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AIBU to marry for some financial security for me and the children?

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foolsgolddigger · 18/08/2023 10:44

Long-time user but with a new account, as the matter is a bit sensitive.

I am a nearly-40 single mother of two young children, with no maintenance from their father (long story, he is reasonably well off, but it is cleverly arranged so the official maintenance is nil). He left when the children were toddler / newborn age.

I have a good, but quite stressful and long-hours career, and a reasonable income. The income does not stretch far in London though (rent north of £2K, childcare north of £1K + everything else on top), and my job does not exist outside London. I don't get any help from the government for anything apart from the 25% single person council tax discount, before everyone jumps on. I am solvent and not in debt, but that's about it. Some months end in the "red" - a school trip or unexpected dental expense usually have to go on credit. I didn't have a holiday (not an exotic holiday, but even a break from work) for 8 years. No pension or savings.

Recently I got closer with a guy I dated in my early 20s (he is a few years older than me, mid-40s). For him, I am (as strange as it sounds for me) "the one who got away", and he apparently carried very strong romantic feelings for me through the years. He has never been married or in a long-term relationship, and never moved out of his parental home. We stayed friends, but more of a "text once a month" friends - not surprisingly, as we are in different countries (he lives back in our home country, and I moved to the UK). I have very warm and friendly feelings for him, somewhat nostalgic, but that's it. He's a great guy and a good friend, but there is absolutely zero romantic or sexual attraction from my side.

He proposed to me last week and I asked for some time to think. And - I am very ashamed to admit - one of the main factors on the "pros" side was to have a second income in the house. I have never been materialistic (quite opposite - very bookish, nerdy and idealistic), so it took me by surprise, and I started feeling a bit disgusted about myself. He is not wealthy, but has a good freelance income (tech sector), roughly at the same level as me. It would be a massive change to our quality of life though, and will open some opportunities to my children that I am currently not able to cover. For clarity, I do not mean him paying for my children, but even just sharing normal living expenses of a couple would make such a difference - and I could start contributing to my own pension and saving.

I am not attractive at all and has never been asked out in my life or visible to men, so it is not a "plenty of fish in the sea" scenario. It is very unusual for me to feel loved and adored to this level, and I feel really bad that I cannot offer the same intensity of feelings in return. If I could electrocute my brain and fall in love with him, I'd do it immediately without a second thought. I think he is aware - he told me he loved me multiple times, but I did not say it back.

Do you think it could work if I "settle"? "Settle" is probably not the right word here, as I am not really looking for other options now, and my realistic expectation prior to reconnecting with him was that I would be single for life.

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foolsgolddigger · 18/08/2023 13:08

Lotsofthings · 18/08/2023 13:05

I think the test of your feelings would be the answer to the question.
How would you feel if he stopped waiting for you and settled with someone else?
Would you be upset that you missed the chance to settle down with him or relieved that the pressure had gone.

Weirdly, I will feel both, probably with a similar intensity.

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billy1966 · 18/08/2023 13:08

OP,

He has no experience of the day to day grind of raising children.

This is not a good idea in any shape or form.

I can understand that single parenting is very hard, but this is not a solution.

Most people in their 40's witjout children find having their own furst child a real shock, not to mind taking onnthe children of others.

Don't do it.
You would bitterly regret it.
Stop having sex with someone who does nothing for you sexually, it must soul crushing.

GorillaInBikini · 18/08/2023 13:08

I would do it. I am happily married and in love but life is not a fairytale and yes it is nice to be adored and not worry about bills.

foolsgolddigger · 18/08/2023 13:10

ChrisPPancake · 18/08/2023 13:07

In that case I'd be wary of him resenting you for 'holding him back', or expectations that you'd automatically agree to uproot yourself/your kids and follow him wherever.

No, we discussed that aspect already. He knows I am tied to the UK for at least a decade more.

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foolsgolddigger · 18/08/2023 13:12

Gladitscloudytoday · 18/08/2023 13:04

Is the plan to rent a larger house to accommodate this man when you marry? That would obviously increase your living expenses especially if he quite reasonably doesn’t expect to pay for children’s expenses

Yes, eventually move to somewhere more spacious when / if we decide to move in together.

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BIossomtoes · 18/08/2023 13:12

He has no experience of the day to day grind of raising children.

There are plenty of men with that experience whose wives kick them out because they’re shit. Would one of those be better?

This thread’s like a debate between Jane Austen and Barbara Cartland - and I know which one I think would give the better advice!

babyproblems · 18/08/2023 13:12

Marriages are what you make them. They are all very different. Many many people underestimate how important it is to be friends.. sometimes when things are hard that basis is the glue that keeps the team together!!!! I think it’s not so much you are ‘marrying him for money’ but you are considering marrying someone who is a good friend but worried about a lack of passion. Keep thinking by all means but I wouldn’t rule it out nor would I beat myself down with the ‘am I only marrying for money’ line. Xx

Itsnotrightbutitsok · 18/08/2023 13:13

Being with a man for financial reasons is never a good idea, this is how so many women end up in shitty relationships.

