Hannah Ingram-Moore -Victim or Villain?

[MrsImFedUpOfTheWeather]

I'm inclined to think we've been scammed. Am I being unreasonable?

FitAt50 · 15/08/2023 21:31

Packageholiday · 15/08/2023 21:25

I can't understand what she's done wrong, I didn't really follow any of it and I read the recent article and still can't understand it

Really. She pays herself 80k a year to run the charity and built herself a swimming pool and spa in the grounds of her mansion and claimed it was an office to run the charity from”

This. Exceeded the planning permission too. It was supposed to be a facility for people to use for therapy. In reality, it was a private facility for the family and much bigger than allowed. The LA has told them it has to be taken down.
Got dubious vibes the very first time I saw her answering for her father on the BBC.

I have no idea. And the news coverage is hard to follow and probably half tosh anyway.

However, I do think that people can be blinkered when it comes to an old man/old woman as they seem to think that they are sweet/good/harmless. Well, newsflash, the people who are mean and dishonest in life - they grow old too and look "sweet".

Any money that anyone gives away - you must be able to afford it and you must accept that you are not going to fully know what happens to it.

I came to find a thread on the latest update and didn't see one - both have been disqualified from charity trustee ship, ahead of the outcome of the investigation.

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/captain-tom-daughter-charity-hannah-ingram-b2573317.html

It feels such a murky story right from the start really - how much was Captain Tom and the collective madness of the nation and leaders seeing some good PR.

I think it’s important to reiterate ( because it is confusing) that the 38m from the original challenge went to the NHS charities as promised and there’s no question over that ( it went direct via just giving). The questions are over the Foundation which was set up after that to continue fundraising and yes, those two are fucking grifters and deserve what they got. At best they are incompetent and lack judgement. At worst they’re dishonest/ fraudulent. I’m reluctant to tar Capt Tom with the same brush because it’s unclear how much of the foundation’s purpose and the obvious conflicts he really understood and he’s not here to defend himself.

@illiterato I know that. But right from the start, I always felt it was a weird story and I disliked the whole pressing the soldier , elderly , etc buttons. I know what happened to the NHS money, I know it went to the NHS charity and not to directly fund scanners etc and I've seen all the surprise from people who donated and didn't realise. I still think it was fishy from the start.

The treat we had from our trust was absolute rubbish (agreed by all our team). I would much rather have seen it invested into something like scanners or given to part of the nhs that urgently needed extra funds. We also had ice creams which although was kind and appreciated, I would still rather have had that money invested into something that could have changed lives. Does anyone know how it was spent across the country generally? Im hoping our trust just got it abit wrong and it was spent on much more worthy things.

It couldn't have gone on scanners or other equipment. That's because of the principle called additionality. It basically means that NHS charities mustn't fund things which the NHS should provide as standard. The reason is to avoid a slippery slope whereby NHS funding can be cut because charities are expected to pick up the slack. NHS charities can fund things which are cutting edge, innovative and really "above and beyond", but they'd typically still want to know that, if proven successful, the Trust would eventually pick up the funding. The other main area where the charities can spend money is on patient experience (including facilities, be it a new building or sprucing up a waiting room) and staff experience. During COVID, there was a general mood that NHS staff needed appreciation and support, so the Captain Tom money was generally directed towards that. I know it seems silly to buy treats for staff when there is lifesaving equipment you need, but nobody was expecting such a huge amount of money to come in this way. That said, it wasn't just treats and ice creams - you can read below the kinds of things some trusts did, such as provide mental health support, and I think some set up COVID specific bereavement counselling.

nhscharitiestogether.co.uk/captain-sir-tom-moores-incredible-legacy/

Thats great, i’ll have a look. I do think our Trust wasted it (but that doesn’t surprise me), but it will be good to read about where it has been spent well 👍🏻

The Ingram-Moores are selling up
[Sans spa facility]