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AIBU to marry for some financial security for me and the children?

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foolsgolddigger · 18/08/2023 10:44

Long-time user but with a new account, as the matter is a bit sensitive.

I am a nearly-40 single mother of two young children, with no maintenance from their father (long story, he is reasonably well off, but it is cleverly arranged so the official maintenance is nil). He left when the children were toddler / newborn age.

I have a good, but quite stressful and long-hours career, and a reasonable income. The income does not stretch far in London though (rent north of £2K, childcare north of £1K + everything else on top), and my job does not exist outside London. I don't get any help from the government for anything apart from the 25% single person council tax discount, before everyone jumps on. I am solvent and not in debt, but that's about it. Some months end in the "red" - a school trip or unexpected dental expense usually have to go on credit. I didn't have a holiday (not an exotic holiday, but even a break from work) for 8 years. No pension or savings.

Recently I got closer with a guy I dated in my early 20s (he is a few years older than me, mid-40s). For him, I am (as strange as it sounds for me) "the one who got away", and he apparently carried very strong romantic feelings for me through the years. He has never been married or in a long-term relationship, and never moved out of his parental home. We stayed friends, but more of a "text once a month" friends - not surprisingly, as we are in different countries (he lives back in our home country, and I moved to the UK). I have very warm and friendly feelings for him, somewhat nostalgic, but that's it. He's a great guy and a good friend, but there is absolutely zero romantic or sexual attraction from my side.

He proposed to me last week and I asked for some time to think. And - I am very ashamed to admit - one of the main factors on the "pros" side was to have a second income in the house. I have never been materialistic (quite opposite - very bookish, nerdy and idealistic), so it took me by surprise, and I started feeling a bit disgusted about myself. He is not wealthy, but has a good freelance income (tech sector), roughly at the same level as me. It would be a massive change to our quality of life though, and will open some opportunities to my children that I am currently not able to cover. For clarity, I do not mean him paying for my children, but even just sharing normal living expenses of a couple would make such a difference - and I could start contributing to my own pension and saving.

I am not attractive at all and has never been asked out in my life or visible to men, so it is not a "plenty of fish in the sea" scenario. It is very unusual for me to feel loved and adored to this level, and I feel really bad that I cannot offer the same intensity of feelings in return. If I could electrocute my brain and fall in love with him, I'd do it immediately without a second thought. I think he is aware - he told me he loved me multiple times, but I did not say it back.

Do you think it could work if I "settle"? "Settle" is probably not the right word here, as I am not really looking for other options now, and my realistic expectation prior to reconnecting with him was that I would be single for life.

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foolsgolddigger · 18/08/2023 14:35

BadNomad · 18/08/2023 14:31

Have you discussed and agreed on what role he will play in your children's lives? Do you know what his approach to parenting is? How much of a say will he have on what is unacceptable behaviour? What are the expectations?

You're thinking about money, but if this man is going to be living with you you should really be thinking about if this man is compatible with your children and your way of parenting.

Not discussed explicitly, but I can make a very good guess based on his personality and attitude to life in general, and their very brief meetings.

I don't think he will intervene into my parenting in any way, neither do I think he has any ideas or standards. Will be more like an older fun friend, probably. In the dynamic between just us two, I think he prefers me to be in charge all the time, so, in some sense, I probably "parent" him as well.

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Distinguishedandmature · 18/08/2023 14:38

It seems that you both have a lot in common so wouldn't be bored in a marriage. I would go for it. You said no one shows any interest in you so unlikely you will find someone else.

foolsgolddigger · 18/08/2023 14:39

BruisedPear · 18/08/2023 14:35

I think some people are judging you harshly based on the cultural differences and the fact that they can’t fathom that he prefers living abroad rather than the UK and isn’t using you for a visa.

I would say try it. You never know you may grow to love him it’s pretty common with arranged and cultural marriages. I may also get flamed for this but I truly believe a man should love you more than you love him.

Also OP love yourself a bit more. I’m sure you’re a beautiful intelligent woman and you deserve love and a happy relationship. Try pour into your own cup and work on yourself. Whatever you decide good luck 💐

Growing to love him is what I secretly hope for. It is not an arranged marriage, but ignoring the cultural aspect, not too far from it - and indeed I know very successful cases amongst my friends.

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Autumnsoon · 18/08/2023 14:40

I think over the years resentment would set in
how would you feel having sex with him ,
what if u weren’t as enthusiastic as he wanted sex wise ,
what if u felt sick every time sex was expected with someone you don’t love
What if he wanted a child with you
what if it didn’t work out and your children had grown to love him ,or worse he didn’t love them .
what if he’s thinking your going to financially boost his income because he’s in loads of debt .
couples get through all kinds of issues when they love each other ,it’s so much harder when they don’t

Floogal · 18/08/2023 14:41

Tbh op you sound cold and calculating. That said he sounds really desperate himself, all those years and he hasn't moved on relationship wise and still lives parents. Either he's desperate for a romantic relationship or after British residency

Pinkdelight3 · 18/08/2023 14:42

I don't think he will intervene into my parenting in any way, neither do I think he has any ideas or standards. Will be more like an older fun friend, probably. In the dynamic between just us two, I think he prefers me to be in charge all the time, so, in some sense, I probably "parent" him as well.

