Hannah Ingram-Moore -Victim or Villain?

[MrsImFedUpOfTheWeather]

I'm inclined to think we've been scammed. Am I being unreasonable?

That’s taken a long time. The Trust I worked for did that in 2005 - it somehow managed to be in financial difficulties during the milk and honey years.

We would settle for a couple of GOOD staplers that work rather than the 57 crappy cheapo ones that don't scattered around the office to be fair.

Absolutely agree with this. Couldn’t have said it better myself. Well put!

Does anyone know where the raised money has gone?

How do you find out?

Agreed. She was by no means the only one. But that doesn't make what she did any more acceptable.

The fact lots of people behaved awfully and profiteered is horrifying.

This is the gift that keeps on giving. Russell grant is an astrologer!

Printing? You still have printers? We've been paper free for years!!

Hahaha. He is! I didn’t even twig that the poster had written astronomer 😂

The money raised initially, the £38-39m, went to the NHS Charities Together charity and has been distributed to support staff wellbeing and hospital experience. This is where donors were told it would be going at the time. The charity has impact reports that set out where that went, and this thread has LOTS of opinions on it which I won't get into, but to say I support NHS Charities Together.

The bigger issue is money that people have donated to The Captain Tom Foundation, which is the one under investigation. They also have a page on their impact, talking about the grants they gave and what they delivered.

If you dig a little deeper, you'll see that they made around £1.1m in income in their first year and gave out grants of £40k each to 4 charities. They spend an additional £240k on generating their income, setting up and running the organisation. There's a lot of money sat in their account, unable to be moved or added to whilst they are under investigation.

And mugs some colleagues were obsessed with having their own mug ..

This will be unpopular, but I feel the same way about this whole thing as I diabolo Deborah James. Their privilege made them the palatable face of things we'd find unsavoury in people with less privilege- death, ageing, cancer... They were lauded by the media because they had the education, privilege, connections, and whiteness to enable them to make the most of their situations. Let's not pretend that a Tom Moore on a council estate or a less polished and pretty Deborah James would have had similar opportunities -more likely they would have been ignored at best or hauled over the very worst of the "Great" British press.

Oh yes, the "public sector white" paper that is actually yellowish-grey.

Absolute scammer out for what she can get.

Do you all remember her standing and waving to the crowds at Wimbledon? Made me want to vomit.

Agree but again it will be tantamount to treason to say this.

Hmmm, I don't think it's reason to say that about Deborah James, but I'm not sure I agree. And I have very much agreed about Tom Moore, I loathe media do-good bandwagons, I prefer to think for myself and make my own choices about charity donations.

On the one hand I agree that if she had been less polished she wouldn't have got the profile. I'm not sure she should have been made a dame. I think it's a shame she couldn't show the grim side of cancer alongside the glamorous.

But in the other hand, I do think she raised important conversations and much as the media hype was over blown I don't think the background is really comparable.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-beds-bucks-herts-52757533

Does anyone remember this guy? I have never heard of him until today. I don't recall seeing him in the media at all.

I guess too that Speedo Mick won't get the same coverage.

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/charity-fundraiser-speedo-mick-scales-28976045

Yes I do

I also disagree about Deborah James. She rose to the challenge of her illness and beyond. She already had a platform and used it amazingly well. Of course someone no-one knew and wasn't pretty and glamorous wouldn't have got coverage, but that's most people in TV. I think she also banded together with others (her two radio co-hosts) and created solidarity as well as awareness. I don't think many people could be handed that, even with her existing privilege, and made it what she did.

I don't put her at all in the same category.

My unit got 2 high quality ultrasound scanning machines (costing tens of thousands) for our clinic from the Tom Moore fund.

It was very clear at the time it was NHS Charities Together and helping to support staff wellbeing, because I remember that being reported by a major news outlet (BBC).

@MrsImFedUpOfTheWeather it was very clear that core NHS equipment is funded through the taxpayer. The money raised for NHS Charities Together was to support NHS staff and users in other ways. It's your responsibility to look at what you're donating money for.

I think it was made clear that the money was to provide facilities to make NHS staff lives a bit more comfortable, not for direct NHS funding.

I am on holiday. Was there a documentary about the family last night? Did anyone watch?

Apparently she was on TalkTV with Piers Morgan.

Attempting to justify her hanging on to £800k from book sales - it was what he wanted, apparently!

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-beds-bucks-herts-67086802

Scam artist and Britain fell for it.