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AIBU to marry for some financial security for me and the children?

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foolsgolddigger · 18/08/2023 10:44

Long-time user but with a new account, as the matter is a bit sensitive.

I am a nearly-40 single mother of two young children, with no maintenance from their father (long story, he is reasonably well off, but it is cleverly arranged so the official maintenance is nil). He left when the children were toddler / newborn age.

I have a good, but quite stressful and long-hours career, and a reasonable income. The income does not stretch far in London though (rent north of £2K, childcare north of £1K + everything else on top), and my job does not exist outside London. I don't get any help from the government for anything apart from the 25% single person council tax discount, before everyone jumps on. I am solvent and not in debt, but that's about it. Some months end in the "red" - a school trip or unexpected dental expense usually have to go on credit. I didn't have a holiday (not an exotic holiday, but even a break from work) for 8 years. No pension or savings.

Recently I got closer with a guy I dated in my early 20s (he is a few years older than me, mid-40s). For him, I am (as strange as it sounds for me) "the one who got away", and he apparently carried very strong romantic feelings for me through the years. He has never been married or in a long-term relationship, and never moved out of his parental home. We stayed friends, but more of a "text once a month" friends - not surprisingly, as we are in different countries (he lives back in our home country, and I moved to the UK). I have very warm and friendly feelings for him, somewhat nostalgic, but that's it. He's a great guy and a good friend, but there is absolutely zero romantic or sexual attraction from my side.

He proposed to me last week and I asked for some time to think. And - I am very ashamed to admit - one of the main factors on the "pros" side was to have a second income in the house. I have never been materialistic (quite opposite - very bookish, nerdy and idealistic), so it took me by surprise, and I started feeling a bit disgusted about myself. He is not wealthy, but has a good freelance income (tech sector), roughly at the same level as me. It would be a massive change to our quality of life though, and will open some opportunities to my children that I am currently not able to cover. For clarity, I do not mean him paying for my children, but even just sharing normal living expenses of a couple would make such a difference - and I could start contributing to my own pension and saving.

I am not attractive at all and has never been asked out in my life or visible to men, so it is not a "plenty of fish in the sea" scenario. It is very unusual for me to feel loved and adored to this level, and I feel really bad that I cannot offer the same intensity of feelings in return. If I could electrocute my brain and fall in love with him, I'd do it immediately without a second thought. I think he is aware - he told me he loved me multiple times, but I did not say it back.

Do you think it could work if I "settle"? "Settle" is probably not the right word here, as I am not really looking for other options now, and my realistic expectation prior to reconnecting with him was that I would be single for life.

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BIossomtoes · 18/08/2023 13:28

Maybe you should stop making up what I said and read what I actually said @Pinkdelight3.

foolsgolddigger · 18/08/2023 13:31

Several people asked, I will answer in one post. I tried dating (just before covid), registered on the dating app and went on something like between 15 to 20 first dates. Two men gave off really weird vibes (to the extent that I was worried for personal safety after), I asked the rest on a second date after not hearing from them for a day after the first, and the answer was no. Given that every date was like ~£40 in babysitting expenses only, I parked this project, and then covid hit.

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Pinkdelight3 · 18/08/2023 13:31

Um, I have read what you actually. Your position seems to be some marriages are shit anyway so go OP. If that's not the case, what are you actually saying?

foolsgolddigger · 18/08/2023 13:31

hidethexylophone · 18/08/2023 13:27

Have you considered that your children are young, hence paying upwards of £1k a month on childcare. Give it a couple of years when they are school age and your childcare costs would substantially reduce, giving you more financial flexibility without tying yourself to a man who you do not love. Marriage is tough enough at times, I can't imagine doing it without having love as a foundation stone.

They are school age, that's wraparound cost, and is likely to be here for several more years.

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Baconisdelicious · 18/08/2023 13:32

I’ve been single for 15 years with children and a non-contributing ex. I get where you are coming from. I think many marriages are based on less than perfect conditions and people make it work. But you have children to consider and they don’t know this man and more importantly, he doesn’t know them. I don’t see how you can accept a proposal until either they leave home or you have tested his ability to form a positive relationship with them.

And what happens if you do meet someone you have a passion for and genuinely want to have sex with?

foolsgolddigger · 18/08/2023 13:35

Highdaysandholidays1 · 18/08/2023 13:22

I am so confused- he's not wealthy, or at least he doesn't have assets like a house or savings, so basically all you would be doing is splitting the rent/bills, he's not well-off so you can't be marrying for money/lifestyle.