That's all viable when you're not living together. Just doesn't seem realistic 24/7. No one can be the older fun friend when they're living with someone else's kids. Do you think they'll never get on each other's nerves? Fall out? Your optimism is laudable in some ways but really scary in others.

foolsgolddigger · 18/08/2023 14:43

Pinkdelight3 · 18/08/2023 14:42

I don't think he will intervene into my parenting in any way, neither do I think he has any ideas or standards. Will be more like an older fun friend, probably. In the dynamic between just us two, I think he prefers me to be in charge all the time, so, in some sense, I probably "parent" him as well.

That's all viable when you're not living together. Just doesn't seem realistic 24/7. No one can be the older fun friend when they're living with someone else's kids. Do you think they'll never get on each other's nerves? Fall out? Your optimism is laudable in some ways but really scary in others.

This will be a much bigger risk with literally any other guy whom I don't know that well and who might not think the sun shines out of my ass.
Or the alternative, of course, is to stay single until the children leave home.

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talknomore · 18/08/2023 14:45

How can you expect to grow to love him if you are going to parent him? This is bonkers!

Having read all your comments I feel that your expectations of relationships are very naive and in that way you are likely to fail.

Pinkdelight3 · 18/08/2023 14:49

I don't know, surely if someone has had some experience of raising DC, they'll be less of a risk. You're seeing him as some kind of blank slate who won't make much impact to your household other than you cleaning up after him like a maid, but he's a person with ups and downs who'll need to fit into the mix. Even having a pet can blow up a nice living arrangement, let alone a 40yo man with no domestic skills and a very unrealistic expectation of who you really are. But it sounds like you're going for it so I guess there's not much more to say. Except to second the PP who said to do more work on your own self-esteem because it feels like this is the real issue why you're responding to his dreams. Even the financial issues could be addressed without involving him so I think it's more to do with you needing this ego boost. The 'forcing' yourself to try to feel something for him says a lot and is very sad. I hope you get what you need one way or another.

BadNomad · 18/08/2023 14:50

foolsgolddigger · 18/08/2023 14:35

Not discussed explicitly, but I can make a very good guess based on his personality and attitude to life in general, and their very brief meetings.

I don't think he will intervene into my parenting in any way, neither do I think he has any ideas or standards. Will be more like an older fun friend, probably. In the dynamic between just us two, I think he prefers me to be in charge all the time, so, in some sense, I probably "parent" him as well.

You need to discuss this. You can't just assume. You've never lived with this man and this man has never lived with your children. Children massively change the dynamic of a relationship. Is he literally not going to do a single thing for them? No drop-offs or pick-ups. No minding them while you run errands. No childcare whatsoever. Not allowed to tell them off. Etc. That is incredibly unrealistic. And what about them? How would they feel about living with him?

foolsgolddigger · 18/08/2023 14:50

talknomore · 18/08/2023 14:45

How can you expect to grow to love him if you are going to parent him? This is bonkers!

Having read all your comments I feel that your expectations of relationships are very naive and in that way you are likely to fail.

I am indeed very inexperienced in relationships, so maybe wearing some rose tinted specs here. So here for the dose of reality.

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monsteramunch · 18/08/2023 14:51

I don't think a sensible, well adjusted, decent bloke proposes to a woman with kids having only met those kids a few times tbh.

It indicates he has no idea how important they are in your life or that they will always be your priority.

BadNomad · 18/08/2023 14:52

The fact that he has even proposed when he is so detached from your actual life just shows what a fantasist he is.

monsteramunch · 18/08/2023 14:54

You need to discuss this. You can't just assume. You've never lived with this man and this man has never lived with your children. Children massively change the dynamic of a relationship. Is he literally not going to do a single thing for them? No drop-offs or pick-ups. No minding them while you run errands. No childcare whatsoever. Not allowed to tell them off. Etc. That is incredibly unrealistic. And what about them? How would they feel about living with him?

Absolutely this.

Guessing / 'probably' etc isn't good enough when there are kids involved.

You need to be crystal clear about roles and responsibilities and as I said, the fact he's proposed without dating you long enough to know your kids properly is indicative that he has no clue how life with kids works.

I think it's irresponsible to accept a proposal that's almost exclusively based on hoping for the best rather than being based on taking the time to get to know someone properly at a sensible pace.

