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AIBU to marry for some financial security for me and the children?

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foolsgolddigger · 18/08/2023 10:44

Long-time user but with a new account, as the matter is a bit sensitive.

I am a nearly-40 single mother of two young children, with no maintenance from their father (long story, he is reasonably well off, but it is cleverly arranged so the official maintenance is nil). He left when the children were toddler / newborn age.

I have a good, but quite stressful and long-hours career, and a reasonable income. The income does not stretch far in London though (rent north of £2K, childcare north of £1K + everything else on top), and my job does not exist outside London. I don't get any help from the government for anything apart from the 25% single person council tax discount, before everyone jumps on. I am solvent and not in debt, but that's about it. Some months end in the "red" - a school trip or unexpected dental expense usually have to go on credit. I didn't have a holiday (not an exotic holiday, but even a break from work) for 8 years. No pension or savings.

Recently I got closer with a guy I dated in my early 20s (he is a few years older than me, mid-40s). For him, I am (as strange as it sounds for me) "the one who got away", and he apparently carried very strong romantic feelings for me through the years. He has never been married or in a long-term relationship, and never moved out of his parental home. We stayed friends, but more of a "text once a month" friends - not surprisingly, as we are in different countries (he lives back in our home country, and I moved to the UK). I have very warm and friendly feelings for him, somewhat nostalgic, but that's it. He's a great guy and a good friend, but there is absolutely zero romantic or sexual attraction from my side.

He proposed to me last week and I asked for some time to think. And - I am very ashamed to admit - one of the main factors on the "pros" side was to have a second income in the house. I have never been materialistic (quite opposite - very bookish, nerdy and idealistic), so it took me by surprise, and I started feeling a bit disgusted about myself. He is not wealthy, but has a good freelance income (tech sector), roughly at the same level as me. It would be a massive change to our quality of life though, and will open some opportunities to my children that I am currently not able to cover. For clarity, I do not mean him paying for my children, but even just sharing normal living expenses of a couple would make such a difference - and I could start contributing to my own pension and saving.

I am not attractive at all and has never been asked out in my life or visible to men, so it is not a "plenty of fish in the sea" scenario. It is very unusual for me to feel loved and adored to this level, and I feel really bad that I cannot offer the same intensity of feelings in return. If I could electrocute my brain and fall in love with him, I'd do it immediately without a second thought. I think he is aware - he told me he loved me multiple times, but I did not say it back.

Do you think it could work if I "settle"? "Settle" is probably not the right word here, as I am not really looking for other options now, and my realistic expectation prior to reconnecting with him was that I would be single for life.

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Pinkdelight3 · 18/08/2023 13:54

Grim about your 10-second stints as a human fleshlight. Different if it's loving long-term DP with issues that mean he can't go on properly. But this is him at the outset. No wonder you trying to force yourself to fall in love isn't working.

Dillane · 18/08/2023 13:54

TheHolyGrailSpeaks · 18/08/2023 10:54

Can you bear to be intimate with him? If so, I would do it in those circs.

No one should have to ‘bear’ to be intimate with someone, what appalling advice.

SunWorshipping · 18/08/2023 13:55

foolsgolddigger · 18/08/2023 13:52

I am just answering honestly what it is. I am not extremely experienced either, and probably have never enjoyed sex with anyone to a pornstar shriek standard.

Doesn't sound like he gets as far as 12 reps, nevermind 3 sets 🤣🤣🤣

WtfHormones · 18/08/2023 13:56

As I said, I do not expect him to contribute to my children directly, but just sharing the normal couple-related financial burden would be amazing.

How would you expect to split the bills and mortgage? Have you spoke about this?

StopStartStop · 18/08/2023 13:56

OP, I'm sensing it would be a far better deal for him than for you. Watch your back, financially.

foolsgolddigger · 18/08/2023 13:58

SunWorshipping · 18/08/2023 13:53

He's good looking and you are average (that's what you wrote), you are a divorcee with 2 children, he has a long distance relationship every couple of months with you, yet he's proposed and wants to come here to live with you? Sounds like he's after a passport to he honest. If he's so skilled and amazing and can live anywhere why doesn't he just move here and see how it goes dating but living apart, if it works invite him into your life. I mean I don't agree with you using him, but by the sounds of it he is using you too. I don't understand why he needs to be married all of a sudden when you aren't even in what I'd consider a relationship, it's more friends sleeping together every few months when he visits. It all seems a bit off.

Eh... that's the plan (moving and living separately at first), I think I explained this several times. He doesn't need a marriage visa to move to the UK, and he won't be able to obtain a British passport through me as I am not a British citizen or on the route to British citizenship either.
He wants to see if I am invested enough into this relationship to accept a marriage proposal, given that it is a big life change for him. He knows me enough, I hope, to know I won't give a promise like that lightly. See, even started a thread on MN before answering.

I am not divorced, I haven't been married before. Probably well below average rather than average too. It also puzzles me as to what he sees in me, I don't think he'd be interested if not for all the previous history.

