To have no time for ‘anti-human’ people?

[Myfavouritepenguin]

I’ve seen it quite a lot recently- mostly on here rather than in real life admittedly. I’m referring to both the ‘I don’t like children people; I much prefer animals’ contingent as well as the ‘wouldn’t it be better if humans just died out’ approach.

I’ve been trying to pinpoint what it is that irks me, and I think it’s that this attitude seems like a slightly different version of “I’m not like other girls.” - an attempt to separate and elevate and basically look down on everyone else in your category.

The thing is, we are all human. Unless you are literally living off grid with wolves or whatever, you have not opted out of humanity. Whatever makes a human, that is what you are, and you are to some degree or other not only invested in but contributing to the whole operation, children and climate change included.

The answer to humanity’s ills and issues is not to reject everyone else who somehow isn’t as special and above humanity as these people seem to imagine they are!

That's exactly my point. Liking kids, not liking them etc - it's personal preference. Viewing it through the scope of "must be trying to be cool, or edgy, or not like other girls" is so reductive.

Of course there is a biological drive to raise young, otherwise the mother would just abandon their young after birth, but instead the mother (and sometimes the father) are driven to try and ensure their survival to adulthood.

That comes later, at the birth. But the original drive is to mate. Animals obviously don't link the act with subsequent events.

I think the term "childfree" is borderline offensive. And I don't find much language offensive.

You might want to take that up with MN on site stuff then given that there's a section of the board specifically called that.

BIL was always like this... humanity should die out, we're overpopulated, having kids is selfish, people are a plague etc...

Guess who now he has suddenly turned 40 decide to pop out a mini-me due any time now?

I LOATHE it, its so cringey, it falls in that spoilt child attitude. I have literally heard fully grown adults moan that 'they didn't ask to be born' like a petulant young teen.

Like I don't actually think anyone should be killing themselves but if they TRUELY believed what they said instead of saying it to be 'I'm so cool' then wouldn't they not want to be part of the problem?

Saying you hate all humans, we should all die off and you never wanted to be born but then sitting their taking up your place on earth with no desire to give up 'your' place... it's an insufferable yet eye rollingly hilarious irony.

Just stop moaning people.

Then Im not sure why you replied to me on my first post? Looks like we agree 😄

As a mother sometimes I like my dog more than my kids! At least my dog doesn’t witter at me about computers or wars.

(before I get crucified I obviously love my kids I just don’t want to hear about ds’s custom content or the different types of tanks.)

You can’t possibly know for a fact that no other animal species connects sex and pregnancy. Typical human arrogance. 😉

I’m more interested in the pp who mentioned the need to take an objective stance in order to understand where people are coming from when they reject the human race.

Yes, humanity is a blight on the planet, without a doubt. But I still think the ‘it’s best if humans just die out’ stance in disingenuous. I think you can only be objective about it because of timescale. That’s all. I mean, if the planet was literally going to become inhospitable to us in the next 20 years, I don’t think those same people would be quite so ‘objective’ about it, shrugging and saying ‘it’s for the best’. They’re saying that in the abstract, for some future generation. They’re not actually being honest about how much investment they have here and now in themselves, as humans, and the humans around them. I find it posturing and supercilious and - to be blunt - dishonest.

I realised after I posted you were responding to a post I made, but the OP had replied to and it was their reply you were referring to 😂so my message popped up at the too of your response.

We're definitely in agreement!

You can’t possibly know for a fact that no other animal species connects sex and pregnancy. Typical human arrogance

That's true actually. Possibly some of the brighter ones have figured it out.

Not in a day to say sense, nobody expects you to jack in your vets insurance and redirect the money to a children’s charity. But people who would rescue their cat from a fire rather than a random child, I do not understand that at all.

I think you just need to accept that we don’t all think the same. I can objectively accept that we’re the worst creation nature ever came up with, in terms of our impact on the planet and other species, and I KNOW that the planet would be better off without us. But if I knew we were all going to die tomorrow, of course I wouldn’t want to on a personal level.

Can you really not understand how you can hold two views like that, both the natural instinct of self preservation, and acknowledge the objective bigger truth?

@Naunet

Not all women have to adore children and it’s misogynistic to suggest they should. Is it ok for men not to like children, or are they trying to ‘be better’ than other men?