LifeExperience · 18/08/2023 14:56

If you honestly believe that you can make him happy while you remain content with him for life, then I don't think you are doing anything morally wrong. People throughout the ages have married for any number of reasons without giving a thought to romantic love, but again, please be absolutely certain that you are not setting him up for heartache in the future before marrying him. He deserves that dignity.

AnnieFarmer · 18/08/2023 14:59

No. This may make life easier financially now but there will be problems in the future if you aren’t attracted to him and have no chemistry.

neverbeenskiing · 18/08/2023 15:00

Growing to love him is what I secretly hope for.

Sorry but no, not going to happen. You've known him for 20 years and have developed zero romantic or sexual feelings for him during that time.

Currently the only time you spend together is childfree, and in short bursts. It's normally very easy to idealise someone and think you're in love when you're in a LDR, because you don't have time to get bored or discover each others flaws. But you've already identified that you feel you have to "parent" him, and the sex is rubbish.

If there's no passion, romance or love now when things between you are easy and low-stakes you're not going to fall for him when your relationship is being tested in real-world conditions, with the day to day grind of raising kids thrown into the mix.

Badbadbunny · 18/08/2023 15:05

AnnieFarmer · 18/08/2023 14:59

No. This may make life easier financially now but there will be problems in the future if you aren’t attracted to him and have no chemistry.

I'd think VERY few marriages have attraction/chemistry after a few decades!

Lack of realism and expecting the "spark" to last forever is probably why there are so many separations and divorces.

Sex etc is only one part of the equation and usually fades over time, and if a relationship was based mostly on sex, then it's unlikely to last the test of time.

I'd far rather have a partner who was my best friend, confidante, someone who I trusted and respected, to last decades, rather than someone who made my knees tremble for a few years and then once that excitement had subsided, left a vacuum of living with someone I didn't really have anything in common with.

stayathomer · 18/08/2023 15:05

The difference in the non Disney, fizzling out thing that most people encounter is that there are always moments where you are reminded why you started out in the first place, you get that nice little flutter, or you have amazing sex even though you're both wrecked and not totally in the mood. And yes, they may irritate you from time to time etc, but then, again, you have reminders of how many things you're on the same page about and remember all of the mind blowing fab moments you have, which leads to more. You said you wouldn't initiate sex ever, which, while it's brilliant you're so honest-does that not sounds depressing? Are you hoping he'll just never want sex again? I also think it's a bit strange he wants to enter into this-if I asked someone to marry me and they said' wait and let me think', I'd have to rethink

3pm · 18/08/2023 15:11

OP, you say you are 40. Is there any chance he may want you to have another child? (Sorry if this has already been asked).

My main concern here is that he is mid-40s and still living with his mother. He has had no experience of living / setting up home with a woman, by the sounds of it? By their mid-40s, many people who have always lived as 'single' can be quite stuck in their ways. They are not used to compromising in a cohabiting situation. On top of this, there are two young children involved here. Does he have any idea - really? I would worry that, he is totally unprepared for the reality of this and the fact that that your attention will not all be on him. You have your children, your job, your friends and a life here. He will essentially be slotting into your routine and could feel very sidelined by the fact your priority will always be your children. I think it's really important to gauge his understanding of reality - ie. you are not just 'the one who got away'. You have changed since back in the day and now you are a mum who now comes with a relationship history and a family 'package.' This will be the reality of his life. Can he truly grasp this reality?

Notamum12345577 · 18/08/2023 15:12

Thisisworsethananticpated · 18/08/2023 13:50

Once your kids start school things will really change financially

I really wouldn’t marry him op

unless you love him

OP says they are in school.

PollyAmour · 18/08/2023 15:13

What if you marry him and THEN meet The One?

BaroldandNedmund · 18/08/2023 15:13

I don’t think it sounds like a terrible idea as long as you go into it gradually (which it sounds like you’re doing). If you’re going to do this, this is a good time to do it because once you get to fifty and lose your libido and your oxytocin you’ll struggle to live with someone new.

It seems to me that a lot of women go off the idea of sex after a couple of years anyway. I imagine we’ve evolved to have children with different fathers to maximise the chances of having some of our children survive. You have shared interests and you like him and enjoy his company. Personally, I’d want to make sure that he has my children’s best interests at heart….there’s nothing more off-putting than a man who wants you all to themselves. Many childless men don’t understand this.

On the other hand, it could be a terrible idea!

LetMeEnfoldYou · 18/08/2023 15:21

I think the point about you thinking about him like a 'neutral' addition to your household is well made.

Every person changes a dynamic, and like it or not he will become someone your children look to, to somewhat parent them. You'll change because he's there. He'll change because he's there. Your kids will change their behaviours to fit the new climate.

He's not just a walking cheque book, he's a human with wants and moods and habits and demands.

CloudPop · 18/08/2023 15:21

@foolsgolddigger no advice, but it's clear you're thinking this through very carefully. I wish you well and hope you come to a good resolution