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Spinninggyro · 18/08/2023 14:02

No rush to marry but why not live close to each other and see what happens? Keep your finances separate and you clearly are taking your beloved children into account. you have lots in common and a long history of friendship.
I really hope it works out for you

foolsgolddigger · 18/08/2023 14:05

WtfHormones · 18/08/2023 13:56

As I said, I do not expect him to contribute to my children directly, but just sharing the normal couple-related financial burden would be amazing.

How would you expect to split the bills and mortgage? Have you spoke about this?

I don't have a mortgage, and I would not expect him to contribute towards it if I had one. We discussed it briefly - he was on a more extreme side of it in terms that he expects to contribute significantly more as he's the party with few other responsibilities and higher spare income. From my perspective, 50/50 for non-children related expenses is reasonable.

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Beezknees · 18/08/2023 14:05

YABU to consider marrying for those reasons. I am a lone parent on a £22k salary for context and I would never marry for an "easier" life.

foolsgolddigger · 18/08/2023 14:10

Beezknees · 18/08/2023 14:05

YABU to consider marrying for those reasons. I am a lone parent on a £22k salary for context and I would never marry for an "easier" life.

Just my rent is higher than £22K pa, so won't be realistic. But kudos, I don't know how people make it work. I am exhausted all the time, and it feels like, financially speaking, I am trying to sweep away snow in a blizzard.

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Maryjaneslastdance · 18/08/2023 14:11

So you're having sex with him even though you're not attracted to him. If you do move him in, do you realise how bad a example you will be setting to your dc?

SunWorshipping · 18/08/2023 14:12

foolsgolddigger · 18/08/2023 13:58

Eh... that's the plan (moving and living separately at first), I think I explained this several times. He doesn't need a marriage visa to move to the UK, and he won't be able to obtain a British passport through me as I am not a British citizen or on the route to British citizenship either.
He wants to see if I am invested enough into this relationship to accept a marriage proposal, given that it is a big life change for him. He knows me enough, I hope, to know I won't give a promise like that lightly. See, even started a thread on MN before answering.

I am not divorced, I haven't been married before. Probably well below average rather than average too. It also puzzles me as to what he sees in me, I don't think he'd be interested if not for all the previous history.

Hmm well it just seems odd. You say he works as a data scientist/in cyber security, I work in a similar field and it is full of neurodiverse people, I'm not personally but most of my colleagues are, could this be a factor here? He struggles to form relationships with the opposite sex, so he's clinging onto an old friendship with you thinking he could just marry you?

foolsgolddigger · 18/08/2023 14:13

Tiddlywinkly · 18/08/2023 13:54

I'd be really concerned about the day to day reality of stuff. He's mid 40s and lives with his mum. Does he do chores around the house? Cook? Has he thought about the reality of having kids around all the time and what are his expectations around care for them? I'd be expecting him to have a bucket load of savings/ investment property by his age if he'd always lived at home. Does he? If not, why not?

No, he doesn't have a bucket load of assets or property. He prefers to have free time and take extended breaks from projects, and also invests into experiences more than material posessions. I'd probably be the same, if I was alone.

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blisstwins · 18/08/2023 14:13

I think marriages have been built on a lot less than shared culture and genuine friendship. I have a very hard time being sexual with someone I am not interested in, but if you are having sex with him and it is ok then I winks not rule out marriage. Your plan of his living locally and a slow introduction makes sense. You know him, have been in a relationship. And absolute worst Case you cancel the engagement or divorce if things don’t work. It’s not the end of the world. I would just keep my eyes open. You say it is for security but you actually speak with more affection for him than many do about their spouses/partners.

foolsgolddigger · 18/08/2023 14:14

Maryjaneslastdance · 18/08/2023 14:11

So you're having sex with him even though you're not attracted to him. If you do move him in, do you realise how bad a example you will be setting to your dc?

I am probably very old-fashioned, but I don't expect to discuss my sex life issues with my children.

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Beezknees · 18/08/2023 14:14

foolsgolddigger · 18/08/2023 14:10

Just my rent is higher than £22K pa, so won't be realistic. But kudos, I don't know how people make it work. I am exhausted all the time, and it feels like, financially speaking, I am trying to sweep away snow in a blizzard.

Yes, but childcare costs don't last forever so you will have a lot more spare when that ends. And life gets easier as they get older. Mine is 15 and I barely see him nowadays unless he wants money!

Marrying someone you aren't sexually attracted to to make your own life easier is unfair.

FloydPepper · 18/08/2023 14:16

Poor guy. He does nothing for you emotionally, sexually or love wise but he’s a walking wallet and would make financial sense so you can just about bear to let him sleep with you and you’d consider marrying him.

mercenary, horrible, and I hope he clocks on and runs a mile

foolsgolddigger · 18/08/2023 14:16

SunWorshipping · 18/08/2023 14:12

Hmm well it just seems odd. You say he works as a data scientist/in cyber security, I work in a similar field and it is full of neurodiverse people, I'm not personally but most of my colleagues are, could this be a factor here? He struggles to form relationships with the opposite sex, so he's clinging onto an old friendship with you thinking he could just marry you?

