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bumgripes · 2023-08-28T09:07:07+00:00

It is, right? I mean, the ingredients list certainly is. And it’s listed on the BBC website as an UPF. Going to be interested to see if this influences the BF/FF debate now that it looks like awareness of UPF is about to skyrocket. Does it even matter when they’re only on it for about a year? Does that fact that it’s an UPF actually add any info to the pre-existing evidence on BF/FF?

Jamtartforme · 29/08/2023 20:49

Cowlover89 · 29/08/2023 20:44

When they have cmpa you have to give them a different formula tho.

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Yes. But had I mix fed from the beginning I think he would’ve been less likely to have developed CMPA to start with. This is my personal belief. 90% of the babies and children I know with eczema or allergies are or were breastfed. The formula fed kids actually seem healthier. You can throw what statistics you like at me, this is the evidence of my eyes and ears.

RosieS22 · 29/08/2023 21:06

@Jamtartforme sure, some babies will develop allergies upon repeat exposure, either directly when older or through BM. But they can also be born with allergies from my personal experience. Allergies have different severities, IGE/NonIGE.

Scottishskifun · 30/08/2023 05:55

Jamtartforme · 29/08/2023 20:21

I disagree. I don’t think babies are born with allergies, they develop them. It’s anecdata, but most of the babies I know with allergies/eczema/reactive type things are breastfed.

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1 in 4 people have allergies the bf rates are not that high to be linked to bf it's an immune response.

Everyone knows a cmpa baby majority I know are ff with 2 out of 8 being bf it doesn't mean its caused by the feeding method.

AnIndianWoman · 30/08/2023 07:54

Jamtartforme · 29/08/2023 20:49

Yes. But had I mix fed from the beginning I think he would’ve been less likely to have developed CMPA to start with. This is my personal belief. 90% of the babies and children I know with eczema or allergies are or were breastfed. The formula fed kids actually seem healthier. You can throw what statistics you like at me, this is the evidence of my eyes and ears.

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This is the type of ignorant nonsense that scares breastfeeding mums who aren’t able to do their own research. The scientific fact is that breastfed babies are least likely to have any kind of allergies and pediatricians advise families with a history severe allergies (like mine) to breastfeed - DS is the first person in my family to be breastfed and the first one who doesn’t have an anaphalactic allergy.

Parker231 · 30/08/2023 08:11

AnIndianWoman · 30/08/2023 07:54

This is the type of ignorant nonsense that scares breastfeeding mums who aren’t able to do their own research. The scientific fact is that breastfed babies are least likely to have any kind of allergies and pediatricians advise families with a history severe allergies (like mine) to breastfeed - DS is the first person in my family to be breastfed and the first one who doesn’t have an anaphalactic allergy.

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It’s not nonsense when people relate it to their own family - which is all that matters to us as individuals.

DC’s - formula fed - no allergies but their cousins - bf all have a mixture of allergies.

Your comment wouldn’t have been a reason to persuade me to bf.

Twizbe · 30/08/2023 08:32

Sorry to disappoint but my CMPA son was mixed fed and my non allergy suffer baby was EBF.

My experience is that formula made my son projectile vomit and didn’t help with weight issues as it made him just throw up all the food.

Parker231 · 30/08/2023 08:43

Twizbe · 30/08/2023 08:32

Sorry to disappoint but my CMPA son was mixed fed and my non allergy suffer baby was EBF.

My experience is that formula made my son projectile vomit and didn’t help with weight issues as it made him just throw up all the food.

Exactly - we all have our own anecdotal evidence.

Cowlover89 · 30/08/2023 08:49

Jamtartforme · 29/08/2023 20:49

Yes. But had I mix fed from the beginning I think he would’ve been less likely to have developed CMPA to start with. This is my personal belief. 90% of the babies and children I know with eczema or allergies are or were breastfed. The formula fed kids actually seem healthier. You can throw what statistics you like at me, this is the evidence of my eyes and ears.

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That's just nonsense. Sorry. Your baby would of still had it. CMPA is in more ff babies.

Cowlover89 · 30/08/2023 08:53

Jamtartforme · 29/08/2023 20:49

Yes. But had I mix fed from the beginning I think he would’ve been less likely to have developed CMPA to start with. This is my personal belief. 90% of the babies and children I know with eczema or allergies are or were breastfed. The formula fed kids actually seem healthier. You can throw what statistics you like at me, this is the evidence of my eyes and ears.

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If we're going to do this. The amazing thing with breastfeeding. I got really poorly with gastroenteritis. Literally had to feed my son on the loo it was that bad. He never caught it. He's only been poorly 4 times and recovered fast. He's nearly 17 months. Yes it'll change when he goes to nursery. But my point it. Every baby is different. Some breastfed will get poorly more like some ff will get poorly more and its not always down to how they've been fed. Its down to the baby.

Twizbe · 30/08/2023 09:00

@Parker231 my anecdotal evidence disproved @Jamtartforme ’s anecdotal evidence.

There’s no point presenting such ‘evidence’ as fact.

ErrolTheDragon · 30/08/2023 09:22

90% of the babies and children I know with eczema or allergies are or were breastfed. The formula fed kids actually seem healthier.

