Hannah Ingram-Moore -Victim or Villain?

[MrsImFedUpOfTheWeather]

I'm inclined to think we've been scammed. Am I being unreasonable?

This.

The whole thing stank from the beginning. Who made the decision to inform the media that an old man was marching around his garden with a zimmer frame? Why were the media even interested? Someone in the family clearly had an agenda to be famous by proxy and pushed hard for this nonsense to become “a thing”.

OP you are embarrassing yourself now.

Ah, you are a conspiracy nut job. Now all the vitriol makes sense.

I donated and don’t regret it.

The daughter though has relished the whole thing and has played a game but it’s coming back to bite. If any wrong doing then that needs fully investigated and she should be dealt with accordingly.

I see this as 2 separate things. Tom and the walk that raised millions and the daughter who set up the charity after. The later needs investigated.

I didn't donate to this charity, as I always thought there was something "off" about the whole thing.

If i had, I would have less issue with the money going on staff well-being than equipment, as the government should be using taxes appropriately. Personally I'd rather pay slightly higher taxes than have donate to someone doing a sponsored walk.

I'm pretty sure that at the beginning it was only reported that CT was raising money 'for the NHS' it was only much later, when the runaway train of fundraising became uncontrollable and millions were pouring in that it was announced that the charity to benefit would be NHS Together.

So you can see why some people were confused and thought their donation would go to actually funding the work of the NHS through the pandemic.

The goalposts did change slightly, but only because NHS Together was the only suitable national charity deemed large enough in terms of structure and governance to handle such an insane amount of money.

Weren't they already rich/well off?

An 80k salary for a charity boss is pretty normal.

Was it opportunistic? lots of this stuff is.

You have to separate the two. She was undoubtedly a grifter but I don’t think it’s fair to start attacking the nhs charities that are very clear on their parameters for charitable spend. It is often those extras that make a massive different to the environment for patients and staff. I suspect patient care would actually be significantly better if staff had free tea and coffee and a guaranteed sandwich (and time to eat it) for lunch.

I mean Joe Wicks profited hugely from lockdown. Was it really to help the nation or a way of making money? The workouts were pretty shite & half the time he was out of breath.

Agree with this, I’m afraid. I didn’t see why walking around his garden was such a big deal.

The only positive to me was that other veterans also raised money after being inspired by him

What @Hbh17 said. Sentimental claptrap.

The jaunt on holiday was inexcusable, at a time when many elderly would have wanted an exception to be made so they could be together with family in the UK.

Villain

She's a smug wrong un

But that is nothing to do with Tom, or his daughter. It was always VERY clear that the money was going to NHS Charities Together and you could have googled what that charity was all about in 2 seconds. But you chose not to and just assumed.

And you are STILL confused about the difference between the original NHS Charities fundraising, and then the later foundation established by the family which is entirely separate.

Seems to be an excuse for a thread to bash charities in general, tbh.

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He actually caught Covid in Bedford hospital.

People who are stupid enough to stand on their doorstep and bang pots and pans while forcibly locked on their houses and if those stupid enough for fall for these dodgy people calling themselves fundraisers, they deserve to be scammed.

None of the supposed money has been used for a single medical procedure. All the while this grifting woman has been making a mint off feb back of this so called charity.

OP seems to be making a lot of sense. People who parted with their money now feel a bit stupid.

amp.theguardian.com/world/2020/apr/16/coronavirus-capt-tom-moore-raises-12m-nhs-completes-garden-walk

Right at the start it was billed as being for NHS staff - I thought it was all a bit sickly, but definitely not 'off' at the time. Just in the same attention seeking, maudlin, lauding the posh and the forces way British people lap this stuff up.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-beds-bucks-herts-52213936.amp

Start of the walk - someone told the media. Note the normal clothes

He was 100. How long do you think he realistically had?

I always thought it was odd. It pissed me off at the time that people thought they were donating to the NHS and it would buy ventilators and PPE etc. NHS charities together is still a good cause but people were misled about what exactly they were donating to. The NHS is not a charity.

I felt like he was wheeled out at every possible opportunity to distract us from the shite job the government was doing.

She was one of many people trying to cash in on covid.

This answers exactly what I was coming to ask! He's reported as 'Tom Moore' and 'Mr Moore'. It would have been extraordinary for him to style himself as Captain Moore throughout his life. Whilst I'm sure we're all grateful for his service etc etc., he was a temporary Captain and left the Army post-war to, sensibly, resume civilian life running a concrete factory. Continuing to use Captain in those circumstances would have been.... very odd and it seems he didn't.

So, it was all a confection. And anyone who said 'this is absolutely ridiculous' was virtually dragged to the stocks so if you gave money 🤷🏼‍♀️

Her problem is she wasn't ambitious enough. If only she'd made millions selling faulty PPE to the government at inflated prices, she could have made it to the House of Lords.

Absolutely. I think there are some dodgy things about this situation, like when her father won an award and she called it ‘theirs’ (I think it was his knighthood), it’s just a bit icky. But then, a lot of things during Covid were icky, like clapping for the NHS and such. I get people’s frustration towards Tom’s fundraising but I think that was very indicative of public feeling at the time. If her charity has behaved incorrectly hopefully it will be found by the CC and dealt with.

However I am more fucking angry at how the government ‘spent’ money and how we, the public, are suffering for it now. We should all still be raging about the PPE situation, about how money was wasted, about the despicable behaviour of MPs partying and then fining the peasants £10k for doing the same or going for a walk. And now we’re discussing a recession and part of that is due to Covid catching finances catching up to us (among other things). But I think this lady will bear the brunt of the anger if any wrong doing is found, when most of it should be towards the government.

She had teenage kids so she can't be that old i.assumed captain Tom became a father at a,late age?