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Lookingforwardtoautumnnow · 2023-08-28T15:10:34+00:00

This winter? Seen a couple of people posting about it, tbf they are conspiracy types, but I have anxiety after having covid & long covid and can’t go through all that again. Can anyone reassure me?

Beautiful3 · 28/08/2023 20:14

I dont care, I'm going to carry on as normal. The government didn't adhere to the rules, just laughed at us all while they partied.

HateLongCovid · 28/08/2023 20:15

Gcsunnyside23 · 28/08/2023 16:17

I would say I think it is 100% likely to happen in our lifetime but I doubt it'll ever get to full lockdown as no one would adhere to it because so many think it was an overreaction. And then it will end up way worse than COVID

This ☝️

PinkCherryBlossoms · 28/08/2023 20:16

Palmasailor · 28/08/2023 20:11

Could easily be another US led lockdown attempt prior to the US election to justify shutting the polling stations and forcing postal / electronic voting.

if it happened over there, I think they’d try to make us follow over here, and I think most people would comply again.

Odds are the Tories will still be in power in November 2024, as governments who know they're toast usually try and drag their term out to the bitter end. Can you actually imagine Sunak, or whichever Johnson apologist has replaced him by then, trying to tell the public to observe restrictions again?!

PinkiOcelot · 28/08/2023 20:16

Deathbyfluffy · 28/08/2023 16:21

The irony is there may be a pandemic that needs a lockdown - but everyone will be too stupid to comply, leading to many more deaths

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Give me strength!

Mumtobabyhavoc · 28/08/2023 20:18

MrTiddlesTheCat · 28/08/2023 19:57

The study conclusions are that it is uncertain whether or not they make a difference so further research is needed.

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And further, the focus was on kn94 masks.
so many questions remain, ie how the masks were used, duration, environment of use, other exposure to the mentioned sources of toxins. ... the article mentions airing these specific masks for 30 mins prior to use as well as a benefit. Another study posted here was criticized for bias.
Surgical-type masks are to hold in your own germs to protect others. N95-type are to filter out germs to protect you.
Click-bait headlines are very misleading...

HateLongCovid · 28/08/2023 20:27

@Mumtobabyhavoc Sorry, saying "You'll be fine." Is simply not true. Vaccination helps your immune system fight off covid and usually prevents serious disease, but not in everyone. Also, people can develop long-covid after multiple infections and sometimes just one exposure is all it takes. Latest info shows increase in heart related death up to two years after infection; increased risk of diabetes/diabetes complications and possible increased risk of dementia. There is still a lot to be learned about it. It mutates frequently and is highly contagious. Do all you can to avoid infection and infecting others if you have it. Frankly, I believe the worst is yet to come and will show as chronic illness en masse. No need to panic, just exercise caution. We cannot return to previous life completely. Everything really has changed.

Totally agree - well said!

HateLongCovid · 28/08/2023 20:30

KingSeokjin · 28/08/2023 17:34

My dad was vaccinated, he died from COVID in the early hours of Sunday morning.

Really sorry to hear that. Deepest sympathy to you and your family 💐

NeedTheSeaside · 28/08/2023 20:32

UnmentionedElephantDildo · 28/08/2023 19:10

What we can do is:

invest in cleaner air (filtration/ventilation)
require masks in medical settings
consider further mask mandates when transmission is high eg on public transport, during peaks
expand the autumn vaccination programme
better messaging on the guidance for what to do if you have covid (ie stay at home unless essential you leave it, practice social distancing if you must go out plus keep away from more vulnerable people)
provide prophylactic MABs (when available) to the critically vulnerable (one of the biggest disgraces of the whole pandemic to date is the failure to do that in 2022)
invest in research towards a fully sterilising future vaccine
invest in research for better antivirals, and make them more widely available
create better long covid care pathways

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@UnmentionedElephantDildo

where do we vote for you to be in charge??

PinkCherryBlossoms · 28/08/2023 20:42

'Encouraging' sick people to stay at home is pure self indulgence if it isn't backed by the institutional tools that allow people to do it. Use the resources to fund proper statutory sick pay instead.