I didn’t say anything about the sex of the people who don’t like kids 😕

Honestly, I really regret using the ‘not like other girls’ trope as an analogy. It was not linked to the not liking children bit!

The not liking children seems to have really riled some people.

To clarify, I’m not talking about people having or not having children; people with children also spout this nonsense! Im talking about the attitude that lies behind rejecting humanity wholesale.

I don't really think its the same at all.

I adore my children, I went through infertility hell and IVF to have them. They where my lifes mission that I would die for in a heartbeat... but not a huge fan of most other kids though.

I mean its not like I'm going to be friends with them, what am I going to have in common with a 5 year old? They are like hyperactive, space invady, little gossipy co-workers with terrible hygiene and bad social manners.

I'm perfectly happy all those 5 year olds exist though, I just dont want to host them in my house, have them rub their sticky snotty face on me as the clamber up or sit and talk to them about firetrucks on repeat for an hour.

I have also never in my life watched sex in the city.

Can you really not understand how you can hold two views like that, both the natural instinct of self preservation, and acknowledge the objective bigger truth?

Well, I think people should think through their ideas fully tbh. And yes, of course it’s possible to acknowledge both those things - but to express the latter by huffing and puffing about how much you dislike all people is… childish.

As someone who believes the opposite of you as I FAR prefer animals to people and in fact I don't fully trust any human being (including my own family), I say fair enough. You're just as entitled to your opinion as I am to mine.

It is strange but it take some of the wind out of the climate anxiety bubble and whirlpool that we can get sucked into.

I think people that insist on telling us they don’t like children are a bit attention seeking and trying to shock quite often. Do they think all children are the same? 🤷🏻‍♀️

But ultimately, if they choose to say these things I just 🙄. Imagine saying I don’t like anyone above 50 or anyone in the 25-40 age group. 🤣

Some people aren’t likeable to us, but to dismiss a whole group of people, under 18s or is it more under 12s seems a strange thing to do.

I say that as someone that really does love animals and doesn’t think humans are more important than animals. I’m also quite disillusioned about humans in general and the behaviours shown by many. We’re still better to take people as individuals though and there’s some lovely people in the world.

Are men who don't like kids "not like other boys" or is it just women who are trying to set themselves apart if they don't like kids? Because, you know, we are supposed to be so nurturing and maternal.

And why are we calling grown women girls again?

@JusthereforXmas I completely agree with you re children, I love my own children and my nieces to bits however I really struggle with non relatives children. I think it’s because children can be quite unpredictable and if I don’t know them it can be quite stressful.

I was referring to this universal rejection of humanity,

There are 8 billion people in the world, all of us didn’t ask to be born. A lot of people are horrible humans, a lot have had horrendous things done to them and a lot just don’t enjoy life for whatever reason. So yes it’s understandable why some would reject other people. I’m more shocked at the number in your life that rejects humanity. It must be a hell of a lot of people considering you started a thread about it!!

Or is it school holidays and you took your precious bubba to a restaurant, who then ran around making a nuisance causing the adult diners to shake their, tut in disapproval and declare they hate children & people in general?

@SuperBurgers todays mood. Same here same here.
mis it just certain moods that set people off ?

some days I love humanity others I wish an asteroid would obliterate the earth.

Ye gods!!

I referred to ‘people’ who say they don’t like children. ‘People’, not women.

I used the ‘not like other girls’ trope to illustrate a point. The fact that the ‘not like other girls’ is misogynistic is both true irrelevant here.

Seriously, I’m happy to have a debate but I wish people would read the actual posts. I’ve already clarified several times.

Did you really think I was saying ‘women who don’t like children are claiming to be not like other girls’?? That’s what you got from my OP?

It’s not an ‘idea’, it’s a blatant fact. Fair enough though, I’m not someone who huffs and puffs about hating everyone so I can’t comment on that.

@shallowmal

I’m more shocked at the number in your life that rejects humanity. It must be a hell of a lot of people considering you started a thread about it!!

Read my OP. I said I’d come across these attitudes online. Nice try though!

Or is it school holidays and you took your precious bubba to a restaurant, who then ran around making a nuisance causing the adult diners to shake their, tut in disapproval and declare they hate children & people in general?

Who said I have kids? I don’t think you understand the gist of this thread.