Gross negligence? Knowingly placing an individual with TB on a barge intended for 500?

[Nevermay]

or sending anyone onto the barge at all, when it was known the water supply was contaminated with legionnaires disease?

Gross negligence? Reckless endangerment?

Any individual who contributed to the situation, placing asylum seekers on the barge while knowing either that one had TB, or that the water supply was unsafe needs to be taken to court and charged, who ever they are.

surely?

@JanieEyre So how can a UK 'efficient immigration situation' deal with this;

https://www.thenews.com.pk/latest/739454-pakistan-refused-to-accept-flight-carrying-nearly-three-dozen-deportees-from-uk

It's politics straight out of Trump's book of whatthefuckery techniques. It doesn't matter that it's a total shit show, it's keeping the dog bait subject of migrants in the public eye and as far as the Torys are concerned that's a vote winner ! Distraction techniques whilst they asset strip Britain and strip the populace of their rights.

how many times! It comes from the water supply! This is a UK water supply! This is where it came from. People don't spread it, water does! What is so hard to understand about that?

From CDC
After Legionella grows and multiplies in a building water system, water containing Legionella can spread in droplets small enough for people to breathe in. People can get Legionnaires’ disease or Pontiac fever when they breathe in small droplets of water in the air that contain the bacteria.
Less commonly, people can get sick by aspiration of drinking water containing Legionella. This happens when water accidently goes into the lungs while drinking. People at increased risk of aspiration include those with swallowing difficulties.
In general, people do not spread Legionnaires’ disease and Pontiac fever to other people. However, this may be possible under rare circumstances.

yes, it can happen bit it is extremely rare, I don't know what the point of this is, people are trying to claim that the asylum seekers are in danger of legionnaire's disease from each other, and they only have themselves to blame because of the country they come from, or whatever.

The asylum seekers were placed in danger of legionnaire's disease because they were placed on a barge where the water supply was KNOWN to be contaminated

Nothing to do with who they are or where they were from - the danger they were placed in was entirely British

and deliberate

and needs to be investigated by the police, and appropriate charges brought

nobody should be getting away with behaviour like this

It's politics straight out of Trump's book of whatthefuckery techniques.

Complete with plans to build a wall across the channel just as soon as a Tory crony can be found to do it.

It just won't happen - like prosecuting Tony Blair for War Crimes

My limited understanding from some doctor chums is that it takes a while to get legionella established. Like making vinegar it's harder than you'd think.

Labour will continue to use accommodation like the Migrant Barge

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2023/aug/06/labour-would-barges-temporarily-house-asylum-seekers-stephen-kinnock

And the UK being told to wise up by the. Thank goodness we hold all the cars and can show them who's boss eh ?

The only incentive for the EU to help the UK is if there is something in it for the EU (fancy). And they twigged long ago that helping Rish! and helping the UK are not the same thing. In fact there are some who might say they are mutually exclusive.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/rishi-sunak-emmanuel-macron-brussels-france-channel-b2393038.html

And they twigged long ago that helping Rish! and helping the UK are not the same thing. In fact there are some who might say they are mutually exclusive.

This.

Why do we need the French to do a job when we took back control of borders with Brexit?

You seem to have made an error in replying to me rather than the poster who said Germany's economy was booming.

In what way is the climate problematic in France and Germany?

I guess though the problematic climate is why no one ever goes on holiday to them.

No, they should go to Antarctica, loads of space there.

One of the things that Labour have the opportunity to change is the mood music in a whole number of areas. One of the most obvious being in relationships with the EU. By being respectful of our nearest neighbours and biggest trading partners, one is much more likely to secure what we want, than the cost making them the enemy.

I honestly don't know why Suella hasn't gone down this route 🤔

It's grimly amusing reading the increasing hysterics (and lack of self awareness) from some corners of the media over the lack of interest in the EU about helping out the UK.

I particularly like the ones about the UKs "pleas" being rebuffed. Not quite sure that's the language a country that holds all the cards would be using.

Me neither, she could play a blinder there is she wanted.

whoops - 'if' not 'is' - laughing too much to hit the right keys !

Oh wah
I was on a plane with a passenger that had TB. Shit happens. You get exposed to sick people up until they are tagged and removed. All of us on the plane with this TB person had to be given super strength antibiotics. Job done.

Legionnaires disease comes from water stagnating in water pipes and systems and can happen anywhere. I had it in a rental property that I moved into with a 2yo and a 4yo big whoop. All that happened what the landlord had plumbers come dump some chemicals to flush through the system to clean it out.

It’s not ideal but the idea that a refugee has TB or a barge that hasn’t housed people might have a bit of legionnaires in the pipes is not a big deal or uncommon. Let’s unscrew from the ceiling and just deal with it.

This Govt has no intention of dealing with the immigration issue.

They want us to hear big ideas that will stick in the mind - Rwanda (currently dealt with 0 people) and the barge (dealing with 500 of 90,000 applications) - but are purposefully making waiting lists for processing as long as possible.

They want to make immigration untenable and overwhelming certain areas in order to stoke culture wars so they can then attempt to win the election by being "anti immigration". Without doing anything useful whatsoever.

It's purely for their own political gain and in the meantime, both the immigrants and those living around the crowded hotels and overwhelmed town centres can rot.

Nothing to do with who they are or where they were from - the danger they were placed in was entirely British
and deliberate
and needs to be investigated by the police, and appropriate charges brought
nobody should be getting away with behaviour like this

This such an over reaction. Tons of U.K. properties have issues with legionella. It’s not rare at all. It’s getting sick from it that is what is rare. It wasn’t deliberate either…once the tests came back positive, they moved the people off the barge that way more than what LLs all up and down the country do for their tenants or home owners for that matter. Most LLs do not even text for legionella that’s how bad our private and social rental home stock is.

Paying tenants are just told to boil water to brush teeth and don’t take showers until the plumbing system can be flushed through with hot enough water and some chemicals and the legionella killed off. They’re not evacuated.

Let's look out for photo opps in the DM any day now of her showing what good conditions people can live in around the ice bergs

SerendipityJane
And the UK being told to wise up by the [EU]

It doesn't sound as though they did say that - from your link;

But an EU Commission spokesperson rubbished reports on Tuesday as “not correct”...
the EU has denied the reports. A spokesperson said: “The report is not correct, [Mr Seibert] never said that. It was an internal meeting and I checked directly with the source and he never said that.”

It's grimly amusing reading the increasing hysterics (and lack of self awareness) from some corners of the media over the lack of interest in the EU about helping out the UK.

A returns agreement with the EU would likely be a repeat of the last one - the UK was a net importer of 'returned' asylum seekers in the years leading up to Brexit.

The number of asylum seekers 'returned' (in either direction) under Dublin was usually less than 1,000 people in any case. Dublin agreement cases decide which country deals with the asylum application, not the application itself.

jgw1
One of the things that Labour have the opportunity to change is the mood music in a whole number of areas.

Perhaps Labour are planning to accept all the would-be boat arrivals via a 'returns' deal from the EU but only 'return' a tiny number the other way? The next time a Labour spokesperson talks about 'returns' ask them which direction they are talking about. As far as I can tell, the term applies to both directions - even if the asylum seeker hasn't (yet) set foot in the UK.