ShadyCat · 28/08/2023 20:43

@dreamingbohemian but that's been the same forever really. Some employers will cover it, mine does but I don't pay anyway
Even with my employer paying it, uptake is really really low. NHS cover flu jabs too I'm pretty sure

19th June was my last covid vaccine and I've had 7 so far

ShadyCat · 28/08/2023 20:46

This is who the flu jab covers, it's pretty comprehensive. So if you work in retail/customer facing and have asthma, you'll be eligible, or if you live with someone immunocompromised
Add on to that all the people who are offered it for free from their work and it's a fair amount covered
But it all depends on take up I guess

Eligible groups for the 2023 to 2024 season:
• aged 2 and 3 years on 31 August 2023
• eligible school aged children (Reception to Year 11)
• those aged 6 months to under 65 years in clinical risk groups
• pregnant women
• all those aged 65 years and over
• those in long-stay residential care homes
• carers, those in receipt of carer’s allowance or main carer of an older or disabled person
• household contacts of immunocompromised individuals
• frontline health and social care staff

JenniferBooth · 28/08/2023 20:49

Exactly Pink Its funny how that is never the primary suggestion isnt it. If i didnt know better i would think the pro lockdowners didnt want their taxes increased to fund it OR didnt/dont want to give up their ideology of not giving poorer people money. Or both. You only have to see the way social housing tenants are spoken about on here. Which brings me to my next point. I remember those of us living in flats being moaned at for not having room to self isolate, AND YET this hasnt morphed into a new campaign against the bedroom tax!!

Then there is the way elderly people are spoken about on here. oh except during Covid when they were being used as a tool to emotionally blackmail others into following restrictions!!!

Some of us see you!!

KingSeokjin · 28/08/2023 21:00

HateLongCovid · 28/08/2023 20:30

Really sorry to hear that. Deepest sympathy to you and your family 💐

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Thank you

PinkCherryBlossoms · 28/08/2023 21:05

Wrt mask mandates, for these to have any teeth at all they'd have to be accompanied by resources to enforce them. Compliance was very patchy in England by the time we finally got rid in 2022, and we saw some places where they were supposed to be in force, like supermarkets, basically refuse responsibility for enforcing them. Quite understandably. They'd had no say in the law and their staff had no way of assessing whether someone was exempt.

There's no reason to think those in charge of the day to day running of public spaces like transport would be willing to find the resources to try and enforce any mask laws. So I'd expect them to amount to pissing in the wind. It really does seem like another policy suggestion that would cost money better spent on proper sick pay and better ventilation.

HateLongCovid · 28/08/2023 21:07

@MumblesParty - I agree.
I don’t think many people will be prepared to damage the lives of kids because of an illness that doesn’t affect kids. Both my kids were harmed far more by school closures and lockdowns than by having Covid infection, and I expect most parents would say the same.

It did affect some kids actually! Very sweeping statement.

Palmasailor · 28/08/2023 21:10

PinkCherryBlossoms · 28/08/2023 20:16

Odds are the Tories will still be in power in November 2024, as governments who know they're toast usually try and drag their term out to the bitter end. Can you actually imagine Sunak, or whichever Johnson apologist has replaced him by then, trying to tell the public to observe restrictions again?!

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Life is so absurd I’ve totally given up trying to rationalise any sanity from anyth8ng that’s happening.

HateLongCovid · 28/08/2023 21:14

Youthinkyoureuniqueyourejustastatistic · 28/08/2023 17:40

We are still in the pandemic.

There will be another pandemic very soon.

It may or may not be a coronavirus pandemic.

Covid is not over.

Covid is not a cold or the flu and is not seasonal. There have not be low case numbers since 2021.

Protecting the vulnerable by locking them at home doesn’t actually protect them because by definition they are the people most likely to require outside care or healthcare and hospital visits - and unless the staff in those positions and the other patients are themselves “safe” - then vulnerable people are still at risk. I can’t believe people still don’t understand this. There are people still shielding.