This is the time where you’re meant to be obsessed with each other and it’ll only get worse.

There are lots of single men out there, have you tried dating before?
Attraction is important in a relationship.

The fact that he proposed before you’re even in a proper relationship is a massive red flag.

By all means start a proper relationship with him but do not rush into living together and definitely not rush into marriage.
If it’s not working out after 6 months then you haven’t lost anything.

I would be up front about your feelings (in a kind way) and admit that you may never want to move in together or marry and he can make his own choice about whether he moves closer to you or not.

CheetosCheerios · 18/08/2023 13:14

CalistoNoSolo · 18/08/2023 10:59

No. Absolutely, 100% not. This is a terrible idea. He has an idealised version of you in his head. He will want sex. He will guaranteed become unhappy and resentful when you don't reciprocate his desire and feelings and don't behave how his idealised version of you should behave. You are going to put your children in a vulnerable position and this also may negatively affect your own financial security. All in all it's a dreadful idea.

This.

Pinkdelight3 · 18/08/2023 13:15

This thread’s like a debate between Jane Austen and Barbara Cartland - and I know which one I think would give the better advice!

Because you think women should have sex with men they're not attracted to and do 100% of the domestic tasks? Sorry, but I don't think it's Mills and Boon territory to have basic self-respect and standards about a marrying a man.

Mummysgogetter · 18/08/2023 13:15

LetMeEnfoldYou · 18/08/2023 11:51

This is the equivalent of a single dad marrying a woman who loves him just so he has a housekeeper.

It's really wrong. Bringing a new 'dad' into your kids lives when it's incredibly likely to end badly...just no.

Why is it wrong? Where is the law book that states "people should only get met if x condition is met?" Is there a list someone should adhere to before marrying? And if so, who's made these rules? Who is an expert on relationships and do these experts even exist and if they do, how do you become one?

What is right for one person is not right for another. There are various factors that determine what is right for you in a relationship and they are not the opinions of others; they are based on what is most important and feels right for you. No-one can tell you "if you do x it will result in x". People can only advise based on their own experience but everyone is different.

A wise woman once told me about a work colleague who confided in her that her husband hits her and she was like "why on earth do you stay with him then?" and she replied "because I enjoy the lifestyle being with him provides" and do you know what, who are we to argue because it is her life!

To the OP, you need to work out what is most important to you in life and marriage and what is least important and let that guide your decision.

5128gap · 18/08/2023 13:16

catsnhats11 · 18/08/2023 12:51

Thanks for your reply, this thread (and many the responses) have been a genuine eye opener for me.

The crazy thing is that the OPs latest update states he has no significant wealth or assets, so I don't even get the point?!

Yes, and it wouldn't be for me personally. But I no longer have dependent children and while not wealthy, have simple aspirations and enough to afford to live as I please, so its an easy decision for me to prioritise independence.
I agree he's not bringing much wealth to the table, but possibly the OP feels a little extra is better than nothing.

foolsgolddigger · 18/08/2023 13:18

@Amethys

I’m concerned that you haven’t fallen in love with him. He adores you, is trying to financially rescue you, and you like him enough that you have stayed in touch for many years and that you’re having sex. Most women (unless he is hideous or stinks) would begin to fall in love a little in that situation, but you are listing pros and cons in a way that is surprisingly detached, emotionally. You say you don’t feel attractive, but clearly you have attracted someone so you must be. You mention that he isn’t Price Charming but surely you’re old and wise enough to know that no man is?

This is what puzzles me as well. I'd say I am sadly usually the opposite, I tend to fall in love and choose names for the future children with the slightest show of interest from the guy (it has been a very rare commodity in my life).

I think it is the first time ever when I get that much, freely given and non-rationed, attention and affection from a man in my life - I am much more used to a situation where I need to "earn" it. And why I don't feel anything back is a complete mystery to me. If there was a magic button I could press and bam - suddenly fall in love with him, I'd be hitting it with a bat already.

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cheezncrackers · 18/08/2023 13:18

Thing is @foolsgolddigger you're coming up with a long-term solution to a short-term problem. You say your DC will be grown and off on the next stage of life in 10 years, right? Marriage isn't just for 10 years. You'll be stuck with this loveless marriage until either you separate or one of you dies. And yes, you're friends, but you've never lived together and I'm worried that someone who's lived with his DM his whole life is going to expect you to look after him like I'm sure she has. Do you really want to be shackled to this guy for the rest of your life? A guy you like, are desperately trying to force yourself to love (that won't work btw), but who you don't even want to initiate sex with now, when you're still boyfriend and girlfriend. Forever is a long time and I bet your kids, if you asked them, would rather be poorer with just you, than have a bit more money but have some strange guy living in the house. Because to them, this guy is just 'some strange guy' - they don't know him at all.