Get a lodger, I'm not joking. you might fancy him more.

Is he an academic? If so, he won't be on a great wage in the UK and he won't waltz into a great permanent job unless he's higher up. I don't think he offers financial stability with short-term lecturing and no savings.

I mean if he's been living with mum, why hasn't he got savings, he's not paying rent, he can't spend £2-3k on electronics.

A husband you don't fancy, without a UK job (often people who come from other countries end up completely shafted in terms of being able to take another position equivalent to their home one, unless they are in a skills shortage area), moving to the UK to share rent/bills?

I can see what's in it for him, I haven't got to the bottom of what's in it for you.

I can't have a lodger. I am renting myself, and the house is already too small for the three of us. There's no spare space for a lodger.

He's not a full-time academic but rather straddles between a research-intensive commercial discipline and academia. Think data science, cybersecurity, biotech - a specialism like this.

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LetMeEnfoldYou · 18/08/2023 13:36

Well as far as your posts describe him, he lives with his mum, earns well, does nothing around his house, spends his money on shit, and is now angling to marry someone he only knows at slightly more than acquaintance level.

So dipshit was me being kind.

Mummysgogetter · 18/08/2023 13:37

Baconisdelicious · 18/08/2023 13:32

I’ve been single for 15 years with children and a non-contributing ex. I get where you are coming from. I think many marriages are based on less than perfect conditions and people make it work. But you have children to consider and they don’t know this man and more importantly, he doesn’t know them. I don’t see how you can accept a proposal until either they leave home or you have tested his ability to form a positive relationship with them.

And what happens if you do meet someone you have a passion for and genuinely want to have sex with?

Then the OP just has a little personal fantasy/crush going on that gives her a spring in her step but carries on as normal. Even people that were passionately in love in the beginning do this.

Crumpleton · 18/08/2023 13:38

AnotherCountryMummy · 18/08/2023 11:46

If you do it, then you really should be honest with him about your motives.

Imagine how you'd feel if you found out that your husband married you for money and wasn't in love or even attracted to you.

I agree with this.

While you don't nessassarily want him to fund your DC's lives directly you do want him to help fund yours inorder for you to do so.

It's only fair that he should be told the truth that their own father contributes very little if anything towards the DC but will probably always have 50/50 say in their lives anyway. Unless courts have stated otherwise?
Once he knows all this then he can decide if he still wants to marry you.

BuddhaAtSea · 18/08/2023 13:39

Hmmmm…. I don’t think your maths do add up, @foolsgolddigger

Because living with a man does add to your workload, both physical and mental. And then there is the ‘you’re not my dad’ versus ‘you pay more attention to the kids than to me’, 24/7. The man is still living with his mother, ffs. You’d achieve that easier and cheaper if you moved and took a pay cut.

How about you don’t make any permanent changes, continue as you are, and see where it takes you once the kids have left home.

I know the drudgery of being a single mum only too well. I agreed for my DP to move in with me, many years ago and I had disposable income for the first time in my life. BUT. It wasn’t worth it. The catalyst in him moving out was his relationship with my DD, when it started showing signs it has the potential to adversely affect my relationship with my DD.

HTH

Doggymummar · 18/08/2023 13:42

I would in a heartbeat

foolsgolddigger · 18/08/2023 13:43

SleepingStandingUp · 18/08/2023 13:20

Sorry for being graphic but are you actually enjoying it, even if you're imagining he's someone else or are you letting him fuck you whilst you make fake noises so you can both pretend you like it?

It is more like exercise. Like in the gym, you planned to do 12 reps x 3 sets, so off you go. Not unpleasant, but there are no fireworks either. It doesn't last long, he needs like 10-15 seconds, I don't even have time to set up an alternative fantasy in my head, or anything.

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BIossomtoes · 18/08/2023 13:44

How about you don’t make any permanent changes, continue as you are, and see where it takes you once the kids have left home.

Put her life on hold for the best part of 20 years? Really?

GalileoHumpkins · 18/08/2023 13:44

foolsgolddigger · 18/08/2023 13:43

It is more like exercise. Like in the gym, you planned to do 12 reps x 3 sets, so off you go. Not unpleasant, but there are no fireworks either. It doesn't last long, he needs like 10-15 seconds, I don't even have time to set up an alternative fantasy in my head, or anything.