The best way to prevent transmission is to improve public health and thing like ventilation in public buildings and spaces - and to isolate the sick.

We’re all screwed because people are stupid.

👏👏👏👏👏👏. Beautifully put. I'm afraid many people can be very ignorant! If it doesn't affect them they can't see it!

BygoneDays · 28/08/2023 21:17

Strange question. Yes, of course there will be another pandemic. Maybe next year, maybe not in our lifetimes.
The response to it will depend on the nature of the disease. If it is infectious when asymptomatic then isolation of vulnerable members of society would be an appropriate response. That may be a lockdown, but more likely voluntarily isolation. If the pandemic pathogen is particularly lethal to young children what would your response be, just out of interest?

HateLongCovid · 28/08/2023 21:17

Marmunia10667 · 28/08/2023 17:57

Remember, Covid was supposed to result in deaths of Biblical proportions. Myself and the rest of the family are unvaccinated, have flown, been in airports, restaurants, overseas, gave two fingers to the lockdown etc, and are perfectly fine!

Don't panic.

Oh as long as you're alright that's ok then!

Youthinkyoureuniqueyourejustastatistic · 28/08/2023 21:18

Whatswhatwhichiswhich · 28/08/2023 17:47

@Youthinkyoureuniqueyourejustastatistic do you know nothing about Covid? Kids were typically very safe from the virus. Also, there is multiple vaccines from it which are still in place today, the uptake on them is minuscule exactly because Covid is barely a threat anymore.

Hahahahahhaha.

The kids thing was a lie - to get people to be ok with sending their kids back to school so they could go back to work. Kids are effected - not as much as adults.
There is a long covid kids charity - there are hinders of thousands of kids with long covid in the U.K.

There has been no vaccine available for under 50s since 2021.
There will be no covid vaccine available for children until they are 65 under current guidelines.

Youthinkyoureuniqueyourejustastatistic · 28/08/2023 21:20

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Look upon them as the control group for the challenge trial you were entered into without consent 🤷🏼‍♀️

LlynTegid · 28/08/2023 21:21

Pandemics don't go round giving notice. So we don't know but I think they are unlikely.

Mr Sunak was the main member of Mr Johnson's inner circle arguing against pandemic restrictions which along with the Downing Street behaviour makes anything other than maybe in health care settings very unlikely.

Grapewrath · 28/08/2023 21:30

Who knows op
Covid might mutate again or another illness but my advice is to live your life, switch off the media and social networking and look after your physical and mental health. Being well and rested is the best defence against illness imo.

Mum1976Mum · 28/08/2023 21:36

Lookingforwardtoautumnnow · 28/08/2023 17:19

@MigGirl How do you know? Surely people won’t comply with lockdowns, can’t go through all that again…

Trust me! If some diseases became a pandemic then people would be locking themselves down! Look up Nipah Virus (75% mortality rate), Bird Flu (60% mortality rate), Hendra Virus (57% mortality rate) and various amoebas with a 95% -100% mortality rate. That's every family in the world losing a few members. Would you send your child to school then?

Everyone was petrified at the start of Covid when we didn't really know the death rate so lockdown was pretty happily tolerated. People only got cocky and selfish as the death rate was realised and discovered that it was mainly old people. Would people have been so cocky if it had been children who were the most affected? No!

Ignore all the cocky people on here saying they wouldn't lock down - when it was either that or a 95% chance of death from bleeding from every orifice or watching their child die whilst choking on their own blood, I know which one they would choose.

dreamingbohemian · 28/08/2023 21:46

ShadyCat · 28/08/2023 20:43

@dreamingbohemian but that's been the same forever really. Some employers will cover it, mine does but I don't pay anyway
Even with my employer paying it, uptake is really really low. NHS cover flu jabs too I'm pretty sure

19th June was my last covid vaccine and I've had 7 so far

I know uptake is usually low, that's why a smart government would make flu shots free and have a giant campaign encouraging them, because now we have flu and covid too. That can easily overwhelm the current NHS.

I don't know anyone who's had 7 jabs! That's great.