Hannah Ingram-Moore -Victim or Villain?

[MrsImFedUpOfTheWeather]

I'm inclined to think we've been scammed. Am I being unreasonable?

i dont know but i think it was so wrong that they went on that longhaul holiday,
what on earth was that all about

Yes, his Wiki page says he married his second wife in 1968 when he would have been 48, she was 15 years his junior. So his two daughters would have been born around 1970 so will be early 50s now.

Loads of people did. That fucking doctor with the red hair who got wheeled out on Channel 5 and the BBC seemed to be loving her new ‘celebrity’ status, couldn’t stand her and her patients were all saying she had gone AWOL, too busy being famous.

I know people who used the situation via social media and it launched their career, one has ended up on tv. Covid was very beneficial for many people. For others, it was a death sentence.

Absolutely.

This kind of distraction is exactly what suits our apology for a government. “Oh, look over here and be outraged that a charity that raised voluntary donations spent them exactly as planned”. Meanwhile you won’t notice the billions of taxpayers’ money thrown at friends of various cabinet ministers and Tory MPs.

She looks in her early 50s, do you think that is old?

Some people will.take any chance to have a pop at a Harry and Meghan ,this thread has nothing whatsoever to do with them🙄

I can’t speak for all the money obviously, but the trust I used to work for used theirs to employ an occupational psychologist (psychiatrist?) to help support staff in the aftermath of Covid. So some good did come from that money at least. As for her and the whole Captain Tom saga, from the start it felt exploitative of an old man at best, like a massive scam at worst. I hope she has to pay back every penny raised since his initial fundraiser.

Absolutely. I think there are some dodgy things about this situation, like when her father won an award and she called it ‘theirs’ (I think it was his knighthood), it’s just a bit icky. But then, a lot of things during Covid were icky, like clapping for the NHS and such. I get people’s frustration towards Tom’s fundraising but I think that was very indicative of public feeling at the time. If her charity has behaved incorrectly hopefully it will be found by the CC and dealt with.

However I am more fucking angry at how the government ‘spent’ money and how we, the public, are suffering for it now. We should all still be raging about the PPE situation, about how money was wasted, about the despicable behaviour of MPs partying and then fining the peasants £10k for doing the same or going for a walk. And now we’re discussing a recession and part of that is due to Covid catching finances catching up to us (among other things). But I think this lady will bear the brunt of the anger if any wrong doing is found, when most of it should be towards the government.

Agree.

I know people who used the situation via social media and it launched their career, one has ended up on tv. Covid was very beneficial for many people. For others, it was a death sentence.

Yep, I can't be mad at her unless she is found to have done something wrong. Using charity & PR to benefit oneself is completely normal.

I saw this and thought she came across dreadfully. Hadn’t her father recently died at this point too? She was so over the top and clearly loving the limelight. Juxtaposed with the scientists etc who had absolutely earned their right to be sitting in the box and celebrated. It was all so inappropriate and embarrassing to watch.

I wonder who the bigger con artist is?

Hannah Ingram-Moore or @MrsImFedUpOfTheWeather?

@Giveuprobot I've been wondering about the title captain too. It was definitely deliberately done to raise his profile. Linking the fighting spirit of WW2 to our fight against COVID. The British public are suckers for such crap.

I think if anything the daughter demonstrates she is good at her job. No way he would have raised anything like the sums he did without someone, presumably her, organising and pushing the media coverage.

I'm not convinced he was manipulated, he has another daughter who could no doubt have advocated for him if she felt he was being taken advantage of.

we have this in front of the hospital I go to for rheumatology and physio. There was definitely a collective bonkersness around the whole Sir Tom phenomenon, that as one PP says reminds me of the bonkersness after Princess Diana died. I think the latter was some sort of turning point whereby a nation renowned for its buttoned-up, stiff upper lip, morphed into sentimental, nostalgic over-reactors. The Tom Moore was a madness in mad times and is more understandable as people were bored, scared, traumatised and destabilised, and it was something good they could get behind.

Im not sure about Tom Moores motives (good I think and hope) but his daughter sounds an entitled, greedy opportunist.

This x 10000000

The whole thing was nauseating, clapping an old man to walk round his estate to distract us from the billions wasted on crappy PPE which is being burnt for power....it was industrial scale theft.
Wanna make a few hundred million and know a Tory minister? Set up a PPE company and text your Tory mate to go on the fast track list, literally no questions asked. You can then rob the NHS blind, but don't worry, no-one will notice as they're all watching Captain Tom walk around and around....

Off topic, but I was criticised on here the other day for suggesting that Prince William's kids were spoilt for getting the best seats for the finals....like they deserve it. NOT.

Please please can someone explain the Russ Abbott joke to me . And I'm old i should get it but i don't

@pleasehelpwi3 of course they deserve it, they are royalty!

That's fraud isn't it? To take money from a charity?

There are two things that stand out to me. They are 'economical' with the truth in some areas of their lives (not to do with Cpt Tom.)

1 Her H's business is managing property developments and projects. He promotes his business as 'being able to push through planning applications' where they are difficult.

So it comes as no surprise that he's applied this to his own house and the building of a swimming pool etc for another use than originally stated.

2 She has recently set herself up as a life coach. Her 'experience' which she builds her profile on, is mainly her H's company, and some former PR work for other companies. Her experience looks rather inflated, to put it kindly.

She also refers to herself as an 'accredited coach' but she doesn't appear to have any formal training or belong to an accredited professional body (available for qualified coaches)

Now, anyone can call themselves a coach. It's unregulated, but there are a couple of established professional associations which set minimum standards and have a code of ethics. But to be accepted , coaches need 100s of hours of recorded experience and a verified form of training.

Make of that what you will.

Total grifter.

you may well feel the well-being of the staff is on the NHS, but the fact of the matter is left to the NHS fuck all would be done.
Charitable funds cannot purchase needed medical equipment, beds (where are they going and who is staffing them?) or respirators. That’s the NHS’s job. If charities start to do that then the government has to do even less.
You’ve had plenty of explanations but seem determined to focus on tampons and cake!
Food was provided to staff because they couldn’t leave wards. They couldn’t sit in staff rooms to eat. Barely took breaks. Food provided by charitable funding kept them fed and like someone else has said, meant they could work a bit longer. I’m not sure you want to understand though.

I know a few well off people who live in big houses and send their DC to private schools. Some of them have a massive sense of entitlement, and think they deserve to be rich, above the law, and rules don't apply to them as they are smarter than the plebs around them.

I don't think she is an intentional fraudster. I think she has a massive sense of entitlement and lives in la la land and thinks what she has done is fitting with her standing in the community.

It highlights the huge issue with Charity regulation in this country. As a trustee of a small charity it is a hugely bureaucratic exercise but it seems there is little in the way of actually regulating whether charities are actually being set up for charitable purposes and how to deal with charities that run limited companies on the side either directly or through trustees. Too many charities seem to just be vehicles for grifters yet small charities like mine (that provide music opportunities for disadvantages children) are drowning in paperwork. As long as you get the paperwork in it seems they don't really care if you are behaving morally and ethically.

This.