Are you making this up? It sounds horrendous.

dhilez · 18/08/2023 13:46

LetMeEnfoldYou · 18/08/2023 12:43

Jesus with every post it's clear he isn't even a catch 🙄

Seriously OP, raise your standards if not for yourself for your children who will be enforced to live with this dipshit.

Bitter man hater

StillWantingADog · 18/08/2023 13:48

foolsgolddigger · 18/08/2023 11:38

I am "into" him as a friend. I mean, we kept in touch through all this years, and from my side it was because I genuinely enjoyed his company as a person.
Spending every day with him for the rest of my life won't be a disaster.

Spending every day with him for the rest of my life won't be a disaster.
this is worrying. If you'd said "spending every day with him for the rest of my life would be lovely" - that would be far more positive!

foolsgolddigger · 18/08/2023 13:48

Crumpleton · 18/08/2023 13:38

I agree with this.

While you don't nessassarily want him to fund your DC's lives directly you do want him to help fund yours inorder for you to do so.

It's only fair that he should be told the truth that their own father contributes very little if anything towards the DC but will probably always have 50/50 say in their lives anyway. Unless courts have stated otherwise?
Once he knows all this then he can decide if he still wants to marry you.

He knows my financial situation with maintenance, and he was so far very generous in this respect - will not accept any contributions to any of his flight costs to see me, or any entertainment / eating out / trips when we are together.

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user1471538283 · 18/08/2023 13:49

Someone I know did exactly this. But she panicked being a single parent and got together quickly with someone she didn't really fancy or love. They got married to give her security. He then stopped working. She is now stuck with a workshy man and a sexless and loveless marriage.

I do get it OP. I often think that having a second income would have been such a relief and I'd be even more financially secure. And companionship is a good thing.

Would he contribute as he's used to his DM paying for things?

Thisisworsethananticpated · 18/08/2023 13:50

Once your kids start school things will really change financially

I really wouldn’t marry him op

unless you love him

LetMeEnfoldYou · 18/08/2023 13:50

Speaking of dipshits @dhilez you came along just in time with your pointless comment.

foolsgolddigger · 18/08/2023 13:52

GalileoHumpkins · 18/08/2023 13:44

Are you making this up? It sounds horrendous.

I am just answering honestly what it is. I am not extremely experienced either, and probably have never enjoyed sex with anyone to a pornstar shriek standard.

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SunWorshipping · 18/08/2023 13:53

foolsgolddigger · 18/08/2023 12:52

This is probably a dozen of posts about it now. No, he is definitely not after a long-term visa through marriage fraud. With his level of expertise he gets job offers with a complete relocation package very regularly from all over the world - if he wanted to move to the UK, he'd already be here. He goes to conferences and short-term guest lecturing gigs quite a lot, all over the world, but has never considered emigrating permanently.

The UK, to be honest, is not a top choice prospect for someone with world class skill set these days.

He's good looking and you are average (that's what you wrote), you are a divorcee with 2 children, he has a long distance relationship every couple of months with you, yet he's proposed and wants to come here to live with you? Sounds like he's after a passport to he honest. If he's so skilled and amazing and can live anywhere why doesn't he just move here and see how it goes dating but living apart, if it works invite him into your life. I mean I don't agree with you using him, but by the sounds of it he is using you too. I don't understand why he needs to be married all of a sudden when you aren't even in what I'd consider a relationship, it's more friends sleeping together every few months when he visits. It all seems a bit off.

foolsgolddigger · 18/08/2023 13:53

Thisisworsethananticpated · 18/08/2023 13:50

Once your kids start school things will really change financially

I really wouldn’t marry him op

unless you love him

They are at school already, sadly that's the cheapest childminder's cost around here for the wraparound care.

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donkra · 18/08/2023 13:54

That you're having sex with him despite having no sexual feelings for him really feels like... a kind of self-harm to me. That has the potential to turn very, very dark and nasty over the years.

Tiddlywinkly · 18/08/2023 13:54

I'd be really concerned about the day to day reality of stuff. He's mid 40s and lives with his mum. Does he do chores around the house? Cook? Has he thought about the reality of having kids around all the time and what are his expectations around care for them? I'd be expecting him to have a bucket load of savings/ investment property by his age if he'd always lived at home. Does he? If not, why not?

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