everyone would observe lockdown if a disease were particularly awful. You clearly agree with me that they were wrong. It seems we basically concur, then?

Really, people who want to tell us we'd definitely observe lockdown in another pandemic would do better to conjure up less extreme visions. They need ones that look more like, well, covid 19.

@dreamingbohemian I'm honestly not sure that would even work
You'll have the tin foil hat brigade saying they're slipping covid vaccines and microchips in them...

So who are the people who wouldn't observe lockdown in a situation where the disease is so bad that people with jobs outside the home are afraid to come out? Those things seem a bit contradictory. Delivery drivers won't work but other people will still try to sneak round getting their hair cut?

Odd that haircuts would be your first thought. If the food supply chain collapsed, people would be out looking for food! Hairdressers included.

Also, humans have often done some pretty nasty stuff when faced with that level of anarchy and fear. The Black Death, for example, featured widespread massacres of Jews and lepers who were scapegoated for what was happening. I'd love to say we've moved beyond that kind of behaviour in the last 700 years, but we clearly haven't.

There IS the possibility that essential workers might have a "fool me once shame on you fool me twice shame on me" attitude and decide they wont be used again to support the laptop class. The thanks they got was being moaned at to wear masks (supermarket workers) moaned at by the "its just fifteen minutes in Waitrose" brigade who have never pushed a pallet around or loaded and lugged around heavy items in their life,

And the care workers were thanked with a vaccine mandate. Absolute insanity to do that to an already decimated sector.

It might well have nothing to do with mortality and everything to do with not wanting to be used and abused again.

I think the point people are trying to make is that people probably wouldn't obey a lockdown if its another covid situation. The only thing that would get people to stay home is if its a much more dangerous disease, Ebola level.

And yes, it's beyond obvious that if half the country is dead, we're well beyond lockdown. So when people say Ebola would keep people home, they are very obviously referring to the early stages.