If FF is commoner than BF and one of the main publicised benefits of BF is reduction in allergies, then it may well be that the BF cohort contains a self-selected greater proportion of babies with a family history of allergies than the FF cohort. My DHs allergies were certainly one factor which encouraged me to persist BF despite initial low supply due to PCOS.

ZoeCM · 30/08/2023 14:03

Schools really need to start drumming it into children that anecdotes are not data. I'm amazed by the number of adults who don't understand the difference.

Jamtartforme · 30/08/2023 14:21

Cowlover89 · 30/08/2023 08:53

If we're going to do this. The amazing thing with breastfeeding. I got really poorly with gastroenteritis. Literally had to feed my son on the loo it was that bad. He never caught it. He's only been poorly 4 times and recovered fast. He's nearly 17 months. Yes it'll change when he goes to nursery. But my point it. Every baby is different. Some breastfed will get poorly more like some ff will get poorly more and its not always down to how they've been fed. Its down to the baby.

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If he was a baby and you caught it through food then he wouldn’t have caught it would he? Not unless he ate the same dodgy curry or whatever you did.

Cowlover89 · 30/08/2023 14:34

Jamtartforme · 30/08/2023 14:21

If he was a baby and you caught it through food then he wouldn’t have caught it would he? Not unless he ate the same dodgy curry or whatever you did.

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It's not something that's caught through food. Antibodies stopped him getting it.

carouselthoughts · 30/08/2023 14:42

@Cowlover89 same!

Also found that my children have never had a course of antibiotics in their life. My eldest is 5, my youngest is 2.4. Where as their formula fed cousins have had antibiotics 6 times before they even turned 9 months.

My eldest only first got a cold when she started nursery at 3.5

I do believe breastfeeding has contributed to that!

GreyGrid · 30/08/2023 14:48

ZoeCM · 30/08/2023 14:03

Schools really need to start drumming it into children that anecdotes are not data. I'm amazed by the number of adults who don't understand the difference.

It's painful, isn't it.

inloveandmarried · 30/08/2023 14:55

In the case of trying to replicate breast milk of course it will look ultra processed.

Look at all the fats, carbohydrates, vitamins minerals and proteins it needs to contain. It has to be a complete food.

There's no way this could ever be achieved with a few simple ingredients as it's not a simple food.

In this case it is ultra processed and couldn't deliver the nutrition needed without being just that.

Perfectly acceptable.

Cowlover89 · 30/08/2023 14:56

Yes bacterial can be caught by food water etc. Viral isn't. But I know it wasn't caused by food. And it is contagious. He very well could of easily caught it but didn't. He was constantly on the boob.

Parker231 · 30/08/2023 15:19

carouselthoughts · 30/08/2023 14:42

@Cowlover89 same!

Also found that my children have never had a course of antibiotics in their life. My eldest is 5, my youngest is 2.4. Where as their formula fed cousins have had antibiotics 6 times before they even turned 9 months.

My eldest only first got a cold when she started nursery at 3.5

I do believe breastfeeding has contributed to that!

My formula fed DC’s are in their early 20’s - neither have had any antibiotics. Only one hospital treatment between them - DS broken leg.

Both started full time nursery at six months old but no calls to collect them as they were unwell.

Cowlover89 · 30/08/2023 15:48

carouselthoughts · 30/08/2023 14:42

@Cowlover89 same!

Also found that my children have never had a course of antibiotics in their life. My eldest is 5, my youngest is 2.4. Where as their formula fed cousins have had antibiotics 6 times before they even turned 9 months.

My eldest only first got a cold when she started nursery at 3.5

I do believe breastfeeding has contributed to that!

It definitely has! My sons only been poorly like 4 times and recovered quickly. I just gave him extra boob. You wouldn't of suspected he was poorly. Was still his happy content self.

ItstimeToMoveagain · 30/08/2023 15:48

Some children just seem more prone to sickness, my younger 2 are never really ill

Although I've never felt so ill as the time I had a stomach bug and was bf the 4 month old and trying to look after a just turned 2 year old and couldn't even keep down water . None of the dc caught it though

I can't remember with the older 2 because they are adults but my 12 and 10 year old have only had Antibiotics once each, the 12 year old as a newborn in nicu and the 10 year old when he was about 18 months old for an ear infection, 1 bf the other ff

Dasisr · 30/08/2023 15:56

Gosh can we stop all this nonsense over sickness! One persons formula fed child hasn’t been sick. One persons breastfed child hasn’t been sick and they insist it’s due to breastfeeding.

well how do you explain formula fed children also not getting sick if they weren’t breastfed and breastfeeding stops sicknesses?

Here’s a clue - children differ in their levels of sickness regardless of how they are fed.

GreyGrid · 30/08/2023 16:00

Yeah well, my FF one year old has just been given a place at Harvard College, Yale. He's predicted to ace every semester and get an A. So there!

Cowlover89 · 30/08/2023 16:05

Just having a debate. Calm down 😅

Dasisr · 30/08/2023 16:08

Cowlover89 · 30/08/2023 16:05

Just having a debate. Calm down 😅

Insisting your baby didn’t get gastroenteritis because you were breastfeeding on the toilet is not debating. It’s spouting random nonsense that is not even remotely backed up by science or research. I may as well say my 1 year old didn’t catch covid from me despite being a close contact because on that day she wore yellow socks.