YouJustDoYou · 18/08/2023 13:18

My mum did this, several times over. She is a very attractive woman so would get "the cream of the crop" interested in her, and each time she married for "security/money" because she thought that was what we her children needed. She never really loved them. She married 4 times, it never ended well, because she didn't have feelings for them. She's currently married to man number 4 (again, wealthy man, who "rescued" her from her terrible financial situation), he's nice enough but they argue often.

It's very, very difficult having sex with someone you don't love, unless you can come to find something about them to love/arouse sexual feelings in you.

KimberleyClark · 18/08/2023 13:19

I think it can only work if you are both settling. Not if one of you has strong romantic feelings and the other doesn’t.

BIossomtoes · 18/08/2023 13:19

Pinkdelight3 · 18/08/2023 13:15

This thread’s like a debate between Jane Austen and Barbara Cartland - and I know which one I think would give the better advice!

Because you think women should have sex with men they're not attracted to and do 100% of the domestic tasks? Sorry, but I don't think it's Mills and Boon territory to have basic self-respect and standards about a marrying a man.

No. It’s a debate between the Disney fairy tale and pragmatic views of marriage.

SleepingStandingUp · 18/08/2023 13:20

foolsgolddigger · 18/08/2023 11:04

Not sexually attracted at all. He is a good looking guy, it is me who is probably very shallow in this case.

Sorry for being graphic but are you actually enjoying it, even if you're imagining he's someone else or are you letting him fuck you whilst you make fake noises so you can both pretend you like it?

Highdaysandholidays1 · 18/08/2023 13:22

I am so confused- he's not wealthy, or at least he doesn't have assets like a house or savings, so basically all you would be doing is splitting the rent/bills, he's not well-off so you can't be marrying for money/lifestyle.

Get a lodger, I'm not joking. you might fancy him more.

Is he an academic? If so, he won't be on a great wage in the UK and he won't waltz into a great permanent job unless he's higher up. I don't think he offers financial stability with short-term lecturing and no savings.

I mean if he's been living with mum, why hasn't he got savings, he's not paying rent, he can't spend £2-3k on electronics.

A husband you don't fancy, without a UK job (often people who come from other countries end up completely shafted in terms of being able to take another position equivalent to their home one, unless they are in a skills shortage area), moving to the UK to share rent/bills?

I can see what's in it for him, I haven't got to the bottom of what's in it for you.

GalileoHumpkins · 18/08/2023 13:23

foolsgolddigger · 18/08/2023 13:06

Whoa. Where does the "dipshit" come from? He's a decent guy, and I am really trying to force myself to love him (and I completely don't understand why I am not in love with him, if I am honest).
There are some things that are not ideal with him, of course, but who is perfect? I am definitely not myself.

FFS, you can't force yourself to love someone. Have a word with yourself.

Pinkdelight3 · 18/08/2023 13:24

BIossomtoes · 18/08/2023 13:19

No. It’s a debate between the Disney fairy tale and pragmatic views of marriage.

You can be as abstract as you like, but those facts still stand - are you saying it's okay for a woman to have sex with a guy they're not attracted to and to do 100% of the domestic work? Because that's what the OP has stated here and it's not an abstract debate. It's her life, and there are DCs in the mix. Are you seriously saying it's Disney fairytale to expect some sexual attraction and a man capable of some housework?? It's not pragmatic to choose to put up with endless drudgery and loveless sex.

Pinkdelight3 · 18/08/2023 13:26

And we're not talking about a marriage that's gone stale after decades. We're talking about this as the starting point.

foolsgolddigger · 18/08/2023 13:27

babyproblems · 18/08/2023 13:12

Marriages are what you make them. They are all very different. Many many people underestimate how important it is to be friends.. sometimes when things are hard that basis is the glue that keeps the team together!!!! I think it’s not so much you are ‘marrying him for money’ but you are considering marrying someone who is a good friend but worried about a lack of passion. Keep thinking by all means but I wouldn’t rule it out nor would I beat myself down with the ‘am I only marrying for money’ line. Xx

Well. It is not solely for money, of course (I hope that I managed to get a more balanced view of the situation across).
I tried to visualise our life together, realistically, both good and bad scenarios (and yes, illnesses, disabilities and such). And I was shocked to discover how much the financial aspect mattered to me, and wondered whether I just missed the moment when I turned into a bad person. A prostitute, as someone said on the thread.

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hidethexylophone · 18/08/2023 13:27

Have you considered that your children are young, hence paying upwards of £1k a month on childcare. Give it a couple of years when they are school age and your childcare costs would substantially reduce, giving you more financial flexibility without tying yourself to a man who you do not love. Marriage is tough enough at times, I can't imagine doing it without having love as a foundation stone.

SunWorshipping · 18/08/2023 13:27

Find a man you love and want to be with, who you want a relationship with, don't use this bloke. If his offer was to move in with you as your friend and share the utility bills then fine do that, but hes not asking to share rent! Imagine having sex with him and having to pretend you are enjoying it because he pays half the rent, ew.