No, at least not to a formal diagnosis standard, I'd say he's quite social and outgoing for someone from this field.
He had relationships before, just not something that turned serious or permanent.

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Mummysgogetter · 18/08/2023 14:17

foolsgolddigger · 18/08/2023 14:14

I am probably very old-fashioned, but I don't expect to discuss my sex life issues with my children.

Hahaha @foolsgolddigger I thought the same when I read @Maryjaneslastdance's post 😂

Maryjaneslastdance · 18/08/2023 14:20

foolsgolddigger · 18/08/2023 14:14

I am probably very old-fashioned, but I don't expect to discuss my sex life issues with my children.

I'm not suggesting others In that situation do. Kids see more than we realise sometimes. My best friend is in a similar situation. Now her kids are a little older they are definitely aware their parent relationship is not like their peers. Hence it sends a bad message to them.

EbiRaisukaree · 18/08/2023 14:24

foolsgolddigger · 18/08/2023 12:00

I think he is aware - I never made any promises, or told him I love him. We discussed the situation once and I said that for me it is more of a "friends with benefits" situation, only that the "friendship" component is genuine and a big part of it too. I am not trying to mislead him, but I am probably not 100% honest either. If not for the financial side, I'd prefer to stay put as it is.

He is 100% not after a UK passport, he is not a big fan of the country and his ideal solution would be that we live either back in our home country, or somewhere with a better standard of life. I can't do it for another decade because of the children (the father is British and lives here), so UK it is.

Does he even have the right to come and live and work here? Will he gat a visa without you sponsoring him?

It all sounds completely mad to me. You are more likely than not going to end up making your children’s lives less secure, not more so, by making this relationship into one where you cohabit or marry. There is so much unknown about him at the moment, and you shouldn’t be considering taking any risks with your children’s well-being or happiness.

foolsgolddigger · 18/08/2023 14:30

EbiRaisukaree · 18/08/2023 14:24

Does he even have the right to come and live and work here? Will he gat a visa without you sponsoring him?

It all sounds completely mad to me. You are more likely than not going to end up making your children’s lives less secure, not more so, by making this relationship into one where you cohabit or marry. There is so much unknown about him at the moment, and you shouldn’t be considering taking any risks with your children’s well-being or happiness.

Yes, he can come and work here and the plan of him coming does not rely on my "sponsorship" in any way.

I probably know him reasonably well at this point (as much as you can know another person at all), at least I have little doubt about that he is a genuine and solid guy. This opinion has not changed during 20 years or so that I know him.

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BadNomad · 18/08/2023 14:31

Have you discussed and agreed on what role he will play in your children's lives? Do you know what his approach to parenting is? How much of a say will he have on what is unacceptable behaviour? What are the expectations?

You're thinking about money, but if this man is going to be living with you you should really be thinking about if this man is compatible with your children and your way of parenting.

neverbeenskiing · 18/08/2023 14:35

Marriage isn't just about sex and romance, it's about companionship, shared interests and supporting one another.

Of course there is more to marriage, but that doesn't mean those things aren't important. It's easy to take them for granted, but a quick look on the relationships board will tell you that when sex and romance is lacking in a marriage it can lead to a great deal of frustration and unhappiness. I have friends, family and colleagues who provide companionship and would also support me, practically and emotionally, if I needed it. But sex and romance are the things that seperate my relationship with DH from the other close relationships in my life.

Lots of posters are saying "yeah but love and sexual attraction can fade", and they're right of course. But IME when life is stressful so you're getting on each others nerves it's love that keeps you wanting to be together. It's also a lot easier to forgive the small, petty, day to day irritations that are bound to crop up with you live with someone if you're having good sex with them on a regular basis!

When DH and I get a rare childfree night out together, we have a few glasses of wine and we laugh and flirt with each other and I look at your him and remember what it felt like when we were first together all those years ago, how madly in love we were...and I don't want to strangle him anymore! 🤣 Seriously though, you don't have to feel it all the time but just knowing it was there and that you're still those same people deep down (even if you're bickering about the recycling or stressed about work) that's a big part of what keeps a marriage alive.

Marraige and raising kids isn't easy, even with someone you're in love with. OP, you don't love this man. Even at the beginning stages of a LDR when it should be passionate and romantic the best thing you can say about sex with him is that it's over in seconds! If that's how you feels now how are you going to feel when he's in your space all the time? When you're having to clean up after him? When you're bored of him or you argue? You'll end up hating him.

BruisedPear · 18/08/2023 14:35

I think some people are judging you harshly based on the cultural differences and the fact that they can’t fathom that he prefers living abroad rather than the UK and isn’t using you for a visa.

I would say try it. You never know you may grow to love him it’s pretty common with arranged and cultural marriages. I may also get flamed for this but I truly believe a man should love you more than you love him.

Also OP love yourself a bit more. I’m sure you’re a beautiful intelligent woman and you deserve love and a happy relationship. Try pour into your own cup and work on yourself. Whatever you decide good luck 💐

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